2012 Recruiting...Did We Fill Our Needs?
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What is important, far more than some stupid star ratings and Rivals/Scout/ESPN rankings, is whether the signing class fills the needs of the program. Just signing 5-star backs every year doesn't equate to wins if you don't have 5 good OL up front with backups that can play in case of injury. It doesnt matter to put up 40 points if you give up 42. Below we'll look over the depth charts and give our thoughts as to whether the class really is good for Clemson.
DE - Gone are Andre Branch and Kourtnei Brown, one starter and another seasoned backup. Malliciah Goodman returns on the strongside but is not a good pass rusher. Corey Crawford is likely to step right in as the starter on the weakside, and I'm confident he can become a good pass rusher. The questions are on the backups at each spot. Tavaris Barnes never got any PT at the 3-technique last year, partly due to the lack of mass, so it is possible he moves back outside. Kevin Dodd is coming in from Hargrave as a 3-technique, but could help out as a SDE. Rod Byers took a RS and could start out at DE but seems an eventual DT. Vic Beasley shuffled from TE-LB-Bandit and couldn't get on the field the last couple years. A year of weight gains would be great for him to play as Crawford's backup. Goodman will be gone in a year, so you need to replace the two losses and plan to take another with lead time of a year, and possibly RS some of them. Newcomers Martin Aiken and Shaq Lawson fill those needs, but we'll probably be forced to play at least one of them. We're decent with numbers here, but it would be preferable to have another that we know can play without needing freshmen to play. What we believe Clemson missed out on, again, is the elite DE prospect who could provide immediate help in the pass rush. I would've liked to have another quality DE even if he wasn't the elite one.
DT - Clemson loses NG Brandon Thompson and 3-DT Rennie Moore. Both are starters. From the play this season, it was obvious that we don't have an heir apparent for BT just yet, and we need better gap control from the 3 in the run game. Tyler Shatley often played most as the NG backup, but is not a talented player, and will get a shot at OG in Spring. The rest of this bunch is young. DeShawn Williams looks like he could be slotted at NG or the 3, and Grady Jarrett is a NG all the way. I think both can be good players down the road. Tavaris Barnes is a 3-technique pass rushing type but never got on the field. Jerome Maybank comes off a RS and is a definite NG unless he plays OG. Rod Byers seems an eventual 3. Tra Thomas (NG) and Josh Watson (3) have been passed by youngsters and may just be role players, or may leave. We needed a high-level talent at DT, not bodies. Clemson got one in 3-DT Carlos Watkins. Clemson also added NG D.J. Reader, 3-DT Josh Brown, and 3-DT Kevin Dodd. I think the coaches foresee some attrition at this position and filled the needs with good lead time. We actually have too many tackles so moving the tweeners inside and out next month should be expected.
LB - Daniel Andrews is leaving. Clemson really does not need a LB from a numbers perspective, especially when only 3-5 ever played. However it is nice to have up to 12 in a 4-3 defense. Venables' scheme is the 4-3 Over which uses a different WILL and SAM prototype than the previous scheme (and more specifically the SAM), but in much the same fashion as Steele's, he goes to 4-2-5 often and that muddles it a bit. Everyone who played returns but we could cherry-pick since Willard and Hawkins will go after '12. We signed T.J. Burrell, who I would say is better suited to a SS that drops down often instead of a full-time WLB. Clemson lost one, gained one, and isn't in big trouble beyond without major attrition losses. We need to develop what we've got.
DB - Coty Sensabaugh leaves and so goes our best cover corner in the 2nd half of the season. Desmond Brown left earlier this season, Carlton Lewis has left the team and Spencer Adams went off to track-only. Walk-On Kantrell Brown was primarily a ST player and got a scholarship so we would remain at 85. Thats 3 safeties and a CB to worry about. I think its clear that we do need another good cover corner opposite Bashaud Breeland. Meeks, Hall, and Brewer will all likely start again as seniors. Martin Jenkins will stay in the slot/nickel, and Darius Robinson will get plenty of PT again outside. Cortez Davis needs to slide in behind Rashard Hall, as could Garry Peters. Robert Smith should remain backup SS initially, but I think we need that definite SS-type that likes to hit (could be Burrell too). Clemson signed Geohaghan, Blanks, Tankersley, and Williams. Blanks will start out at CB, as promised. We can RS some of the others, but this is a class recruited for a specific body-type that can play either CB or Safety. I think Clemson filled the needs at DB with enough lead time. We just need to develop what we've got.
