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Tigers Destroy Jackets, 56-37

After early season losses to the College of Charleston, Coastal Carolina, Sakerlina, UTEP, and Hawaii, no way no how did I think this team was capable of blowing out ACC opponents on the road by 19 points or more. And to do it twice simply speaks volumes about how far this team has come since November and December. Yes, these blowout wins were against the dregs of the conference, but this team, just like last year's squad, has seen marked improvement as the season has progressed.

After struggling against the non-conference slate, this team was a lot more competitive in early ACC games. But, other than a blowout win over Florida State, all we did was beat Georgia Tech and Wake at home and lose close games to everyone else.

But in the past week and a half, this team has seen marked improvement. The Tigers have now won 3 of their last 4, with the lone loss coming in Chapel Hill. Sitting at 6-7, the Tigers have a realistic shot at finishing the season with a .500 record in league play. After the losses to inferior in-state foes, as well as the losses in the Christmas tournament, did any of us really think this team had a shot at winning eight games in conference? Props to Brownell on again getting the most out of his guys. Now we just have to finish the job and hold serve at home against NC State and Virginia Tech.

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In the game between these two teams at Clemson, Tech committed 15 1st half turnovers. What did they do as an encore tonight? 12 first half turnovers. So that means they're improving, right? Yes, Georgia Tech really is that bad. They turned it over 18 times, shot just 31.3% from the field, went 4-11 at the charity stripe, and they finished the game with just 37 points. Let me repeat that. They only managed to score 37 points. Only 4 of their players scored at all. Yes, part of that was due to our defense.

But I think when a team loses a heartbreaker the way this Tech team did at Blacksburg on Saturday, it can be really hard to bounce back. Throw in the fact that one of their best players is suspended from the game, and things get even trickier. Combine that with the fact that Georgia Tech already sucked anyways, and you've got a recipe for disaster.

ggggmen08 said before the game that if Tanner Smith, Andre Young, and Devin Booker all had great performances, then we would be able to blow out the Jackets. Devin might as well have been asleep in the first half he played so badly. Yet we were able to go into the half with a dominant 11 point lead. So how'd we do it? I agree that for us to win, we need big games out of Tanner and Andre as well as a big game from one of our post players. The difference in this game was which post player. The difference in the paint for us came not from Devin, but instead from Milton Jennings. He led us with 13 points in the first half and gave us the inside presence that we needed to complement the backcourt play of Tanner and Andre. He didn't look good in the 2nd half (just 2 points), and he committed way too many fouls (4), but he looked better tonight than he looked earlier in the season. I think his improved play can be traced back to his suspension. He seems to be playing better since his return to the lineup, although, yes, he still has a long ways to go.

What happened to Booker? Just when I was ready to heap praises on him for his improved play of late, he goes out and lays an egg. He missed a couple of shots in the early going, and after that he appeared to just give up, and he bottomed out with an airball on a mid-range jumper late in the opening half. He did came out fast and furious in the 2nd half, scoring just 14 seconds in and finishing with 8 points. But that doesn't make up for the zero effort he gave in the 1st half. He did the same thing against Virginia: 0 points in the first half but a lot of points in the 2nd. It's troubling to see him just give up after a couple of early misses. If he could just keep going after it and playing hard, even when his shot wasn't falling, he could become a dominating force like his brother. But will we ever see it?

Tanner and Andre didn't score as many points as usual, but they did combine for 10 assists (6 for Tanner!). Tanner's assist spree was highlighted by a pair of excellent passes in the opening minute of the 2nd half. On both plays, he stood at the 3-point line and zipped a pass into the paint to a wide open teammate who got the easy finish.

It was great to see another double digit performance out of KJ. Yeah, most of his points came in garbage time, but after seeing him with such a low profile in every game since his breakout in Blacksburg, his performance, even though it mostly came in garbage time, was reassuring and once again showed that he's gonna be a force to be reckoned with in the years to come.

