Mid-January Sunday Thoughts
The past couple weeks have been fairly "unique" for the Clemson Tigers. We'll begin with the non-firing/non-resignation of Kevin Steele. The Clemson Nation was further confused by the philosophical/non-philosophical differences as described by the Sweatshirt during the "Kevin Steele won't be coming back next season but we will be paying him a boatload of cash anyway" presser. I really don't know why Coach Dabo didn't just say "this is an internal personnel matter and I will not discuss the details at this time only to say that Clemson and Coach Steele have decided to part ways."
The move was not a surprise. After the piss poor efforts we saw against non-pro offenses this regular season, we thought a move could happen. After the curb stomp taken in the Orange Bowl, Swinney's hand was really forced. I know we've discussed this here before, but Steele's defense's performance (specifically the performance of his functional group-linebackers) is baffling. Further confusing was the rotation (well, lack of rotation) at many defensive positions. I get it, we were thin up front and uncomfortable at the linebacker position. Somehow the defensive coordinator has to rotate guys in, even if it means adjusting scheme items. Further, our linebacker play this year sucked anyway, so I am not ure how much worse it could have gotten.
We know Kevin Steele is a good coach because we've seen it before. His resume is jam up, particularly coaching linebackers. We thought it was a steal pulling him from Bama's staff and gave him every benefit of the doubt because of his past successes. Either he forgot how to coach or there were things out of his control here at Clemson that he couldn't overcome.
It has been widely rumored and speculated that Coach Dabo and Steele had conflicts. I suspect that Steele had some issues with Swinney, particularly because Steele is more of an old-school type guy and such a style is simply not the Sweatshirt's personality. I also assume that Steele had some issues with practice philosophy and was-purely speculative-handcuffed in the physicality of these practices. That explains the shit tackling/inability to shed blocks we witnessed for most of this season.
Whatever the reason, Coach Dabo is the head coach and he has every right to make a change anytime he sees fit. We are paying an arm and a leg for current and now former coordinators, so results are definitely expected out of these well paid coaches. This includes former Oklahoma defensive coordinator Brent Venables.
Venables is an odd subject to discuss. He has obviously been a part of some great defenses at both OU and Kansas State. Oklahoma in the early ‘00's was just sick, but those defenses also had Mike Stoops as the co-defensive coordinator until Stoops left for a head job prior to the 2004 season. Since, the perception of Oklahoma's defense is that it has slipped a bit. This, however, does not completely account for the explosion of offensive firepower that emerged within the Big 12 conference. This, coupled with a fast break Oklahoma offense, really puts a lot of pressure on a defense. The big schematic and overall coaching question then is this: Did the OU defense "taper off" due to Stoops leaving, increased defensive pressure due to changes in opponents' strategies, or some combination of the two?
I still have not finalized my opinion on the hire and am skeptical for many reasons. Venables gets praise around the coaching community, so I believe he is a good coach. The questions arise not as a position coach, co-DC, nor recruiter but completely running a defense. Oklahoma fans were eager to get Stoops back and constantly complained about the gross amount of damage opposing offenses did against the Sooners this season. While their expectations may be a little unreal, their concerns are real.
We are putting together articles that will hopefully help you form an opinion of the Venables hire. However, as you well know, none of this talk really matters until we are looking back on the 2012 season in retrospect and assessing improvement. Again, for all the jack the school is spending, results should be expected.
Now for the positive items. Our university had been reluctant to spend the money necessary to compete within the arena of major college football. We had been reluctant to go out and make a big money splash in the coaching arena. The Dabo Swinney hire was a good example as the university took a chance on a relatively unknown guy who recruited like a champion but had little experience running interconnected functional units. His contract largely favored the university, was littered with performance-based metrics, and provided low buyout levels should the contract not work. This hire would dictate TDP's future. Maybe TDP went out and clamored for more money and more initiatives. Maybe Dabo sold the powers that be on investing in personnel. Maybe there is a shift in priority out of the powers that be following the debacle known as the 2010 season as a group of BOT members were finally fed up with the status quo and drove change, forming an athletics "task force" and pressed for some change. Possibly the movement to recalibrate Barker's attitude started to get more traction, particularly after the board expressed its displeasure in Dec. 2010. I am sure there is a combination of these factors that freed up cash for Morris, Hobby, paying off Steele, and now shelling out loads of cheddar for Venables.
