Hurry Up Defense (Part 1)
Are you ready to get your geek on? Oh, I know you are. Well, here comes a post that would make my math teacher in high school blush. Ok, not really. Actually if you can read a chart and understand what a percentage is, you’re good.
You’ve probably seen the theory that "offense affects defensive performance" before but, probably nothing like this. I have been working on this most of the season so, I realize there is a lot of stuff here. I had a lot of questions that I wanted answered so, I just kept digging and digging.
This is divided into 5 parts.
My goal here is much like Shakin The Southland. I want us to all better educated football fans (myself included) so that our grief, elation, and/or influence is (mostly) directed to the right areas. I also invite you to tell me what you think, let me know what I might could add to this, and where you think I’m wrong.
Sources: cfbstats.com, teamrankings,com, FootballOutsiders.com, Rivals.com
This post is about perspective.
This is not a "defending Kevin Steele" post. It’s an "It is what it is" post designed to help create perspective. It may not look like it at first but, I will try to show you that we should be doing better defensively but not necessarily in ways that show up on a National Ranking. I do not take issue with Kevin Steele being fired for job performance.
I’m also not trying to convince you that you didn’t see what you saw with your own eyes on a play-by-play basis on Saturdays. If you didn’t see that our defense had problems, you should probably seek litigation against your optometrist immediately. We can be better.
I know there are a few people out there that think Clemson’s defense should make the ’85 Bears look like the front row of an Adam Lambert concert every year. I might not be able to help you there.
Also, this is not about schematics or player assignments. Shakin The Southland has done an absolutely excellent job at explaining those issues we had under Steele. My goal here is to do the exact opposite and step as far back as I can and look at the big picture. I appreciate them allowing me to post all this here.
Ok, let’s get started.
As you already know, the big picture plan for Clemson to win games is for the offense to gas/stress/speed up the opposing defense, aggressively lengthen the game by number of plays and possessions, and impose our will against an abnormally fatigued and stressed defense.
Chad Morris’ wants "80 to 85" plays a game to create "5 Quarters" of football for the opposing defense and for his offense to be the aggressor.
The logical question is, "How do you play "5 Quarters" of offense and only "4 Quarters" of defense?" The most logical answer would be that you don’t. How do you intentionally speed up your own offense and at the same time, not give the ball back to your defense at a faster rate, not have them on the field longer, and not have them defend for more possessions per game?
The end result of Morris’ philosophy is that we were ranked 105th in the country (of 120 teams) in time of possession this year. In other words, our defense isn’t exactly over there drinking Gatorade and smoking a cigarette on the sidelines for extended periods of time like say, Alabama’s and LSU’s are.
This year, Clemson had 104 offensive drives that lasted under 2 minutes. By contrast, LSU had 54, Alabama 49, and South Carolina 59. In fact, we average 13.1 drives per game and more than half of our offensive possessions (7.4 per game) were less than two minutes long.
LSU by contrast averaged 10.8 drives per game and 3.8 drives under 2 minutes. That’s 3 less chances to score for the opposition per game and half of the "sudden change" situations that we have. This equates to less opportunity and more rest for their defense.
Alabama had 137 drives this year, 49 drives under 2 minutes, and 40 drives over 4 minutes long. Clemson had 181 drives, 104 under 2 minutes, and 18 drives over 4 minutes long. It’s clear that we have succeeded in both getting that "5th quarter" and creating one for our defense.
It seems though, that the tendency by everyone that watches football is to want to judge all defensive plays and series by every team across every year equally. Of course, football isn’t played in a vacuum.
If defensive play couldn’t be fundamentally broken down by fatigue and stress, there would be no "Hurry Up No Huddle" concept in the first place.
So, what is the actual quantitative effect on a defense that has to support an offense that runs a lot of plays, has shorter drives, and creates more possessions for the opposition?
I notice that a lot of people are fond of using National Rankings (and often only national rankings which is silly to me #NoVaccum) to judge success/failure, so why don’t we start there.