I've talked to a couple of people that pretty much gave up on this team after the 3 game losing streak (UVA, VT, Maryland), but I think this team has done more than enough to earn some support after the last 4 games. I have no idea how many students read this site, but for any students out there reading this right now, please, for the love of God, go out and support this team. There were only about 300 or 400 students at the Maryland and Virginia games. It's just sad. There's just two home games left: the 100th year celebration Saturday against NC State (tips at 2:30) and Senior Night the following Thursday (tips at 9). I'd love to see more than 30 people there. Brownell and the guys would probably appreciate it too.

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If only I was still at Clemson, I'd go to every home game.

This team is starting to remind me of last year. Slow start, but ends up being competitive in conference play. Hopefully we make a splash at the NIT to give these freshman all the experience they can get.

In my opinion, Brownell is the type of coach Clemson needs, but things won’t change until we get better recruits. The only way to compete with the big time basketball recruits is to make our facilities better and sell it like we do our football program…I may be mistaken but I believe we are adding some basketball facilities.

I’m happy with being middle of the road in the ACC with our talent (even though it was really down this year), but really look forward to getting higher rated recruits.

by Saber8689 on Feb 21, 2012 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

Booker struggled with Miller's length

You could see him thinking out there trying to figure out how to score in that guy.

by ggggmen08 on Feb 22, 2012 6:39 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

I liked seeing Bobo out there disrupting shots

if he only had a few posts moves then he could be an even larger asset to our team

by D'Arve21 on Feb 22, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I live in Atlanta and finally got an opportunity to watch us play. Our defense was stifling and we did a better than usual job of feeding the ball to the bigs under the hoop, which was fun to watch.

I don’t know if this is the “distraction” Brownell refers to with Jennings, but Jennings was mouthing off to the refs basically the whole game, and was visibly a rollercoaster of emotions throughout the game. At one point he probably should have received a technical for swatting a ball away from the hoop after the whistle was blown. Why can’t he just play the game for the whole game and stfu?

Booker plays like he doesn’t give a fuck. Lazy passes, doesn’t fight for position under the hoop. But at least he didn’t chuck up a bunch of three point attempts last night.

by flacct on Feb 22, 2012 7:38 AM EST reply actions  

Jennings biggest problem is his lack of control over his emotions

when things start to go wrong you can see in his eyes that he starts to think too much instead of just playing through it and he makes mental errors.

by D'Arve21 on Feb 22, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

A good win, and good game for our Tigers

Hopefully the boys got used to playing in that arena. We’ll be back there in two weeks.

Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano

by AParker on Feb 22, 2012 8:42 AM EST reply actions  

So what do we need to do to get into the NIT?

I would love to see us get to .500 in the ACC and 20 wins on the season, but I think the 20 wins may be asking too much.

The other question I have is if this team will be able to finish strong and then pick up where it left off next season. It seemed as though we had some good momentum at the end of last season, but none of that carried over. Granted we lost some really good players from last year’s team, but we are bringing back a lot of guys next season, and adding what is supposed to be a better class then the one we just signed.

"Clemson is coming!" - Stephone Anthony

by Tigerplowboy on Feb 22, 2012 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

On the bubble for the NIT. Will need to do well over the course of the last games of this season

And then play miracle ball in the ACC tourney. With this coaching staff I wouldn’t count them out, but much more is required from the players if they are too get there.

Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano

by AParker on Feb 22, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

momentum for next year

Next season may look a lot like this one. This year we struggled with dealing with the losses of our two best players in Stitt and Jerai. Next year we will have the same exact problem, as we will have to deal with the losses of our two best players in Andre and Tanner.

by F1NS on Feb 22, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep - My thoughts exactly

This is a nice little run we’re on, but I wouldn’t get expectations too high for the early part of next season. Young and Smith have been our two best players all year. I think McDaniel can fill Smith’s role, but I’m still not sure who is gonna fill in for Andre’s production.

by ggggmen08 on Feb 22, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

We might see

Coleman or Flier (incoming freshman) running the point from the start next year. Andre is a great shooter, but I don’t think he’s the best point guard, so I imagine we’ll go back to having one pure shooting guard replacing tanner, and somewhat more of a pure point guard in Andre’s position, rather than a converted shooting guard.

by PenthouseTiger on Feb 22, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Coleman is definitely not a PG. He is a 2-guard all the way. I wouldn’t even use him at the point in a pinch.

