Post Season Press Conference: STS is the Devils Playground
I did not get a chance to watch Dabo's press conference today, but I did get to read the comments on twitter this afternoon and read some of the message board chatter about it. Tonight I did get to read it and listen to the presser, and oh boy.
Dabs started out thanking Steele for his contributions, said he was a friend, and said the parting was mutual. Well it wasn't mutual of course, because if The Sweatshirt wanted Steele to stay, he'd still be here. Steele did technically resign, and he is getting a chunk of his buyout amount, but maybe not the full amount he would if he were outright fired. I do think Steele turns out just fine as a LB coach again, and we'll see how much blame Dabo deserves for his defenses' performances this year. I'm not one to put total blame on a coordinator, as some other idiot fans think we were with the post below announcing his firing.
Is Steele still being paid then?
Yes
So he (Steele) resigned?
No he didn't resign, we both agreed that a change was needed we're going to honor his contract. Again, this allows him to pursue some opportunities that he has to look at.
So he didnt resign and he wasn't fired?
That would be correct.
So he will get a buyout?
Yes, we agreed a change was needed. I didnt want to have to fire him. We needed to talk through some issues and those couldnt be resolved.
What kind of philosophical differences were there?
"We’ll continue to be an aggressive attacking defense. It has to be the right. We may stay within staff. I’ve got great men. Whoever comes in has to have good chemistry. Just got going yesterday. Form a philosophical standpoint - lets attack and get after people. Multiple with our coverages. It’s not about scheme as other things.
So I'm missing something, philosophically you didnt agree but you dont want to change the philosophy?
I cant help you there. Its not about scheme, its other things.
Clear as mud. You can see it in the press conference video here. If you know who that was that asked those questions to clown the Clown in the middle and end of the presser, shake his hand.
Back to the opening statements...
"I’m not going to spend a lot of time on the Orange Bowl. It was poor performance. As I step back, you can’t let a terrible night let us lose sight of a special year. This is a roster that had 42 freshmen on it. I am proud of our football team. We had a great meeting last night. We made great progress in the last three years. This is the best season that Clemson has had in 20 years. I spent time with [former Clemson head coach] Ken Hatfield. We talked about that very thing. It’s hard for him to believe that it has been 20 years. He’s lived a lifetime. This team was special. They did something that will be remembered for a long time. The team has made a ton of progress. Nobody except the guys in this room believed that we would be ACC champions, win 10 games, play in the Orange Bowl."
Dabo is correct when he says you shouldn't let the fact that he let us get our asses kicked up and down the field by GT, NC State, SC and WVU color the results of the season. We did win 10 and the ACC. Thanks Chad. Unfortunately we've looked at the snap counts of this team in several posts here, and you weren't even playing the freshmen on the field, so don't give us the "oh we had 125 freshmen" excuse.
The primary freshmen (and RS Fr) who played major snaps were Breeland, Corey Crawford, Anthony, and our WRs. The rest weren't on the field when the defense got shredded by FSU's backup QB, Maryland's backup QB, BC's 4th string RB, SC's 4th string RB, NC State's backup RB, etc. It wasn't the 3rd string D-line that couldn't control Georgia Tech's front, or couldn't get pressure on Geno Smith, who had been sacked relentlessly in Big East play. It wasn't the 2nd string OL that got Tajh planted on his ass by Troy or Wofford either. Were we young in some places? Sure, but don't give me "oh we had a roster of freshmen" excuse. You guys couldn't get some of these freshmen onto the field.
And you had to mention HATFIELD didnt you?
Dabo was asked about his coaching search, which has at least 4 candidates. The first is known to be Oklahoma's Brent Venables, who I definitely do not want, and who OU fans want rid of, but he does follow the style that Dabo prefers on defense. Venables interviewed for the HC job before Dabo was hired. Another is possibly Charlie Harbison, who I am indifferent on as the Coordinator. I know Harbison thinks some of our packages are too complex for the kids to learn, so thats a plus. He'd like to have someone before signing day, which is definite.
As of last night, I’ve made contact. When this gets out in the public, at a place like Clemson, it doesn’t take long. It’s not fun to have a job opening. There’s a lot of great people you have to say no to. You can only say yes one time. I’m just starting that process.. We’ve contacted all those guys. No issues there. No time frame as to when. Just want to make right decision for staff, players, myself and Clemson. We’ll hire a great guy, a great footballl coach and will bring a lot to the table, and will fit in the culture at Clemson and will buy into the vision that we have. I have four or five names tha are pretty special. We’ll start there."
Yanity asked what his preferred base defense would be, and he said 4-3, but his response about Odd/Even fronts is no-BS. I think we have personnel to play either and the particular style is unimportant. What is important is hiring a good coach to run the defense. His scheme does not matter.
- Dabo announced that reserve FS Carlton Lewis will graduate and transfer to another school. This is one I wasn't expecting, but I do expect another, probably Matt Sanders.
- He expects no other coaches to leave at this time. I think one or two could possibly, depending on the specialties of the DC that is hired, but its too early to guess. Venables is a LB coach.