These are the top 10 teams from BCS (AQ) conferences in "offensive plays run per game" for 2011-12 in games against FBS schools (FCS matchups are removed). In the two right columns are their defensive rankings nationally in both "yards allowed" and "scoring."
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Team |
Natl. Plays |
Natl. Defense |
Natl. Defense |
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Texas Tech |
1 |
114 |
117 |
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Oklahoma |
2 |
55 |
31 |
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Baylor |
4 |
116 |
113 |
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Texas A&M |
5 |
59 |
70 |
|
Iowa St. |
7 |
95 |
82 |
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Arizona |
8 |
110 |
107 |
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Northwestern |
9 |
81 |
66 |
|
Clemson |
10 |
71 |
81 |
|
Oklahoma St. |
11 |
107 |
61 |
|
Washington St. |
17 |
82 |
95 |
|
Averages |
|
89 |
82.3 |
I’d like to add that over the last 5 years, the average defensive rankings for the top ten FBS teams in "offensive plays per game" is 62.6 in yards and 60.3 in scoring.
Ok, let’s continue examining the "faster the pace, the more of an effect it has on your defense" theory further. In fact, let’s look at the reverse of the above chart. Let’s examine the 10 best scoring defenses in college football this year in the same way.
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2011 Team |
Natl. Plays |
Natl. Defense |
Natl. Defense |
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Alabama |
97 |
1 |
1 |
|
LSU |
118 |
2 |
2 |
|
Temple |
108 |
13 |
3 |
|
Florida St. |
111 |
4 |
4 |
|
Penn St. |
80 |
20 |
5 |
|
Michigan |
102 |
17 |
6 |
|
Virginia Tech |
53 |
10 |
7 |
|
UCF |
78 |
9 |
8 |
|
Rutgers |
31 |
12 |
9 |
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South Carolina |
74 |
3 |
10 |
|
Averages |
85.2 |
9.1 |
5.5 |
As you can see, this chart backs up the above chart and is probably even more convincing.
It’s very clear that: Running a lot of plays on offense increases the likelihood of poor statistical defense. No surprise there. In fact, the averages here suggest that we should expect our defense to be somewhere around the bottom half to bottom third nationally.
The next thing you should notice is that even with the West Virginia demolition, Clemson’s defense fits right in with the rest here and is performing statistically better than the averages in 2011. Note: Before West Virginia went medieval on us, Clemson was ranked 61st in yards and 66 in points.
I think we haven’t seen Clemson run an offense at this kind of pace before and our expectations should be different. Steele didn’t get the benefit of that perception this year but, the next guy should.
Statistically this is the worst defense in a long long time at Clemson. The charts above suggest that it certainly should be. Of course, there are other issues on the table as well.
Many predominant theories seem to suggest that Kevin Steele taught poor fundamentals; his scheme was too complicated; and that the top 20ish defenses the past two years were a mirage caused by great talent. I think there’s a lot of truth there. However, it can’t be considered the major problem because almost every school that runs a lot of plays has a DC with a similar problem. Many of these DCs, even more so than Steele, are proven successes in different situations.
The outlier above is Oklahoma, who is the only team here that ranks in the top half of the NCAA in yardage allowed and top third in scoring. On the surface, that seems like one hell of a defensive job. If you combine the chart above with the fact that they play in a conference where the average offensive rank is 35.3, it’s pretty impressive. For perspective, Clemson’s average opponent was ranked 60.2 (obviously the lower the number the better there).
The DC at Oklahoma is (with Bob Stoops oversight) Brent Venables, who was of course, a former candidate for the Clemson head coaching position. Good eye TDP? He pretty consistently has the top (or 2nd) rated defense among the top ten "average plays run" teams. Maybe we should borrow some defensive ideas from him…or just get him (#$$$).
Interestingly, one of Oklahoma’s losses was to the only team that ran more plays per game than them this year, Texas Tech. Texas Tech’s defense ranks a horrific114 and 117 nationally and they are, of course, coached by the notable defensive mind, Tommy Tuberville.