Filer is a combo guard also, not a true point. He has a scoring mindset.

by ggggmen08 on Feb 22, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't we use Coleman as a PG some early in the season?

Maybe I just thought he was more of a PG because he can’t shoot.

by PenthouseTiger on Feb 22, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't recall him running the point

but he doesn’t have the handle to be a point guard (dominant left hand) and hasn’t shown me anything in the way way of court awareness/court vision to be able to handle the job.

He’s just a decent sized 2-guard that can slash. He doesn’t handle it very well and he isn’t a good shooter.

by ggggmen08 on Feb 22, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Hall as PG

I thought Hall would replace Young next year as the PG. I know he had some turnover problems during the season but still showed some improvement.

by Cutiger3 on Feb 22, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking Hall at PG too, unless one of next year’s freshman take on the role

by F1NS on Feb 22, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably will be the case

but he hasn’t shown that “it” quality that you’d like to see in a PG. He is a good defender, but he doesn’t have an outside shot and isn’t a wizard of a passer. Best case scenario is that he ends up being like Jontel Evans for UVA. Excellent defender that can score on drives but can’t shoot.

by ggggmen08 on Feb 22, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

GGGGmen has been saying this for a while, but...

Seriously.. why is Narcisse getting 15 min a game? That is a waste of minutes. no pts, no rebounds, nothing…

Seriously.. why is Narcisse getting 15 min a game? That is a waste of minutes. no pts, no rebounds, nothing…Splits those minutes between KJ and Sullivan.

Seriously.. why is Narcisse getting 15 min a game? That is a waste of minutes. no pts, no rebounds, nothing…Splits those minutes between KJ and Sullivan.Narcisse is likely going to only play 4-5 more games in his clemson career. He isnt goint to get any better.. and we dont need him to. KJ and Sullivan have 100 or so more to play.

by sedge94 on Feb 22, 2012 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

+1000

And thank you for stating it so many times, because it needs to be said. It makes no sense to keep giving a guy minutes that gives ABSOLUTELY ZERO production instead of freshmen that produce much more and will be here for 3 more years.

KJ McDaniels has the 3rd highest offensive rating on the team (Behind Young and Smith). Give the kid more freakin’ minutes.

by ggggmen08 on Feb 22, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Despite my comment below

I completely agree with you on KJ. I think he must still be having ankle problems or something, I know he had some sort of sprain earlier in the season.

by PenthouseTiger on Feb 22, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Several reasons

He’s one of our better FT shooters, he plays with an energy that can ignite his teammates, and he’s stifling on defense (even though it doesn’t show up in his block/steal stats). He started the MD game specifically to guard Stoglin, and was doing a very good job of it until he got into foul trouble.

I’m not sure he deserves the minutes he’s getting, but I think he contributes more than people give him credit for.

by PenthouseTiger on Feb 22, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pushing for KJ to take over more of his minutes, and here is my reasoning

The first thing is that “igniting temmates” is very subjective. But if you want to look at that, I’d say that KJ McDaniels’ dunks, blocks, etc bring more excitement than anything Narcisse is doing.

Offensive Rating
McDaniel – 105.5
Narcisse – 98.0

Effective FG%
McDaniel – 50
Narcisse – 42

FT%
McDaniel – 58%
Narcisse – 71%

*Note – Narcisse is getting to the line less than 1 time per game, so this stat is moot

Turnover Pct
McDaniel – 12.6
Narcisse – 17.2

Fouls per game
McDaniel – 0.8
Narcisse – 2.1

Offensive Rebound Pct
McDaniel – 11
Narcisse – 7

Block Pct
McDaniel – 7.8
Narcisse – 4.0

McDaniel is a better player in almost every statistical category. He shoots better, rebounds better, blocks more shots, and commits less fouls. There really isn’t anyway to argue that Narcisse is a better basketball player than McDaniel. Add to the fact that we could potentially prepping McDaniel to be The Man in the future, whereas Narcisse is gone in a couple of games…It blows my mind.

by ggggmen08 on Feb 22, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

b-nice and KJ

thanks for the stats, gmen
I’m with you-I think that KJ should get the start over bryan. But Penthouse Tiger, I agree with you too, I think B-Nice’s play on defense is a bit under appreciated. I think that we could be a little bit better if KJ started instead of B-Nice, but its looking like Brownell has settled on the current starting five (started the last 4 games together).