Dabo when you first took over you expressed a desire to be physically and mentally tough, especially on the offensive line, how much progress do you think you've made there?
See those three trophies? (ACC, ACC Atlantic, Bowl trophy) We've made great strides in that area....We're developing our linemen....thats where we've made a lot of progress.... Theres a standard that we've set and you have to be physically and mentally tough to reach it.
What? Way to bullshit a question about our pitiful OL and mental strength. I guess our mental strength was apparent to him when NC State and WV were putting up 100 points in a quarter. Then he pointed to Chris Hairston as an example of our great physical abilities and praised Antoine McClain and Landon Walker. All the others he mentioned as NFL greats we've put in the league from our OL get railed on by their fans, particularly Richardson at KC.
I was expecting David Hood to ask a question about Joey Batson and Caldwell, since TNet works for the AD anyway, but I don't know his voice from the others. Can someone verify who asked this?
Alot of the toughness questions go back to Joey Batson, it seems like there are websites (HAHAHA) dedicated to it now.
"That is a joke. That’s the problem. It’s crap like that I don’t know where it comes from. People have no clue. Batson is as good a strength coach as there is in the country. I have no idea. If he wasn’t a championship caliber guy, he wouldn’t be there. The discipline and accountability we have and the reason we don’t have crap is that goes on at other places is because of Batson. They respect him. The problem with the internet is that people have their own agendas. I don’t read any of it. Zero. (lie) That’s the devil’s playground. In fact I met with Jon Gruden and with Ron jaworski- they said ‘Your guys are physical and strong. I don’t see many teams that look like your guys.’ It’s an all-encompassing program and it starts with joey. He’s as good as it is out there. As is Abernathy and Greenlee. My standard is the best and if he couldn’t live up to the best he wouldn’t be there."
On offensive line coach Robbie Caldwell and perceived problems between Caldwell and Morris
"I don't even know anything about that. Give me a break, Caldwell isn’t a good coach, he’s a great coach. We are lucky to have everyone on this staff. Everyone always has things they can improve- me and everybody.. if you can’t get along with Chad and Caldwell then you’ve got a problem."
Never heard that it was a personal problem at all, more philosophic with recruiting and motivation/discipline of the OL....and I'm thrilled if he stays. I just want to see what happens after signing day.
Another reporter asked good questions at the end about toughness
How do you prevent losing again like you did this year, its almost like, in those 4 losses, you hit Clemson in the mouth and you've got them where you want them?
Did you watch the games? It starts with taking care of the football. That affects your momentum, your psyche. Come turn on the film and say Brandon Thompson aint tough. We just got beat. Did you predict us to be 14-0?
Did I? No.
OK, did you predict us to be 10-4?
I thought possibly.
OK, you need tough guys to get it done. You dont win 10 games if youre not tough. You dont win in Blacksburg if you aint tough. We had the 2nd largest comeback in the history of this school. At Maryland, 18 down. Came back from 14 3 times, Never been done. Get your facts right.
Fantastic Dabo, laud them for coming back to win games they should've won without a doubt in the first place. Auburn? OK. Not Maryland.
LW asked him offline, after the Assistant SID hurried him out of the room because of the heat, about the comments made by WVU players about our OL. He dismissed it totally as internet stuff.
Welcome to my playground.
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Great Article
Dabo’s just gonna Dabo ain’t he? He can’t help himself. What an ass clown. I especially liked the part about philosophy change but no philosophy change.
Batson
With all the personnel in the Athletic Department, surely there is a place to put Joey Batson. He could be in charge of something. We simply are not going to be better if the level of toughness and agility does not rise!
That was embarrassing.
I’m afraid this could be his lone 10-win season, just like with DuBose and Shula.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 13, 2012 9:32 PM EST reply actions
and he's at the bottom of the pyramid
of course he’s not quite as dumb as he looks, he knows there are reasons to be a male cheerleader, to wit:

wow.....just wow.
great article.
I was hoping for more from our HC……that was just painful and disappointing to watch/read.
Kickin' the hornet's nest
and throwing a Hatfield reference in for good measure.
This doesn't know Clemson football history does he?
Evoking the Hatfield era…he better watch out. That was a four year deal.
watched the presser today..
Like every presser i cant finish watching due to somehow getting more pissed at dablow every time. Each presser gets worse and worse. We have become the university of excuses and softness… Does dablow realize if he played in any other conference than ACC or big east that his team would be battling .500?! Maybe i just need to stop caring so much and become 3 hour saturday clemson fan guy. It’ll save years of my life and my heart would thank me. Go lap an egg dablow!
by btallon on Jan 13, 2012 10:01 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Just wish....
Dabo would quit making excuses. We played soft, lost more games than we should have, and were embarrassed on tv. Thank god more people were watching jersey shore. Clean house man up, and get the toughness back to clemson
by Clemfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:16 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I wish he'd be smart enough to not bite back against his fans
He says he doesnt read whats on the internet then says all the Caldwell/OLmen quitting/Batson is internet stuff.
