Venables' History on the Recruiting Trail
We want to examine many aspects of new defensive coordinator Brent Venables. For those of you not familiar with Venables, TDP looked at him as a possible head coaching candidate here at Clemson in 2008. During this search, we briefly profiled him here. We also gave our two-cents on him as a possible HC candidate what seems like ages ago in the immediate post-Tom Bowden era. From the above linked article, the following was said about his recruiting prowess:
Recruiting? He's an outstanding recruiter. He's a younger high-energy guy similar to Muschamp. Many of their best recruits this year are on the defensive side. You can see the players he's pulled in here. His ties are mostly in Texas and Oklahoma, not the southeast.
Clearly, he had our respect on the recruiting trail three plus years ago and still has our attention regarding the talent he brought to Norman during his time there. Obviously ESPN noticed this as well, saying the following his decision to leave OU for Clemson (courtesy ESPN.com)
But as much as the Sooners will miss Venables as a coordinator and linebackers coach, they will miss him just as much as an ace recruiter.
Ronnell Lewis, Demontre Hurst, Tom Wort, Corey Nelson, Austin Box, Jamell Fleming and DeMarco Murray are just a few of the standouts Venables had a hand in recruiting to Norman in recent years.
He also was the assistant who secured two of OU's top verbal commitments in this recruiting class: safety Eric Striker and running back Daniel Brooks. Venables also was the primary assistant recruiting California cornerback Brandon Beaver, who is scheduled to visit OU this weekend.
Not that we didn't believe ESPN, but we wanted to look at his recruiting record ourselves and attained information dating back to NSD 2006. Please note that all data (including "star rating") came from www.rivals.com and their Oklahoma site, Sooner Scoop.
Overall Recruiting Performance (since '06):
|
2011 |
2010 |
2009 |
2008 |
2007 |
2006 |
Average |
|
|
Number Signed |
4 |
5 |
8 |
7 |
4 |
5 |
5.5 |
|
Average Star Rating |
3 |
3.4 |
3.625 |
3.6 |
3.75 |
3.6 |
3.5 |
--note that the average is players signed per year while AVG star rating is the overall average from the 2006 class to 2011 class.
As shown below (table featuring all players recruited by BV since '06), Brent has done a fine job on the recruiting trail. He has been the primary/responsible recruiter for no fewer than four (4) players signed in any cycle and has been attributed as the primary/responsible recruiter for seven (7) players signed in 2008 and eight (8) signed in 2009. Venables has been able to maintain quality signees despite his high number of annual signees. Look through his players signed list since ‘06. You'll see plenty of Rivals 4+ star players. 16 of the players he recruited from '06 to '11 were ranked as a Rivals 4 star prospect or better, with two of those players rated at 5 stars. That is 2-2/3 players a cycle with jam up ratings. If you remove last season's pull (all three star athletes), he averages OVER 3 players with a 4 star rating per class.
As we mentioned in our 2008 article, Venables is very knowledgeable of the Southwest and Big12 territory. He cut his teeth at Kansas State and earned his recruiting reputation throughout Kansas, Texas, and Oklahoma. The influx of Venables now gives Clemson two assistants who are extremely astute on the subject of high school recruiting in the state of Texas. I am not sure how much this will help us pulling talent out of the Lone Star State, but it sure won't hurt. The only concern that we might have is an overemphasis on Texas at the expense of Georgia/Florida (which was a Hatfield problem), but thus far it appears to be unjustified after watching Morris' recruiting habits. Also, I'll assume a guy with that much experience on the road who has been this successful should make inroads wherever he recruits once he familiarizes himself with the territory and the high schools.
Overall, Venables looks like an excellent recruiter. How often he'll be on the road is a pretty good question as Swinney prefers his coordinators be used closer to home so that they can use their time in the office game planning. I am not sure this strategy will change too much as the Tigers have been successful fulfilling the overall recruiting goals set by the staff.