Offense
QB - Tajh Boyd returns as starter with Cole Stoudt as backup. Tony McNeal and Morgan Roberts come off RS. Clemson signed Chad Kelly, who fits the offensive style. The coaches must foresee some attrition here and we're more than full at QB. We do not need 5 scholarships devoted to a position where rarely more than 2 ever play.
RB - An injury-prone position where you must take one every year. Andre Ellington returns as starter, with D.J. Howard, Rod McDowell, and Mike Bellamy as backups. Demont Buice transferred. What we needed this year was quality depth to rest AE at times. The system needs a better blocker to spell AE and a receiver to really open things up more underneath, especially with Allen leaving. I've given up on Hot Rod, and we don't know with Bellamy's head. Clemson went out and got the better receiver in Zac Brooks, but I feel like we need another between the tackles guy. Clemson is good with numbers here if Bellamy stays, but while AE deserves his 25-30 carries per game, he cannot hold up to 70-80 plays per game again because of poor backup play in blocking.
WR - The most invisible man, Marquan Jones, is gone. Bryce McNeal is gone. Both were slot receivers. Jaron Brown will be a senior. Joe Craig just got kicked. I think we can treat Watkins like a Jr because he wont be here after 2013 unless he has an injury. Nuk is a Junior. Humphries is a slot receiver, while Bryant and Peake are outside guys. Seckinger comes off RS and is either an outside guy or future flexed TE. From a numbers perspective we could take one in the slot and another outside, but it needs to be a high-level talent. We did with Germone Hopper. Clemson is still set at WR barring attrition.
H/TE - Dwayne Allen leaves for the NFL and Sr. Brandon Ford steps up to take his spot. Chad Diehl didn't get the PT he deserved this year, in our opinion, but now he's gone. I still expect Colton Walls to fill his place. Drew Traylor graduates. Sam Cooper got plenty of PT as a line TE last year, and Eric MacLain comes off RS. Darrell Smith is a role player line TE at best. Clemson could take one to fill the spot vacated, or take one and RS him to fill Ford's spot. In truth, this system could use one line TE and a receiving TE and an H-back, but we need one that can do it all. Clemson got a versatile H/TE in Jay Jay McCullough. We may be over in numbers here, but don't be surprised if theres more talk of moving MacLain to OT.
OL - Another injury prone position, and the one where the most overall attrition takes place. You must take 3 or 4 here every year. Clemson loses a lot here and the national media often forgets how important this one is when they do their preseason rankings. Linemen need to play a lot and together to gel. This is the primary reason why I feel 2013 could be a better year for CU. Phil Price, David Smith, Mason Cloy, Landon Walker, and McClain all leave. 4 players who cared and one that didn't. I expect Matt Sanders will not return at this time. I think we planned enough to replace the Guards in previous years, and Kalon Davis, David Beasley, and Reid Webster will fight it out for the two spots. Brandon Thomas could remain inside, but may not be able to because of the OT problems. The only certainty is Freeman at Center. Ryan Norton is probably good enough to challenge for a Guard spot but will back up Freeman if he goes out. Gifford Timothy is a RT and RS Fr. Shaq Anthony an OT for sure. Spencer Region comes off RS and needs to reshape his body to play Guard. Clemson brought in Isaiah Battle at OT, C Jay Guillermo, OT Oliver Jones, and OG Patrick Destefano. All but Battle will RS. 6 players out and 4 in total, plus Joe Gore moved to RT (where we said he should've been) and its possible Shatley gets a shot at Guard. I think the whole group will need to raise their conditioning level, but especially the Guards. Clemson is OK with numbers here, but what we again missed out on is the elite OT to give us real depth at the position. I think Clemson could've done more to address the potentially huge problem. A JUCO to help at RT would've been great.
The Staff has again raised the overall talent level but we have questions in the trenches, where the big games are won and lost.
How do you rate the 2012 class from a NEED perspective?
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Very Good article Dr.B...
I agree with the “stars” being mostly BS. I saw where we have some of these guys that are rated in the top 150 by espnu. How in the heck can you be a top 150 player in the nation and not have 5 stars???
It seems that I’ve read that most of these recruits have been to camp at Clemson (you know more about that than I). Therefore, they have actually been seen and evaluated for the positions in the schemes that Clemson will use, and obviously are the players the coaches wanted. Even with the Venables hire, it seems we will basically run with the same type of basic defense. I have a lot of faith in our line coaches in being able to man these guys up. So I think we have a good class along both lines.
One question…off subject. I keep seeing the backdrop when our coaches are presenting their newscasts. What the hell does FATZ stand for (surely I’m not the only one in America going…“huh???”)? And by the way, does that make anyone else think of Benson’s S&C program?