Well how the fuck do you know about it if you dont read the internet or dont have Don Munson print shit off for you to read?
just need to blow up the whole university
and start all over from scratch.. beginning with pres, board members on down. ridiculous
When this coaching gig is over with...
Dickbo is gonna make one hell of a good ’ol boy politician.
Oh yeah, and Fuck You, Swinney.
Quack motherfucking QUACK.
You said your agenda was to win some fucking football games?
But then you keep overlooking the 10 wins and championship this season for the first time in a really long time?
Yes, Dabo, the grand idiot, manages to get that done in just a few years. Really, it happened. Even though he is apparently the biggest dumbass in all the world.
Exceeded what was expected this year, and even met your criteria for what was demanded, except for losing to USC, but you are still all over him just as much as last year at 6-7.
Honestly, if we won the national championship would you still be bitching this much?
I know you said you don’t pump sunshine, but jesus christ 10-4 and first title in 20 years and it’s like it’s a losing season.
And you bitch as much, if not more, than me
In every post you make. Pot meet kettle
by DrB on Jan 14, 2012 2:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not even close dude. I don't criticze the coach for every single statement he makes.
But regardless, not pumping sunshine all the time is cool. But that doesn’t mean you have to pump shit all the time either.
Swinney is the coach, like it or not, and you clearly don’t like it. However, this teams’s results were better than any Clemson team’s results in decades. Did they have some bitch worthy screwups along the way? Absolutely. Plenty of stupid stuff. Plenty of embarassing crap. Plenty of room for improvement.
But they also did some good things. And even if you give all the credit to Morris, who found and hired Morris? Swinney did that. Without dumbass Dabo, there would be no genius Morris,
He also moved out Napier after a shitty offensive year, and moved out Steele after a shitty defensive year, and hired the OL coach that some said is the best around. And pulled in a top notch recruiting class even after a shitty 6-7 season. And then won 10 and the ACC for the first time in 20 years. So maybe he is not a complete useless dumbass..
So really, it is better than a 6-7 season. Try to see some of the bright side. It can be a lot worse than 10-4 and conference champs.
I can see your post record
Everything you say is negative, you just dont write whole articles about it.
And I didnt forget that we got the ACC and 10, thats why its on the site banner. You want reflection and consideration of the whole season’s results, you can wait for the season review post. I’m writing about the press conference, and he deserves what I say about him for this shit.
If you want to highlight everything we do right in every post that talks about everything we do wrong, then you write them. I’m not writing 5000 words explaining how great the season was when he jumps all over his own fanbase in a press conference.
Lotta good
this season, but Dabo has turned us into nat’l joke. Hes a great salesman, not great coach. I will admit, hes accomplished more than I thought he ever cld. However, even with winning ACC, it still feels like we underachieved after the great start. And losing to the chickens AGAIN is unacceptable. That in itself shld get him shown the door. Since hes been coach, USuC has left us in the dust. They have owned Dabo, & that is UNACCEPTABLE!
by TigerFan74 on Jan 14, 2012 1:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
4 Fucking blow out losses and not even showing up after the 1st quarter of the Orange Bowl...and not to mention
Dabo’s embarrassing antics after some big wins. Those things make it feel like a losing season.
by Sean McGarity on Jan 14, 2012 5:59 AM EST up reply actions
Can't overlook the success of this past season
We should take pride in the fact that we won 10 games, FINALLY won the ACC (primarily to me because it was soooo long overdue), and also beat Auburn for the first time in decades. However, we can’t bury our head in the sand and assume that we’ve “arrived”. Unfortunately, Dabo appears to feel that way with the following quote:
“The bottom line is Clemson is back, and we ain’t going nowhere.”
I have a big-time problem with that. Finishing the season ranked 22nd in the country and getting dominated by USC for the 3rd straight year is ‘back’? I think this was a good season, and for non-Clemson fans I’m sure it seemed like all was well, but there are still some major issues. I feel like we rose up from 6 wins to 10 wins quickly and we can fall right back to 6 (or so) wins just as fast. We got some good and bad breaks this year, the biggest of which was probably that Auburn, VT and FSU probably weren’t as good as many predicted them to be (although VT was probably the least regarded of those three in the preseason).
Dabo is right that we need more consistency, no question. However, I very much question his ability to do that. He’s very emotional, seems to wear his accomplishments on his sleeve, and if he thinks we’re ‘back’ we’ve got a loooong way to go. This just reminded me of his jumping around antics on the sidelines at Auburn when you’d have thought we had won the game in the 2nd quarter. He also seems highly defensive in his presser, to me, even his delivery of positive information and reasons for optimism sound like he’s trying to sell the program to the media.
by judge jeff davis on Jan 14, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
I think he is a positive guy and will always present things as good
He is seldom going to call out a player in a PC. He is going to say we are making the right changes, improvements, getting better, headed in the right direction.
I think he feels that 10 wins and the ACC is some validation of that. Must have done something right to win 10 and the conference, right? Can’t be all a complete failure.