If you rely on the "coaching ability logic" to explain poor defensive performance for these type of teams…{Sarcasm Alert} Clearly, Tommy Tuberville’s cameo in the "Blind Side" has him way too Hollywood to remember how to coach defense. You can also see above that Mike Stoops of Arizona has forgotten how to coach defense as well and yet, Urban Meyer just tried to hire him to run his defense at Ohio State and Oklahoma just did hire him to be a co-DC with Venables.
Sadly, I should mention that Paul Rhoads at Iowa St. had an SEC defense at Auburn that ranked in the top 15 nationally just three years ago, but he has already forgotten how to coach. DC Mike Hankwitz of Northwestern had the #2 scoring defense at Wisconsin just 5 years ago but he too has already forgotten how to coach apparently. Oklahoma St. DC Bill Young took the defense from 77 to 31 in his first year two years ago but now has, you got it, forgotten how to coach (Note: OSU was 53rd in plays run that year. Now their defense is statistically worse but the team is better and finished #3 in the AP poll…More on Mr. Young in a minute). Texas A&M DC Tim DeRuyter will be forgetting how to coach defense with a pay raise as the head coach of Fresno St. next year.
So, you either believe that all of these formally successful defensive minds all have severe talent shortcomings on their roster, are incompetent schematically, or, there is a simple, broad, big picture answer for their futility: Their teams’ Offensive Philosophy.
Yes, teams have certainly had strong statistical defenses before while running a lot of plays up-tempo. It is just not likely and takes more than just a strong defensive performance.
Oregon finished 12th in scoring defense in 2010. Oregon 2010 only played 5 teams with a winning record (we played 8 last year). Their conference opponent’s average offensive ranking was 65.2 and they were #2 in the country in turnovers forced and also among the national leaders in turnover margin (7th) which helped their offense keep its foot on the gas. So, that proves that a National Championship caliber team in both talent and coaching (on both offense and defense), that forces an incredible amount of turnovers (37), with a favorable schedule can pull it off.
Some other outliers can be explained by overachievement by conference. Often, the outliers all come from the same conference, which of course, means that the offenses were probably down conference-wide that year. For example, the highest national defensive ranking in the past few years for Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma St. all came in the same year, 2009. Coincidence?
That year, the average rank of the Big 12 offenses dropped to their worst average offense ranking in the past five years of 55.1. For perspective purposes, the ACC offenses that season actually finished better with an average rank of 55.0.
In 2010, the Big 12 rebounded offensively to a 49.35 average ranking and then in 2011 the Big 12 had a ridiculous average offense ranking of 35.3 …and, of course, down went all the defensive ranks with it. This just pokes more holes in the validity of using only national rankings to evaluate OCs and DCs.
The perspective here that I take regarding Brent Venables is that his defenses produced a #9 ranking in what would’ve been a good year for ACC offenses (2009; Steele had the 27th against equally ranked competition) and dropped to #33 against what was an excellent year for Big 12 offenses (2011). From what I’ve seen statistically, this is not only good, it is consistently good. My only concern would be how much of this is a product of Stoops’ scheme and excellent talent?
The best performance I’ve seen, though, was by Kansas in 2007. The DC that year was the aforementioned Bill Young who is at Oklahoma St. right now. That team went 12-1 and beat Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl. Kansas ran the no-huddle and finished with the #4 ranked scoring defense.
Here’s the catch. Kansas was #1 in the country in turnover margin that year. They didn’t have to play Texas, Oklahoma, or Texas Tech that year. They only played 5 teams with a winning record, and out of 8 conference games, faced the 4 worst offenses in the conference that ranked 111, 111, 62, and 57. Their conference opponent’s average offensive ranking was still 52.5 though, which makes this the best defensive performance by a hurry-up team I’ve seen in the past 5 years.