Oh, and Dr.B….two of those would kill you.
FATZ Cafe
Restaurant chain HQ’d in SC
Open Competiton at 'Backer this summer! ENOUGH with the Incumbents!
by scgreatest803 on Feb 2, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I think we filled the needs from a numbers standpoint, but the real question is if we got the right guys.
Right now, the major concern that I have is that the OL we signed a couple of years ago are not the right guys. I believe Shately will do well at guard, but the fact that he is being moved tells me that the staff does not have a ton of faith in the other guys that were competing for those two spots. My hope is that the competition makes all of them better and that we will finally develop some depth up front so that the same five guys do not have to log 80 snaps a game.
But in reference to your original question, I guess it is safe to assume that STS feels we got most of the right guys, since yall said there were only one or two that you would not have taken. Would have been great to get Bullard or another elite RB, but the staff tried, and those guys went elsewhere.
"Clemson is coming!" - Stephone Anthony
Got in too late with the RBs
and more likely than not, Bullard would have had to got to a prep school if he wanted to come here so him choosing UF isn’t that suprising
I think they quit on the RBs and tried to get in late
Bullard they lost on the official visit, but the RBs I think we really dropped the ball with.
If they’d wanted guys like Gurley or Marshall, they should’ve stayed in contact over the summer instead of really cutting things off.
by DrB on Feb 2, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think the most important thing you said was "we need to develop what we got"
several times. That’s spot on. It seems too many times lately the guys come in and dont get any better. Obviously there’s a few exceptions to that. But for the most part we have not developed players worth a damn lately and that falls squarely on the position coaches and the S&C staff.
Two guys that are the exception to that are Coty and Branch. Coty started the year pretty rough and he got better as it went on. He ended the year being a pretty darn good corner. Just think if he had gotten the right reps in practice a few years ago, he may have blossomed into a potential all-star. And Branch slowly progressed each year, which is what you expect with good coaching and good effort on the player’s end. Each year he was a little better than the year before, until after 5 years he was all conference DE.
We desperately need better player development.
Totally agree.
The thing I do not understand is that it seems that we have a lot of good position coaches. Brooks, Caldwell, Hobby, and Cheeseare all supposed to be really good. Morris is awesome at developing QB’s. We could debate whether Jeff Scott, Elliot, and Pearman are great position coaches, but I think we can agree that WR, RB, and TE were not holding us back this year. So, it seems that the position coaches should not be the weak link in developing players.
JB needs to retire.
"Clemson is coming!" - Stephone Anthony
by Tigerplowboy on Feb 2, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Our player development is so disheartening
To hear Dabo say “This is our first time in 100 years or so with back to back top 10 classes”
Well, ok. But we’ve always recruited well so don’t feed us that line, please! And you don’t need top 10 classes back to back to back to win the ACC, really you don’t. VT, (WAKE FOREST!!!), and GT have all done it. It falls squarely on development. If you have the right player development system in place, you can win the ACC with consistent 12-20 ranked recruiting classes plain and simple.
Open Competiton at 'Backer this summer! ENOUGH with the Incumbents!
by scgreatest803 on Feb 2, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Slightly off topic
But why don’t we look into redshirting at least one of Humphries/Peake/Bryant this year? Why waste a year of eligibility for a 200 snap, 15 catch season? They could do 500 snaps 40 catches in the 14 and 15 seasons once Sammy and Nuke are gone
Have to agree. We completely wasted Martavis Bryant and Charone Peake last year
for the few catches they had, it wasnt worth burning their freshman year over that.
I agree with this, but...
I think with Peake and Bryant coming in with so much hype the coaching staff didn’t want them to get salty and/or consider transferring.
do you live in utah?
There aren’t too many CU fans out here… I have a few friends from SC that watch games with me in Utah valley and you would be welcome
by sradvan on Feb 2, 2012 3:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Overall this is
the kind of class that Clemson must sign to win ACC championships and beat SC.
The staff has built depth on the O&D lines with really big (SEC sized) athletic players
I’d like to see Clemson do well in 2012 but things are really lining up for 2013 to be special.
Needs
I think the staff did a solid job from a Needs perspective. I’d give them a 7/10.
Positives-
Got the future system QB (I hate Kelly sounding off, but I don’t think Stoudt was ever “that guy”). Got a stud DT, would’ve liked more though (For some reason guys want to go to FSU when they could come here and play tomorrow). And a boatload of athletic DB’s to prepare for the fallout from this year’s attrition and the departure of Hall Meeks and Brewer.
Two downgrades
DE-
I like Lawson’s potential, but as you guys stated the miss on Bullard hurt. We could use another star. Goodman could’ve been audititioned at 3DT.