I think he is trying to sell the program at every opportunity, you are right. He basically said as much on his call in show. He views that as his job. He is always trying to sell it, present it in a positive light, build it up, make it look great, and get people excited about it. He wants people talking about Clemson, giving money to Clemson, excited about Clemson, andmost importantly the top players enrolling there. Clemson probably got more positive coverage on TV this year than the last 10 put together.
I don’t know
Luckily for Dabo, our bad losses got over shadowed by
other teams bad losses. For example the goose egg LSU dropped in the NC game after get killed in the Orange Bowl; Ark and Auburn get smacked around the weekend we lose to USC; Okla St loses to Iowa after the NC State game….I think the guys at ESPN that are picking us in top 5 next year might have forgot about those games.
They dont look and see we lose 4 of 5 OL and 3 of 4 DL. No way we are top 5 caliber
and all the early hype is just going to fuel the fires when we drop a few next year and go 8-4. Called “pulling another Clemson”.
We're allowed to bitch and moan,
but I do not want to hear the HC doing it. That old ass in Columbia throws his guys under the bus at every oppotunity, and it makes me sick. I much prefer that the coach leave that to the fans. No one can argue that Dabo hasn’t done more in 3 years than has been done there in the previous 20.
Is her perfect? Hell no he’s not. But he sure as shit isn’t justbsitting around like Bowden wonderinf why we suck. He’s making hard moves, and they are producing results.
That being said, I sure hope he doesn’t hire Venables. That dude is as unimpressive as they get. I would love to see Shannon here.
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut."
Ernest Hemingway
by DorchesterCat on Jan 14, 2012 6:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Obviously you can tell my allegiance by my sn
But there is not a fine line between throwing your guys under the bus and thinking all is stupendous. A HC needs to find himself accountable for his actions and his teams productions. Dabo doesn’t say the team quit on him. He says they are a strong bunch of tough guys. But in refering to Scott Van Pelts One Big Thing when talking about the UNC blowout loss to FSU, “Championship teams don’t have it in their DNA to get blown out like that. At some point pride takes over and you get yourself back into the game” In more then one game this year the team essentially tanked. Thats unacceptable to just gloss over.
I think the orange bowl changes the picture
Had we come out and taken care of business then DrB’s criticisms might be too much. We do have youth at QB and a lack of depth everywhere which would make the late season decline somewhat explainable. However after righting the ship in the championship game and a fucking month to prepare what we saw in Miami is totally inexcusable answers are needed. Dabo’s bullshit presser responses also warrant every bit of wrath this site sends his way.
What was our best win?
A home victory over an 8-4 FSU team that was without their starting QB? Home against a 7-5 Auburn team? Or beating a VT team twice that didn’t have a signature win all season? I’d say VT, because it was on the road, but they were not a very good football team this year.
It’s easy to point to the record, which was good, but sometimes it’s more important to dig down into the details. 4 blowout losses, which included our 3rd straight blowout loss to USC, and a myriad of wins against average football teams doesn’t really impress IMO.
by ggggmen08 on Jan 14, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well there's definitely one thing you can say for Dabo
He certainly knows how to insult his fan base. What he SHOULD understand is that the people who take time to read and write on “the devils playground” are not the Saturday fans who don their orange and white for a few hours each week. These are the tried and true fans who really give a damn about the school and the program.
The articles I read here (and at a few other sites) are both insightful and well thought out. The responses (while sometimes certainly sarcastic) are posted because people care and are frustrated by what they see or don’t see.
I hope Dabo has this read to him by Munson. Not that it would do any good.
if we didn't love Clemson there would be no STS
We long for the days when every article about the alma mater is positive. We want Clemson to succeed more than anyone…that is the reason this site started in the first place
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by FIGUREFOUR on Jan 14, 2012 4:36 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
for that very reason ,
most of us here who really care about Clemson love and appreciate STS for what it is – which I personally beleive is fair and objective . I know some things seem negative at times , but after what Tiger fans have endured over the last two decades I beleive we deserve answers , not sunshine pumping . STS is and has given praise when it is warranted , and never have I read any post on here that was undeservingly negative .
Great job too all at STS in my opinion , and thanks . Keep up the good , and necessary work you do . You rock .
So, is the implication...
…that those who don’t read/post here (or other online sites) aren’t “tried and true fans who really give a damn about the school and the program?” I’m a Clemson fan through marriage, but I’m the only one in our family who reads or comments online about the team and the university. And yet, our family’s relationship with the university stretches back eight decades, including All-American football players, head cheerleaders, staff members on the NC team, numerous degrees from the university, season tickets to every sport and an aggregate amount of donations probably in the $100s of thousands.
Perhaps I misunderstood your post, and if so, I’m sorry for my confusion, but if I didn’t, I think it’s a mistake to write off the fans who don’t participate online.
Meet it is I set it down that one may smile, and smile, and be a villain--Hamlet, I, v
One other thing...
Dabo said that he is all about excellence, and if Batson wasn’t excellent at what he does, then he would be gone. It seems that I read here that the S&C did not work for Dabo, that Batson was responsible for S&C for all the athletic programs at CU. That being the case, doesn’t that make Dabo a ________ (isn’t there a name for the pyschological disorder where you have delusions of granduer and the belief that you are fully in control of the situation?)