There are still items on the table that need a push. An initiative for an indoor practice facility was presented but construction did not proceed as aggressively as we'd like. To keep up with the teams we want to compete with, constant infrastructure upgrades are needed to recruit championship players. We've discussed perceived shortcomings associated with S&C here, so I won't get too far into that subject only to say that Clemson needs to more aggressively address this whole program. Sure we have beef with physical training philosophy but there also needs to be more emphasis on nutrition (effectively fuel intake). There is no excuse for our starting QB's gut to hang out by season's end, which boils down not only to physical conditioning but also eating properly. Additionally, we have all heard stories of players (freshmen in particular) slamming cheeseburgers and shakes all summer then being behind when fall camp starts. If we want to be a great football program, Clemson has to assure that ALL inputs, including food products, are geared towards turning these young men into football machines. We discussed this at length heading several years ago; if you haven't read our concerns about this subject, here is the link.
Also, praise needs to go out to ggggmen and F1NS for their basketball insight. I know enough about the game and gameplay to speak intelligently but these folks have helped tremendously with insights and attention, so I'll defer to them outside for the meat of the info. I will say that this season has been a letdown to date for me. December was horrid and we've been largely inconsistent as a team in general since. Yes, the FSU win was impressive (particularly when you consider their recent thrashing of UNC and win at Cameron) but the others were tough to watch. Andre Young was a machine against Tech yesterday but this team did all it could to give the Jackets life when they were all but beaten yesterday afternoon. There is no doubt in my mind that Brownell is a good X's & O's/fundamentals coach, and he will be given the benefit of the doubt after the near miracle pulled off last season. As a team, though, we appear to have an attitude and a "want" problem on our team. Leadership and a definite go-to guy has been void all season and, hopefully, Young assumed that role yesterday and will be the clutch player down the stretch. Booker's play has looked lazy for the most part and I have no clue how Milton Jennings was at one time a McDonalds All American. We'll see how this team performs as we progress through the ACC schedule.
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Actually I think the contract for the IPF should've been awarded by now
I’m surprised it hasn’t been officially announced, but they’ll probably time it soon to create some good will and momentum with recruiting.
The contractor was chosen last week
but no official announcement, yet. Probably waiting for ink to dry on a contract.
by greenvandal on Jan 22, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
If ground breaks by Spring ball, maybe Aug/Sept
by DrB on Jan 22, 2012 3:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If complete this Aug/Sept, the team should have access for practices this fall
this would presumably be in the Sept/Oct timeframe.
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You are incorrect according to what Larry Williams reported late last month.
The basic layout is planned and the firm will have 6wks-month to get back with Clemson. Groundbreaking planned for March at best, and Clemson wants to be in it by late September.
Good Read
I’ll be the first to admit that I thought Steele was a good hire. Rumor had it that Saban stripped some of his duties halfway thru his last season at Bama, and he was encouraged to leave there. I assumed that was bitter Bama fan trying to spin it, but now suspect it was true.
As far as Venables goes, only time will tell. Like you said, he has never had full control of the D with Stoops as HC. The more I read on him, the more encouraged I became, though. The part I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around is how come our D was so bad. I’m not sure what Venables is inheiting, but plenty of time to disect that in the spring.
Nutrition/Training Table
FF, I’m glad you brought this up about the nutrition aspect of the football team. I think Batson takes a lot of blame for us getting physically whipped by opponents which I believe is deserved. My question really goes to this point though. We all saw the video of players weighing in over the summer right before fall camp. This would be a stretch where only Batson, his staff, and the graduate assistants have access to the team. The team looked cut and in shape imo. I guess I am baffled that if the head coach doesn’t think a change in S&C coaches is necessary, how can he not be pushing for the training table? I guarantee we were physically whipped in games, but also towards the end of the season looked out of shape too. This is where the S&C staff has access to the team, but it is not as dedicated as the off season. Can the HC not admit there is at least a small problem in either S&C or nutrition? It’s absurd.