Again, same thing as Oregon, for this to happen you need help. You need your conference opponent’s average offense to be north of 50, you don’t turn the ball over, and you have BCS level talent on both sides of the ball.
By the way, we were 66th in turnover margin this year which means we turned it over more than we could create turnovers. Our 24 turnovers on offense this year had us ranked 72nd nationally.
Who was #1 in turnover margin? Oklahoma State. Bill Young’s defense at Oklahoma St. forced 44 turnovers. That’s insane (Clemson created 23 turnovers in 2011) and I don’t believe it’s an accident either. They were 1st, 5th, and 11th in creating turnovers over the past three years.
Here’s a Bill Young quote on the subject, "Nobody in the country works harder in forcing turnovers than we do and it's been a point of emphasis for the last three years…After practice each day if we haven't created five turnovers against the scouts, we have to run a gasser for each one we didn't get."
So basically, Oklahoma’s State’s defensive rank says they are terrible, but the truth is that they have a winning system. That system has them creating 3.1 "sudden change" situations for their hurry-up offense per game. An already tired opposing defense then has to go right back out on the field and face the OSU hurry-up attack. Again, this happens 3 times per game on average.
The numbers seem to show that this is a bigger part of winning with HUNH football than national defensive rankings. I think that the reason is because the HUNH is what I like to call "Offense First" football. Our offense takes liberties from our defense that they would like to use (rest time, lower # of drives, time of possession) and uses them to create their own advantage. Hence, Offense First.
If the defense can flip the possessions, the offensive effectiveness can snowball. On the flipside, if the opposing defense is getting long rests between series (or the offense turns the ball over) the whole strategy can backfire…and that’s why many experts correctly identify it as "high risk football."
The defensive coordinator that takes a few chances, can dial up a big play, and turns over the opponent is best working with the offense to impose their HUNH philosophy (I’m not talking about crazy blitzkrieg every play or unsound football here either, I’m talking about taking more chances than normal and not always worrying about keeping everything in front of you).
If the defense takes chances and gets a stop or turnover, the offense is right back out the field. If the defense takes chances and gives up a big play, than the offense is still right back out on the field. What you cannot have, defensively, are long sustained drives that allow the opposing defense to rest.
This is also the reason why I don’t think we want a guy like Vic Koening paired with Chad Morris. Koening’s national rankings might look good but our offensive effectiveness, and thus our wins, would likely decline in a "bend but don’t break system."
By the way, Venables’ defenses at Oklahoma were ranked 11th, 8th, and 28th in forced turnovers in the past three years. We were 11th, 72nd, and 49th the past three years.
Steele called 40 blitzes in 73 plays against South Carolina and we forced 0 turnovers. Is Clemson’s lack of forced turnovers scheme or talent? I don’t know, but I want to find out.
Next, Part 2: Auburn
These opinions are not necessarily those of the Proprietors of Shakin' The Southland.
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Thanks for all the work you put into this...
I can’t believe this is only part 1 too… Thanks, I wasn’t real excited about the DC hire but I suddenly feel hopeful. People have been saying that they feel BV did less or equal with better talent at OU.. But considering that Big 12 offenses have been statistically better than ACC offenses, by conference to conference comparison, I’m happy with our consistent level of defensive talent compared to the rest of the ACC’s offensive talent. If BV can bring this philosophy that forces turnovers at a high level consistently.. Then maybe this is the guy we’re looking for. I heard that OU fans in general weren’t happy with him, but if they’re just looking at the numbers like a casual (even rabid) fan would, maybe he is better than what I’ve been hearing.. Either way, he’s our guy now so I’m excited to see what he can do for us. Go Tigers!
Thanks for the work
I am running some analysis on this myself looking at correlations between offensive drive length and points we allow on the following possession along with total TOP. While there is merit to the analysis I don’t think it paints the whole story. Of the teams you listed in the top ten of offensive plays only OU and A&M have brought in anywhere near the athletes we have on defense and both play in a much tougher league to defend.