Maybe Dabo won’t want this post read to him.
One big wish for 2012
NO MORE DAMN CATCH PHRASES/TAG LINES. “Shock the World Tour” sounded ridiculous as soon as it left anyone’s mouth, and “All In” got really corny quick too. Same goes for “Tweet that”; I saw some fans with shirts that said that at the Orange Bowl and all that rant really did was make Dabo seem like a whiny little bitch who just got his ass whipped. Not that I disagreed with all of it, because there are some SC fans that have an extremely heightened sense of their accomplishments, but we are in their rear view right now and their program is right to feel that way until we do something about it.
And did Dabo have to apologize for saying ‘crap’ yesterday at his press conference?? Really?? Crap?? Was Bob Jones in the audience?
I don’t think alot of this is really on Dabo. Some of it is, a lot is, but I just think that we have become one of the most PC athletic programs in the country. I really think the Bowden hire was really the transformation from the Howard/Ford Clemson of tough, hard-nosed teams that left it all on the field, to the overtalented teams that just don’t have whatever it is to get the job done. I think much of that is on the common denominators of this era: Barker, TDP, and also Batson.
by judge jeff davis on Jan 14, 2012 10:56 AM EST reply actions
If it makes you feel better, FSU has had some horrible ones the last few years
“This is our time” became “NOW” probably becoming “Maybe not NOW, but OUR TIME is APPROACHING”
Please don't use
We’ll get there—eventually. And when you’re at it, forget Pound the Rock, Hit the Beach, Let’s Roll, All In, and any other overused slogan a coach or PR department can come up with. How ‘bout just physically kick your man’s ass all day long instead?
by Smoked Pork Butt on Jan 18, 2012 2:13 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
VT still ranked higher than us?
Not to take away from the press conference ire, but how is Va Tech ranked above us at the end of this year? Yes I realize we got straight up punished in the Orange Bowl, but Va Tech lost their bowl game too… and we crushed them twice. But still they’re ranked higher in each of the three polls. This annual inflation of Tech’s ranking needs to stop, especially for the sake of us Clemson alums living in Hokie country.
Brent Venables
Hey Dr. B, and anyone else out there who is knowledgable on this topic, I was just curious as to why you aren’t a fan of Venables? I can kinda see why because Oklahoma has underperformed almost yearly and their defenses haven’t been the same since Mike Stoops left. I’ve heard from Chris Brown at smart football that one of the better things to do would be to call Manny Diaz at Texas and see who he recommends. And if for some reason Dabo gets the boot in a year or two do you think we could get Charlie Strong as HC?
That is why you don't want Venables
Loads of talent at OU and the results simply don’t match the the talent available. OU fans are very pleased to have Stoops back as co-DC and would not shed a tear if Venables left.
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by FIGUREFOUR on Jan 14, 2012 3:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's what worries me. Venebles is a big name, but when you dig a little deeper
you see their defenses have gone downhill every year since Stoops left. Also, you see their fans begging for us to hire him away. Kind of like Bama fans begging us to hire Steele after their season. Kind of like us begging UT to hire Steele away after this year. How good is a guy when their fanbase is begging for him to get hired away?
I tend to watch OU a good bit
not always Live, but later in the week. I see their fronts as very good and aggressive, but the backend of the defense is just horrible compared to where it was, and it has even better talent than it once did. I think since Venables took the full DC job, they’ve taken a big step back, and I think complexity of his defensive package is a culprit.
I dont have any problem with his style or philosophy. I just dont think they’ve gotten it together despite great players up front and at LB.
I did see some stat
about how OU had 5 All-American DBs in a 3 or 4 year span before Mike Stoops left after 2003, after that only 1. Complexity of the defense being a culprit is not what I would like to hear. I’m not sold on Bill Clark either. I would be fine with Shannon. Honestly I wish Dabo would take a look at someone in the NFL like Hoke did with Mattison. They turned that defense around with the players that were awful under Rich Rod. But thats probably asking too much
by Spencer York on Jan 14, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure about that approach
I think Steele’s defense would have looked pretty good in the big? whatever the hell you call it now. Venables may not be a step down from Steele but am hardly sold on it being an upgrade. Only thing I can hope is that Stoops was pulling a lot of the strings and that was causing the over complexity at OU if we hire him. One thing I do like about the guy is he seems to bring good energy to the sideline.
I'm not sure about Steele
Steele doesn’t tend to do well against up tempo, throw the ball all over the place offenses like you see out there. Texas Tech beating him 60-11 cost him his job. Now, Baylor never really had much talent but if his time at Baylor and the Orange Bowl should us anything, its that OU, Okie State, Baylor, possibly Mizzou, A&m, and Tech would rack up tons of yards on his defense. Okie State went 12-1 because their defense was able to force turnovers. Out there you have to force the opponent to drop behind the 8ball so to speak by forcing a turnover or getting a rare stop every now and then
by Spencer York on Jan 15, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
oh no I agree with you
I was talking about the Michigan D coordinator in the big10. Steele would be butt raped in the big12 no doubt.