Players Signed (Since '06):
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Recruiting Class |
Name |
Pos. |
Stars |
Ht |
Wt |
Hometown |
|
2011 |
OL |
3 |
6-4 |
280 |
Euless, TX |
|
|
2011 |
DB |
3 |
6-0 |
175 |
Coppell, TX |
|
|
2011 |
Franklin Shannon |
LB |
3 |
6-2 |
210 |
Dallas, TX |
|
2011 |
ATH |
3 |
5-9 |
190 |
Arlington, TX |
|
|
2010 |
LB |
3 |
6-2 |
215 |
Fort Worth, TX |
|
|
2010 |
LB |
3 |
6-1 |
206 |
Marshall, TX |
|
|
2010 |
DE |
4 |
6-4 |
230 |
Hutchinson, KS |
|
|
2010 |
LB |
4 |
6-0 |
210 |
Dallas, TX |
|
|
2010 |
DT |
3 |
6-4 |
300 |
Irving, TX |
|
|
2009 |
LB |
3 |
6-2 |
215 |
Conway Springs, KS |
|
|
2009 |
Jarrett Brown |
DE |
3 |
6-4 |
242 |
Arlington, TX |
|
2009 |
DE |
4 |
6-4 |
252 |
Las Vegas, NV |
|
|
2009 |
DB |
4 |
5-11 |
170 |
Lancaster, TX |
|
|
2009 |
LB |
3 |
6-2 |
211 |
Wagoner, OK |
|
|
2009 |
LB |
4 |
6-3 |
220 |
Dewar, OK |
|
|
2009 |
DB |
4 |
5-8 |
167 |
Mesquite, TX |
|
|
2009 |
LB |
4 |
6-1 |
210 |
New Braunfels, TX |
|
|
2008 |
LB |
3 |
6-2 |
250 |
Scranton, PA |
|
|
2008 |
J.R. Bryant |
LB |
4 |
6-3 |
228 |
Garden City, KS |
|
2008 |
LB |
3 |
6-2 |
210 |
Mt. Airy, GA |
|
|
2008 |
DB |
4 |
6-2 |
195 |
Garland, TX |
|
|
2008 |
David Sims |
DB |
3 |
5-11 |
200 |
Oroville, CA |
|
2008 |
Casey Walker |
DT |
3 |
6-2 |
303 |
Garland, TX |
|
2008 |
DE |
5 |
6-3 |
245 |
Keller, TX |
|
|
2007 |
Austin Box |
LB |
4 |
6-3 |
215 |
Enid, OK |
|
2007 |
DB |
4 |
5-10 |
187 |
Arlington, TX |
|
|
2007 |
LB |
5 |
6-4 |
245 |
Marysville, CA |
|
|
2007 |
WR |
2 |
6-3 |
213 |
Vian, OK |
|
|
2006 |
LB |
3 |
6-2 |
215 |
Comanche, OK |
|
|
2006 |
Demarco Murray |
RB |
4 |
6-0 |
183 |
Las Vegas, NV |
|
2006 |
Chris Patterson |
LB |
4 |
6-3 |
220 |
Miami, OK |
|
2006 |
Daniel Tabon |
ATH |
3 |
6-3 |
215 |
Altus, OK |
|
2006 |
Malcolm Williams |
DB |
4 |
5-10 |
172 |
Grand Prairie, TX |
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one of the biggest points in Shannon’s favor was the close ties he had to south florida. But a big name coach like Venables should be able to pull in big time players anyway. Do you see any problem with a drop in our ability to recruit in Georgia and Florida? Do oyu think Venables might be able to grab us a few more form the sunshine state because of his name?
Shannon's recruiting really declined after his 2008 class
He was actually souring with south fl high school coaches. I like Venables much better than Shannon.
by ggggmen08 on Jan 24, 2012 4:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Wasn't aware of that
A lot of fans thought that with Miami looking at another sanctions and Florida stil on the decline, with Shannon we could dominate the state of florida with FSU as our only real competition. If he was in the process of being almost black balled then it’s a good decision, aside from the possibilty of him bring the heat of the NCAA with him, for us not to hire him.
Please stay out of the Sunshine State..
//SIGNED
Florida State fan base.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
You know we're going to grab a few every year
there’s something in those hills.
the hills
are in gods country, tigertown
by lowcountrytiger on Jan 24, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Nice Article
BV is a good recruiter, which is good. Even if he does not have the lead on lot of kids, it helps for on-campus visits or closing the deal. I would not put recruiting at the top of my list for things to look for in a coordinator.
Steele = excellent recruiter
It’s a bonus but I want a seriously outstanding DC who can improve a woeful defensive football team. make tackles/sacks when you have leverage, be excellent in your technique, make open field tackles, stop chunk plays, stop blown coverages, get lined up CORRECTLY when the offense lines up, coach up players (especially LB’s), put together solid game plans and make good adjustments. Other than that, I’m really happy if he can recruit like a maniac.
pretty much says it all rswdad....
Venebles will have his hands full this next season . Hope he can handle stress well , because there is definitely going to be some . I certainly wish him luck .
my favorite part of his recruiting prowess
is his history in Texas. These kids that have been offered by Morris have one thing in common IMO, aggression. Maybe this is formed by the highly competitive nature of high school football in Tx but it isnt as common in SC players.
I disagree
There are lots of great, aggressive players in SC. I think sometimes they get softened somewhere in between. Sam Montgomery from Greenwood starts at DE for LSU, Lateek Townsend and BJ Goodson came out of High School touted as bruising hitters. South Carolina football is very competitive, its primary issue is that there are a ton of really small schools and not so many big schools.
by PenthouseTiger on Jan 25, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think we disagree at all
I was questioning the competitiveness of gaining a starting postion on a given team. The large number of very big and tradition rich high schools in Tx are like meat grinders or a natural selection process. Only the biggest and baddest step on the field. Thus producing a lot of really tough players.

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