While having shorter breaks between posessions may hurt the defense a little at some point it is on them to get off the damn field. Time of posession is as much on the defense as the offense. Poor fundamentals in tackling, missed assignemts, and confusion aren’t on Morris and his scheme.
One thing I am still pulling data for is to compare the TOP drive by drive and points allowed for us last year to this one. So far not a huge difference being seen and the overall correlation isn’t statistically significant.
Thanks...I can save you trouble
There is no correlation between a specific time of a specific drive and corresponding points given up by the defense on the following drive if that’s what you mean.
I have no problem with the “fundamentals argument” because it’s correct. On every defensive play, players have to do their job, get off a block, and make a tackle. Bad statistical defenses either do those things worse, are required to stop the opposition more often, or a combination of both. Most HUNH teams are bad statistical defenses.
You’ll find most hurry-up teams are near the bottom of the time of possession rankings. Oregon is 120, Auburn is 108, and Oklahoma St. is 115. It’s the offensive philosophy.
"There was like linemen out there talking about, ‘Good job, man, stop going so hard. Y'all got it.' I was like, all right," says West Virginia senior cornerback Keith Tandy. "I never heard anything like that and they just made us want to go harder and keep making plays."
Love this article Kraken ,
Great job and thanks for all the hard tedious work you put in for this . I wonder what the comparisons between these HUNH offensive teams and their respective S&C programs . Are these S&C programs having the same problems as ours – are they from the same disciples as Batson ?
Obviously , as you pointed out – with these type offenses your defense will suffer – at least statiscally . The only way to combat the issues of fatigue of being on the feild constantly is to be better conditioned as well as the fundementals , right ? Just wondering what your take on that is , thanks . (Again , great job)
I don't know much about S&C
That’s something STS probably has info on. I approached this more from the big picture standpoint on the field.
I will say that you can see for yourself that Dabo’s initial staff didn’t have experience putting this kind of program together. There is certainly more to being successful than just hiring the OC that runs it.
Yep
Wish you had posted this about one week ago, compiling data is chore and you efforts are greatly appreciated by me. That is what I was referring to, my hypothesis was that short drives may be linked to points scored on the next drive. My next step was going to be adding in a cumulative time on the field prior to that drive and pull in other data like turnovers and starting field position to determine what are the significant contributors.
I do believe your hypothesis of matching the right style, i.e. quick stops, turnovers or quick scores type of defense to this offense will be a factor to consider. My only concern with the above is that while maybe we shouldn’t expect top 15-20 statistical defenses I still believe the offensive factor isn’t an over riding contributor and in our league with our recruiting top 40 every year is realistic rather than top 60-70.
I wonder if Dabo hired BV because he is used to having
to support a HUNH. The Big 12 has great offenses, but how much of this is due to poor defensive play? Also, how many yards and points are given up by these defenses early in the game even though they’re still fresh.
Shouldn’t all these forced TO’S mean OSU’s D is getting a rest? And LSU’s forced TO’s and Alabama’s defensive third down conversion success gets them off the field.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 20, 2012 1:19 AM EST reply actions
Forgot to mention,
very thorough analysis. Good work.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 20, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder ,
how much Alabama ( Kirby Smart ) defense would suffer under a HUNH type offense . Before you state the obvious that Saban would never allow that crap on his watch , and I would never want to see our blood cousins go that route in Bama – just for giggles , I think you guys are an anomily on defense , the best perhaps I have ever seen . With the fundamentals Kirbys’ defense has – under fatigue of being on the field as much as ours , how would his defense fair ?
I can honestly say a whole lot better than most , but your S&C has to be elite also .
Scott Cochran is a Moffitt disciple.
It also helps to habe depth for rotation.
I wonder if anyone will borrow from 2011 LSU’s S&C, spring training and fall camp. The D had to practice against rotating offenses. LSU’s depth and conditioning showed itself in every game. Particularly impressive were their games against Oregon and Bama in NOLA.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 20, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
Very impressive indeed.