Im sick
of Dabo. Knew we were n trouble when he was given gig full time. He did win ACC, which I never thought he cld, but he actually made us a natl laughingstock in process. We r a joke to the rest of country & he is solely responsible. Wonder if we’d still b getting questioned about our toughness had we hired, uh, I dont know, lets say Bud Foster?
by TigerFan74 on Jan 14, 2012 12:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Don't get me wrong,
Because I love his intensity, but maybe there’s a reason ’ol Bud has never gotten a HC gig. Intensity in a HC gets you Muschamp, and he was more entertaining on the sideline than his team on the field.
by Smoked Pork Butt on Jan 14, 2012 5:12 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Venables
is on campus now. I hear it’s his to take or leave.
by Boilingspringstiger on Jan 14, 2012 5:26 PM EST reply actions
fuck!!!
This seems like it is just a lateral move and has the same shortcommings as Steele. Expect more of the same especially if no changes are made to S&C if he turns out to be the hire. At least we might be rid of Dabo while Morris is still around, we could then promote the right guy from within the staff.
I tend to agree we tend toward darkness pumping over here, but
I can deal with it I suppose. I haven’t even worn orange once since grad school restarted and people are like “dude, I didn’t know you owned things other than orange.” I do think this is a bit over the top that. Calling the guy an ass clown, dablow, should be fired for bud foster, etc. is just reactive and silly. Even if Dabo is nationally regarded as silly, at least we are nationally relevant. More than we can say for the past 20 years. I live right in the middle of SESHEEE country and this is the FIRST year in a LOOOONG time people see us as legitimate at all. Most people here have no idea where Clemson is or that it is even a public school. (Nashville, TN btw) So, I see this season as a 6-5 team with a ton of problem to an overachieving team with less problems. Now, lets get some more improvement. I just think these kids are so damn immature and unpredictable these days that it is sooo tough to get consistency. Ok, stream of consciousness done
I didn’t mean I wanted Foster as HC. He was only name that popped n my head at moment who was considered. Dabo has done some good things, but like Bowden hes having to learn on job. I hate being my school being the joke of the entire sport. I hate he scripts a speech to put down our rival cuz he cant compete on field with them. Its an embarrassment, which is why I, like you haven’t worn orange since OB.
by TigerFan74 on Jan 14, 2012 7:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Darkness pumping, no...
Reality pumping, definitely. Dr B and FF pointed out the lack of fundamentals and physicality before the season started, and it got worse as the season progressed. It is was it is, and what was bad was so bad that it overshadowed anything that was good. 70 points and a third straight loss to the ’Cocks is inexcusable and must be told as such.
by Smoked Pork Butt on Jan 18, 2012 2:22 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Dablow Swinney
The head coach of my alma mater is an arrogant, cocky, loud mouth jackass. I am so tired of his mouth and his war against the fan base. It is garbage. I don’t care if he wins 10 the next 5 years, which I don’t think he will….but he and his mouth will cost him his job, at least I hope.
Win with with class and quit running your mouth. When your team gets rolled step up and take it. He is a coward. The whole I am not gonna talk about the OB much is garbage.
And so is he. Screw him and the horse he rode in on.
nc.
Question about Dabo
Does anyone know how the team views him? Is he the kind of coach that players really want to play for and would run the a wall for? I’m curious if anyone knows any players, has any inside info, etc. on that. Ultimately, regardless of what we say the problem is/isn’t, that might be the biggest factor in his success here.
by judge jeff davis on Jan 15, 2012 12:24 AM EST reply actions
3.5 years after Bowden it's still the same soft, inconsistent, fringe-Top 25 team it's been for over a decade. We were just lucky to catch a down ACC & injury-plagued FSU.
The ACC really sucked this year.
- The ACC was 0-9 against non-conference teams that finished in the AP Top 25.
- The ACC was 2-6 in bowls. (5th straight losing season.)
- The ACC was 0-2 in BCS bowls. (2-13 all-time).
- The ACC champ got disgraced 70-33 by the Big East champ (5-2, Big East).
- The ACC Coastal champ got beat by Big Ten Legends runner-up (not champ).
- The ACC finished last among the 6 BCS conferences in Sagarin rankings.
(In the previous 10 years, the ACC ranked, reverse chronologically, 4, 4, 3, 5, 5, 4, 2, 1, 1, 4.)
I’m happy that Clemson finally won 10 games and the ACC. (Big monkey off the back.) But when you play 14 games, 10 wins isn’t what it used to be. And (based on Sagarin) Clemson won the weakest ACC in a decade, in part by catching FSU when their star QB and several of their best players were injured. On the other hand, there were 11 ACC teams that didn’t win the ACC and 98 teams below Clemson in the final AP poll.
Clemson’s offense was better than the latter Bowden years, but the defense was far worse—hence Steele’s ouster. Clemson remained so inconsistent & upset-prone that "pulling a Clemson" became cemented into the nation’s sports lexicon. Clemson finished #22 in the AP, but Bowden finished #22 or higher 4 times between 2000-2007.