I think one of the keys in the argument here is Brownell’s defensive philosophy. He simply values defense more than most guys would, and it shows when we limit a team to just 37 points. Everyone (myself included) get really jacked up every time we see KJ dunk the ball, and while the kid can elevate and is a much, much, much better offensive player than B-Nice, I think the reason Bryan gets the start all starts with Brownell’s defensive philosophy.

by F1NS on Feb 22, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks, guess I just should’ve waited five more minutes before I posted below

by TheKraken on Feb 22, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

A couple questions for you ggg..

Do they have “Opp FG percentage” done individually? Do you have defensive rebounding percentage? Does anyone keep track of the score difference when a certain player is on the court?

I would have to assume that most of these numbers would also suggest that most of the NBA was better than Dennis Rodman, Ben Wallace, or Bruce Bowen.

I understand that we need an offensive injection and to develop young guys right now. But, could this simply be a situation where Brownell feels like Narcisse makes his defense work better than KJ? Could KJ not have a big enough offensive advantage right now to offset Narcisse on D? I don’t get it either but I believe Brownell knows what he’s doing and there must be a reason for this.

by TheKraken on Feb 22, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

They do have plus/minus stats, but they are skewed because they don’t take into account who you are playing with. Narcisse plays with the starting unit, whereas McDaniel gets time with the 1st string, but also plays a good amount with the other freshmen. That’s why I left that stat out.

I haven’t seen opponent FG% broken down by an individual defensive player, but I will definitely look for that.

I think Narcisse is a better on-ball defender than McDaniel, but I think McDaniel is a better help-side defender. I believe Brownell starts Narcisse because he trusts him defensively and can put him on the other teams top player. He’s a versatile defender. I understand why he does it, I just don’t agree with his decision. And I come from a defensive mindset and always prided myself on guarding the opposing teams top player.

A few more stats:

Defensive Rebound %
McDaniel – 9.3
Narcisse – 11.8

Points per game averaged over 40 minutes
McDaniel – 15
Narcisse – 7.5

by ggggmen08 on Feb 22, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I trust Brownell to play the right guys.

I would imagine that freshmen have a hard time learning the importance of playing defense, so Brownell probably tells them that if you don’t play defense, then you don’t play. Also, if Clemson will always have to play great defense in order to be successful, because we are just not going to get the guys who can score at will, or at least not on a regular basis.

"Clemson is coming!" - Stephone Anthony

by Tigerplowboy on Feb 22, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it says more about the state of GT basketball being poor

than Clemson improving a lot. Granted, they have improved some but not that much. GT was down to only 5 or 6 scholarship players, and their best one, Glen Rice Jr was out.

But I have to give them some respect, after watching them in the non-conference season, I didnt think they’d win 3 or 4 conference games all year. but they’ve surpassed that so kudos to them. It’d be nice to see them get hot and make a run right now, but I dont think they have the consistency to stay hot over a period of several games. This team relies too much on jumpshooting and there isnt any good ones on the entire team. Andre Young is the best jump shooter we have, and he’s easily taken out of his game since he’s so short. Tanner has weird games where he’ll go 6-6 but follow it up the next game with a 1-8 effort. But they all play hard the entire game which I love. Just wish there was more talent on the roster for Brownell to work with. He’s really working with almost nothing at all.

by IhateUSuC on Feb 22, 2012 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

I keep saying it but of we had just one true shooter that can make his own shot, then we would have won more games. Our D keeps us in games but without “That guy” we still looks disjointed on D and seem to pass around the perimeter until someone decies to finally attack the basket. Booker doens’t need to have anything else said about him and Jennings just needs to learn to develop some mental fortitude, he gets mentally taken out of the game far too easily and it affects his play.

by D'Arve21 on Feb 22, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

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