We are getting a Table
Its in the current phase of WEZ construction planned. The team has a cafeteria there now but we’ll need a staff of nutritionists not named Loreto Jackson
by DrB on Jan 22, 2012 5:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Clemson has health science/nutrition
majors, I would see this as a great opportunity for some students to get real world training (under the supervision of professionals of course) and us to get some cheap/free labor.
by PenthouseTiger on Jan 22, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
As I've always said, its a wonderful way to train those majors
but don’t suggest logic to our Administration.
They are working on it but lack the nutritionalist aspect
One item we’ve discussed here is the university and the athletics department working together to create a dedicated program that would also benefit the academic side.
I believe the team still meets once daily for supper over at the WEZ cadeteria. Like Dr. B said above, they are working on the final product for a real training table.
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exactly why
I don’t think Clemson will ever get tough under Swinney . He wants to be “nice guy” and finess their way to a NC……ain’t happening .
I think Clemson is much tougher than previous decade!
I in the past saw us not competiing on the field with VaTech because of a lack of toughness! I saw us lose to less talented Maryland teams because of a lack of toughness.
This year we beat VaTech twice, Maryland we came back from behind a lot behind on the road. This year we had a lack of experienced depth and many of the starters set records for the number of snaps they played.
Next year we will have the best depth at DL, OL and LB we have had at Clemson in at least a decade. The question mark is whether our OL and DL starters will be as good as this years.
Best depth at OL/DL in a decade?
Do you commonly smoke crack?
Was that toughness apparent when they were getting manhandled up front by Troy and Wofford too?
Or NC State
or a WVU team that was widely thought of as having weak lines?
by PenthouseTiger on Jan 23, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
I've never said this before about anybody, but I think Lhaselden is a shill from the CUAD.
I mean, OK… “tougher than the previous decade” isn’t saying much, so I’ll chalk that up to a difference of opinion. But there’s no way, no way, no way that anybody (not even the biggest pumper) who even has a passing knowledge of Clemson’s personnel could reasonaby claim that the OL, DL, and LB will have the best depth in at least a decade. Heck, the OL & DL will have worse depth than 2011 and 2010!!!
last year we had 5 DLs ready to play, 7 OL but for a couple of games we had only 5!
I did not say the OL or the DL would be better only that the depth will be better! I did not say either DL or the OL would be tougher! Maybe y’all should insult people on what they wrote instead of what you imagine they meant!
what you said and what you meant are 2 different things apparently
either that or you have a different definition of depth than everyone else. Depth is not how many people there are. Depth is how many EXPERIENCED people there are.
Next year we will have the best depth at DL, OL and LB we have had at Clemson in at least a decade
Next year has nothing to do with Troy Wofford or unless we get a rematch in a bowl game WV!
Read the whole sentence and you might understand it better, you take 3 words and insult me aobut smokin crack, maybe you should take some remedial reading classes!
Maybe you should shut the fuck up
And actually learn to say things that make sense, or get lost
by DrB on Jan 25, 2012 12:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Have yall done something on the difference between zone blocking and gap blocking?
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I havent, no.
I know the FSU site and Tennessee sites have, but unless I can think of a good way to make a visual I’m not going to do that here.
Links?
I do not want to know the x’s and o’s of it as much as I just want to know the general pros and cons of each. Basically, why would we go from one to the other.
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by Tigerplowboy on Jan 25, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/6/9/900288/understanding-zone-blocking-and
Pretty concise article.
First few paragraphs do a good job describing philosophy if you don’t want to get too heavy into x’s and o’s
I can answer that in simple terms
Gap blocking is easy, basically if you have an assigned gap to block, thats the direction you go. There are rules to it but they are pretty simple. You know where youre going no matter what before the ball is snapped.
Zone blocking is easy in principle because you count from the Center over, and if you have the 3rd man, you take the 3rd man. However, to get used to all the different fronts a team can show you, you have to rep zone blocking much more to get good at it because its not always the same man and whomever the Center calls out as his “1” can change.
Thank you.
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by Tigerplowboy on Jan 25, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions

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