So as Ronald Reagan famously asked about the Carter administration, “Are you better off now than you wer 4 years ago?” Is the program any better or just fortunate to take advantage of a down ACC and a down FSU, and get one more win than Bowden got in his 9-win seasons? I think Clemson is still the same kind of too-soft, inconsistent team that recruits really well, but then gives up more than its reasonable share of upsets to teams with clearly inferior talent (like GT & NCSU), but now, unlike the latter Bowden years, Clemson also gets whupped badly by teams with comparable or inferior talent (like NCSU, SCar & WVU).
Much like Boise State gets high rankings for running a weak conference schedule, I think that ACC teams get over-ranked from playing a soft ACC schedule— which lulls us into a false sense of accomplishment beating that comes crashing down when play non-conference games against decent competition.
Over the Bowden/Dabo years, Clemson is 1-13 vs. non-conference teams that FINISHED in the AP Top 25:
2011: 0-2. #9 SCar, #17 WVU.
2010: 0-2, #1 Aub, #22 SCar (with a loss to USF).
2009: 0-1, #6 TCU.
2008: 0-1, #6 Bama (with a loss to Nebraska).
2007: 0-1, #15 Auburn.
2006: 0-0, (With losses to SCar & UK.)
2005: 0-0
2004: 0-0, (With a loss to TxAM.)
2003: 1-1, Loss to #7 UGA. Beat #15 Tenn. Yay!)
2002: 0-1, #3 UGA (with spanking from TxTech).
2001: 0-1, #13 SCar.
2000: 0-1, #6 VT.
1999: 0-2, #2 VT, #13 MissST.
Dabo is 0-5. Bowden was 1-8.
As a frame of reference, Clemson’s 12-0, 1981 team (in addition to beating #9 UNC) beat 2 non-con teams that FINISHED in the AP Top 20: #6 UGA & #11 Nebraska. In that year alone, Clemson had more such Top 20 wins than Dabo & Bowden had in the last 13 years combined! Overall Danny was 5-7 against teams that finished ranked in the AP poll. We may be ACC champs, but we’re not great.
I’m an ‘84 grad. I was there when we were great. I just want Clemson to be great again. I think it’s obvious that Clemson needs a great coach to be great. I think it’s also obvious that Dabo is not a great coach. He’s not bad. He’s got some good points. But he’s not great, and so Clemson won’t be great. Under Dabo, we’ll likely remain a fringe-Top 25-ish team, just like we’ve been since they fired Danny.
by RazzMcTazz on Jan 15, 2012 3:55 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
Perfect. Exactly the point.
That spelled it out perfectly, IMO.
by judge jeff davis on Jan 15, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
well said and researched Razz!
…and 10 wins ain’t shit anymore. That should be the minimum expectation period!
by Tiger Rag Fishing Team on Jan 15, 2012 11:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Speaking of stats
Does anyone know if stats are kept for short yardage plays/conversions? I would love to know how we have performed on 2nd, 3rd and 4th and short (ex. 3 yards or less) over the past, say, 5-10 years. We always feel like we never convert, and it definitely doesn’t feel like we do, but I’d just like to know what our actual rate is. Any idea if this is kept anywhere?
by judge jeff davis on Jan 15, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Really.....
Is Clemson really about to spend 880,000 for Venable??? We are paying about that for Steele to no longer provide his services…
Venables
I have heard now that it’s his. They going over semantics and will announce today or tomorrow..
by Boilingspringstiger on Jan 15, 2012 4:54 PM EST reply actions
Orange and White
Just went there and they saying pretty much the same thing. I dont’ see him turning it down.
by Boilingspringstiger on Jan 15, 2012 4:58 PM EST reply actions
If they're having Venables talk to recruits (as O&W reported) then it's a done deal.
And the lawyers are finishing up the details while the PR department readies the spin.
Venables may be an upgrade, but his record seems to be a mixed bag, Here are some interesting stats.
Scoring Defense Rank:
2011: #31 (Venables)
2010: #33 (Venables)
2009: #7 (Venables)
2008: #58 (Venables)
2011: #81 (Steele)
2010: #13 (Steele)
2009: #25 (Steele)
2008: #13 (Koenning)
2007: #10 (Koenning)
2006: #16 (Koenning)
2005: #11 (Koenning)
3rd down conversions allowed:
2011: #5, 30.5% (Venables)
2010: #11, 33.6% (Venables)
2009: #8, 30.0% (Venables)
2008: #39, 36.4% (Venables)
2011: #73, 41.0% (Steele)
2010: #49, 38.5% (Steele)
2009: #64, 39.0% (Steele)
2008: #46, 37.2% (Koenning)
2007: #36, 36.0% (Koenning)
2006: #46, 36.3% (Koenning)
2005: #32, 35.2% (Koenning)
Thanks Razz
The third down % is actually pretty impressive, much better than us I would imagine. Also need to consider that the offenses he faced were potentially much better on average? Not so sure but seems believable. Honestly believe he is lateral move at best in terms of defensive mind but holding out hope that he proves a much better teacher. Lot of OU fans complain about his in game adjustments which is the one thing I give Steele credit for doing very well.