Seems to me that LSU / Alabama set a new standard of philosophy this past season . One would hope that " someone " would borrow and expand upon that . I would give anything to have a Moffit disciple here in Clemson as I only really still see our program as being the same ole soft asses they have been for over the last decade . Until the " good ole boy network " here changes I don’t see any signifigant changes especially in culture until our S&C goes a different route , and as long as Dabo / TDP are in charge I don’t hold out much hope for change . I certainly hope we don’t have to face you guys anytime soon .
Well done indeed
Makes look at this hire from whole diff perspective. But still not “sold” on BV lol
by TigerFan74 on Jan 20, 2012 1:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions
he definitely has too prove himself....
but I don’t understand his hire myself . Maybe by 2013 season I will , if Dabo and he are still here .
Very informative data and analysis. Thanks for putting that together.
Things I’m grappling with though…
1) Player-talent. In the case of OU or Bama, the on-field defensive talent was far superior to most of their opponents. An OC’s or DC’s performance as a coach, should really be normalized to the player-talent on hand. Guys like Bud Foster seem to do far more with less talent. OU out-talented, by far, everybody in the Big 12 but Texas. I’m not saying that means Venables is bad. I just don’t know whether or not he does more with less, less with more or neither. Points-allowed-per-star or points-allowed-per-star-per-play would be interesting.
2) Depth: A deep D should be able to handle more plays and mitigate the HUNH fatigue. (Easy to say. Hard to achieve, though teams like Alabama probably do.)
3) What happens in HUNH vs. HUNH? WVU whupped the crap out of Clemson’s D— even in the first quarter when both sides were fresh as daisies. How does that fiit in? Ultimately the defense makes its own bed. As someone mentioned above, it would be interesting to see if HUNH defense were any better in the 1st quarte or the first 2 drives.
I’m looking forward to parts 2-5!
Thanks Razz, I added a couple extra stats just for your enjoyment
1) This is about perception of good defensive performance for an “Offense First” team. By everybody’s account, he has talent. My logic is simply of the “top ten offensive plays run teams” there are successful defensive coordinator littering that list, and Venables out-performs them statistically consistently. If it’s the talent or Stoops we’ll find out.
2) We had very poor depth this year but, that is hard to quantify except by a “plays” list and in all actuality, depth is on the coaches.
3) I thought the pace in the 1st Q of that game was unlike any game we were in this year. We DID stop them on their first drive. The quarter by defense thing doesn’t matter often because the games are so often out of hand. Our 4th quarter defense was better than our 2nd quarter defense against WVU.
Great analysis
Fantastic article – well done.
1) interested to know how coaches practice differently a) to create TO’s b) address the HUNH offense
2) does this effect recruiting philosophy? does this effect substitution patterns?
To create turnovers
You really need a coach that emphasizes it bigtime. He’ll take away 5 minutes that you spend on Man/Man technique and teach them to be ballhawks and to swarm to the ball. You teach them that the first man on the tackle makes the tackle, and the rest that swarm to the ball all try to strip it out. In addition, teams that play a majority of zone will put a little more effort to create interceptions.
In addressing the HUNH, I would have to increase the pace of lining up in game-practice drills (not position drills), but otherwise theres not a lot specific to the pace that you can do. You’d need to have your DL (especially) in great shape to handle the pace of the opponent, and thats a year-round thing, not game week only.
It may not affect recruiting philosophy too much, but you wouldnt want those 330lb walrus’s to be overworked in a conference that is mostly HUNH. You’d go for the smaller faster guys, but then like Oregon does at times, you would have problems against a bigger offensive line.
awesome analysis on the HUNH offense and a supporting D
… i was watching highlights on Bama’s defense from this past year … and it is painfully obvious how ripped and athletic those guys are. It did seem that their guys (like Upshaw) got bigger, faster and stronger as the season went on. Made me wonder if there is any kind of artificial help going in on their S&C program (jk, but not really).