OL-
Not impressed with the OL haul. I think one of these guys is overrated after seeing the UA game, or maybe just not cut out to play Tackle (as you’ve stated before); and we may never see Leamon again.
The DT position concerns me, I foresee Shately moving back over. If not for anything, we will need some type of experienced consistency in the DT group. With that move we have NO ONE with any real playing experience. I hope our LB’s learn how to shed OLinemen this offseason.
Open Competiton at 'Backer this summer! ENOUGH with the Incumbents!
Good analysis. Without top tier linemen (especially OT & DT) I fear Clemson will continue to be the same old fringe Top 25 team.
Clemson has long recruited well and I think Dabo deserves a lot of credit for that (even under Bowden). But Clemson has long been a bit weak on recruiting top tier linemen— especially OLs and specifically OTs. I don’t think yesterday changed that.
But recruiting hasn’t been Clemson’s problem over the latter Bowden years & Swinney years. Even our linemen typically out-star and out-size most of our opponents, but too-often our guys get pushed around or fail to create holes or pressure. The problem has been player development, utilization, consistency, toughness, & attitude.
Rivals class & AP final poll rank:
2011: #8, #22
2010: #19, Unranked
2009: #37, #24
2008: #12, Unranked
2007: #16, #21
2006: #16, Unranked
2005: #17, #21
I think it’s fair to say that Clemson’s staff recruits really well but then underperforms with that player-talent. Hopefully the two new coordinators fix that, but I fear that strength and conditioning may be at the root of the problem— and maybe a soft attitude from the coaches.
Ancient Aliens Vs Soft Players
I’m worried we’re going to start calling our players soft the same way the History channel says there were Ancient Aliens. For example, Who built the pyramids-too advanced for humans-aliens. Noah’s ark-aliens. wind-aliens. Steve Urkel-aliens.
So, next year let’s not blame it all on being soft if a WR drops a pass, or a RB fumbles.
It’s obviously the aliens.
by Lawtonfunk on Feb 2, 2012 1:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Good Analysis
DL- don’t understand what the staff was thinking here. There is a huge number of DTs and SDEs that are more suited to be DTs, but a lack of WDEs. IMO, we need better speed and quickness at DE. Also see where offers are already out to several 2013 DTs. WIll be interesting to see how this plays out in the spring.
LB/DB- would’ve liked to signed another true corner with speed in this class. Venables uses more of a hybrid at one LB spot, so suspect some of the safeties will be moved down. Think numbers are fine, but need to get speed and playmakers on the field.
OL- agree that elite OT or juco would’ve been nice. Also agree that MacLain may get a look at OT. Could be growing pains along the OL in 2012.
Skill- think we are OK here. Kelly is the wildcard- love his skillset, but definitely maturity issues.
staff/coaching changes
STS: do you expect any further changes to the coaching or support staff? There was talk that there would be no further changes till after NSD…
by sradvan on Feb 2, 2012 2:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Chances
of Batson being “reassigned?”
by TigerFan74 on Feb 2, 2012 7:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
RE: MacClain being a tackle
What are your feeling on this? I would love to see it happen, as I don’t really think he’s going to be athletic enough to play TE in our offense, especially with MacCullough coming in. I have heard other sites say that he will not be moved and that he will be an H-back type, but after what happened with Price this season I would not mind another TE moving to LT.
I’m also not convinced that the OL in 2012 may not actually be better than the one we had this past season. Admittedly, cohesiveness is critical, and we won’t have that – at least not early – but I’m pretty confident in Caldwell. Coming into this past season we had absolutely no idea who our LT would be and we were all hoping it wouldn’t be a former walk-on….and that actually worked out really well. I actually expect improved guard play next year, but once again LT is our big question mark. I’m encouraged however by the fact that we didn’t exactly lose Anthony Munoz, Orlando Pace and Bruce Matthews….outside of Price, we lost Smith, Cloy, Walker and McClain. None are irreplaceable by any stretch.
by judge jeff davis on Feb 2, 2012 10:07 PM EST reply actions
Agreed
also there will be a lot more competition this year and that will breed some hungry players. Last year you could tell that sometimes the OL was a bit lacks and it could be because they knew that no one would really be able to step into their position. Not the case this year.
I agree with you.
I do not think there has been a lot of competition for spots on the OL in a long time, and competition is what makes guys better. I can’t wait to see how it all shakes out.
"Clemson is coming!" - Stephone Anthony
Was a little disappointed in his speed
so I think its a viable option. It could be that he was slow due to confusion though.

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