My favorite part?
Using a compliment from Gruden as proof of the attribute in question. If Gruden were narrating a WW2 documentary, he’d probably compliment Belgium’s dedication and toughness, too.
Exactly.
Expecting brilliant insight out of Gruden is like waiting for Dick Vitale to make a negative comment about Duke. Ain’t gonna happen. But it’s just like Dabo to latch onto a positive PR blurb from some over-paid suit who has barely watched Clemson while dismissing game-attending fans who have been supporting Clemson for decades and know toughness when they see it. Notice if it’s criticism that doesn’t fall in with his “All In” slogan than its just “internet” stuff, but if it’s some throw-away comment from an ESPN mouthpiece then it’s Gospel. Dabo just can’t help reverting to his real estate background: even in the worst housing market in decades, the real estate industry smoke-blowers try to con you into believing that it’s a lot better than it really is and that great days are just around the corner. Same with Dabo and the “toughness” issue. Now that Coastal Carolina has fired that clown David Bennett, Dabo is the most embarrassing coach in the Southeast (if not the country) when he gets in front of a microphone.
by TopTwentyPonziScheme on Jan 16, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Like any school, it's all positive PR spin from Dabo, et al. But the spin that cracks me up the most is this...
They’ll tell you how they exceeded the media’s expectations, but they won’t tell you that Clemson has more player-talent than practically every opponent (except the comparably talented FSU), and that the only reason that the media’s expectations are always low is because of Clemson’s long history of getting beat by teams with inferior player-talent.
I mean seriousy, I want to laugh every time that Dabo or TDP says, “We exceeded the media’s expectations…” or “Nobody picked us…” If you don’t screw up as bad as the media thinks you’re gonna screw up, you pat yourself on the back. Cracks me up.
Agree with most of the posts above
I like Dabo, I think I’ve made that clear through most of my posts. I think he is a good man, but I’m becoming more and more concerned that he is not a good football coach. His antics, catch phrases, rants, touchy feely crap, and general bullshit are getting old.
Just go win the damn football games and quit with the marketing, hype, and salesmanship. We’re soft, go hire someone to fix that. Our defense is confused, go hire someone to fix that.
We have had our asses handed to us and embarassed in the worst ways possible this November. Man up, take responsibility, and toughen up.
On a cursory look, it seems like Shannon would be a better choice.
1) As a DC, Shannon’s scoring defenses were ranked higher.
2001-2006, Shannon’s Ds’ ranked: 1, 22, 22, 13, 4, 4.
2006-2011, Venables’ D’s ranked: 19, 19, 58, 7, 33, 31.
2) Shannon is well respected as a recruiter in FL, so he would likely bring in much more talent from FL than Venables could get to come all the way from OK or TX. (Clemson & some ACC games are manageable drives for players’ families in FL.)
3) Venables is already on the short list for head coaching jobs. If he has instant success at Clemson, he’d be an immediate flight risk. Shannon (although successful as a DC) underwhelmed as HC at Miami, and so it seems less likely that he’d get recruited for a worthwhile FBS HC job (much like Groh, Koenning, Steele, et al, now seem stuck as DCs after unsuccessful HC stints).
4) After a bad first try against GT’s option attack, Shannon (as HC) held GT to 17 & 10 pts.
Hard to really say, both guys had massive amounts of top not talent
OU’s defense has really gone to crap the last few years. Not sure Venebles is any better than steele. Steele’s defense last year was solid but with 8-9 NFL guys on it, it shoulda been excellent.
I remember some of those OU defenses being awesome, but then they had a roster full of NFL guys. Same with Miami, miami always has studs on defense.
Found this on a Sooners Msg board, sounds like they want what we want
I don’t really care.
What I WOULD like to see is:
1. Pressure on opposing QBs
2. Plugging the bleeding hole that is our middle
3. A cessation of arm tackling
It has been far too long since anyone in the entirety of college football looked at OU’s defense and did anything other than smirk. We desperately need to get back to the days when opposing players knew they would leave the field either beaten or on gurneys.
LOL reading those three wishes, sounds just like Clemson fans. Pretty sure Venables is not going to be the miracle cure that Dumbo is looking for.
Reading the transcript of the presser.
Seems like the pressure is getting to Dabo. No prior experience to this kind of scrutiny/exposure. It has been culminating all season and now he has created a public character he can not escape. I don’t see this ending well.
by Fruitful_adventurez&cogent_remembers on Jan 17, 2012 7:42 AM EST reply actions
DrB or FF
maybe if you post some favorable reviews of DCs not named Venables, Coach Munson will be kind enough to show it to Dabo and it’ll give him some ideas.
by PenthouseTiger on Jan 17, 2012 10:37 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Maybe, since he usually does what the
Internet tells him to anyway
by DrB on Jan 17, 2012 7:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

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