My brother (& sister) in-law live in Bham and are Tide alum/fans … so I like to pick his brain about their players and incoming recruits. It’s obvious the talent level on defense at Bama is greater than at Clemson. But compared to the teams we face in the ACC, we should be considered to be at or above the top 3 defenses in the ACC (talent wise/athletically).
My question is … do you think that VB will be able to bring a tougher mentality and physicality to our defense? I heard rumors that Dabo wouldn’t let Steele “have tough practices” … so I’m concerned if that is still the case. So, despite the apparent lack of S&C at Clemson, is this an area that VB can make up for with his in-practice regiment? Will Dabo let this guy “work their a$$es off”? At the least I’m hoping VB can focus on the fundamentals of shedding blocks, wrapping up and taking the right angles with our defensive players … and whipping these boys into the best physical shape of their lives (endurance wise).
Looking forward to the rest of this discussion. GO TIGERS!
I think those are the million dollar questions we all want answered...
I would direct all of those questions to Dr B. and FF.
Lots of research
But there is one thing you’re missing. Clemson’s offense sucked last year and had a ton of 3 and outs and very short drives. This year the T.O.P. for the Clemson offense actually went up from last year, meaning our defense should have been on the field less per game than last year. Totally blowing a hole in your theory that the hurry up caused our defense to suck. Also, the pace of our offense was not very fast for most of the year. I think Chad was very disappointed in how slow our hurry up really was. If you watch a team like Oregon who runs it, you’ll notice ours is much slower.
Crappy tackling has nothing to do with hurry up offense or not. That’s entirely on the coaches and their practice techniques. I believe Dabo is the one who was championing “thud” tackling in practice by the way he so fiercely defended it in one presser.
I never said "the hurry up caused our defense to suck."
You decided that after reading.
I examine 2010 and compare it with 2011 later on. Our defense was asked to do more this year.
Our TOP was bad last year (in the 70s nationally) but dropped 30 spots this year. We didn’t get better this year. Also, TOP is largely insignificant when it comes to winning. I think I had one line of four pages above that used the term TOP. That’s not the crux of my argument.
Our hurry-up was faster than Oklahoma St. and 110 other teams.
I think in certain cases TOP does matter
When you run a pro system, and want a good defense, keeping them off the field as much as possible does matter. Those 5-10 minutes of gametime add up over a season. Alabama/LSU’s defense would point to that, as they weren’t on the field that much and it did add up to keep them fresh over a grueling schedule.
However I agree, TOP is something I rarely look at as a cause of a loss. A contributing factor or indicator, yes, but not a cause.
Great stuff but.....
I have always thought that a HUNH offense is something most DC’s dont want to see from their team. Having said that however,
the real bottom line here is that through out the season (this gets back to your comment of "seeing what we saw every sat with our own eyes!) we saw way too many blown assignments that lead to big plays/scoring drives. That was just sloppy execution.
And the real real bottom line here is if Clemson put up a respectable effort in the Orange bowl Steele would still be at Clemson trying to figure out how to make next season better.
I have seen with my own eyes too many blown tackles this year and too many blown assignments to think that our inability to stop our opponent from scoring had more to do with HUNH offense as it did with poor play.
In my humble opinion, Quaterback containment was something Steele never got our guys to focus on and it killed us. Most of the rest came from lack of execution.
But in the end, when you let another team hang 70 pts on you on national TV. heads must roll.
Agree
STS has done a great job of explaining our shortcomings. They’re not mutually exclusive theories though…one or the other
This is about perception. The one thing I didn’t do is watch every game of every HUNH team and examine what their shortcomings are. I just know that they exist. Therefore both can be true.
Unrelated side note, but noteworthy
SC is losing their strength coach to Penn State: http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2012/1/20/2722144/penn-state-football-coach-craig-fitzgerald-john-thomas-joe-paterno
by judge jeff davis on Jan 21, 2012 8:41 AM EST reply actions

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