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Morris Era Begins with Rocky Start as Tigers Defeat Troy

There is one word I would use to describe this team based on the performance I saw up front on both sides today: SOFT.

Thankfully we can out-cat most of the opponents on our schedule, like we did today, because we got our asses handed to us up front on both sides of the ball. Even after the offense got things clicking in the late 3rd quarter, you never got the feeling that we were dominating up front. The defensive line never quite got there either. That is what worries me most going forward. Troy was hurt by graduation losses up front just as we were, and they could still get pressure on Boyd and could stop our DL, so what gives? Whose coaches did their jobs better in game prep?

But its not time to lose your minds, not yet. I expected some teething issues, and this won't be the toughest game we have this season by far. We just have plenty of concerns that I expect to get fixed in coming weeks. When problems get better week to week, then and only then do you know you have good coaches.

We have been on the Caldwell wagon since before he got here. I know he's been a good coach, but the OL got their asses kicked today and theres no excuse for it. I have said several times to those that defend Joey Batson that our functional strength sucks, and it was showcased today. We have more talent than Troy does up front, we're stronger than Troy up front, and we couldn't punch it in from the 1 yard line. We have shown you that the new offense is an A-gap-to-A-gap system inside, and we didn't get a damn thing inside. Our zone game sucked. Antoine McClain watched the Troy DL have a field day, except that he watched it from 6 inches away and not the sideline. Freeman and Smith didn't get it done either, and when Cloy went in, he got stood up too. I wonder, will we hear Landon Walker bragging about the pride the right side takes in their zone blocking this week? 

But the offenses struggles weren't just from the OLine's inability to move people smaller than themselves. Tajh royally sucked in the first half (6/12). I was a bit surprised at how he still threw too many balls into double (and triple on the INT) coverage and again fumbled the ball. Thankfully, it did appear to be mostly jitters and he settled down to have a very nice 2nd half (20/30 overall). We had the one drive at the end of the 3rd quarter that was impressive and he wasn't trying too hard to make things happen. I think by this point that Troy's DL was a bit gassed. The offense finally seemed to settle into the up-tempo we've been hearing about. Thats the kind of improvement we need to see next week.

As far as the other players on offense, I don't think anyone can question the ability of Sammy Watkins or Mike Bellamy, both of whom scored the first time they touched the ball from scrimmage. Both of them are special. Andre Ellington had a good day when he was given a block.

Defensively, Jesus Christ I saw some shitty tackling. Troy would've scored 10 fewer points if we could tackle today. I hesitate to say we got zero pressure, because Malliciah Goodman was in the backfield with Branch early, but they weren't getting to the ball and weren't making plays. When Troy ran the ball, they got enough yardage to keep us on our heels. That should not have happened. Brandon Thompson was fighting a double-team from the first snap onwards, but Rennie Moore and Tavaris Barnes did nothing at all of note and I was very disappointed. Rennie in particular should've mauled these guys. Again, I think this points to Batson and our functional strength. Blitzes were largely ineffective.

For the most part we were in a nickel set, with some more 3-4 in the 2nd half. When we examine the film we'll make note of some specifics. I hope you noticed that we were using Andre Branch in a similar way to Bowers against spread teams last year. We were in a 3-3 set, with Branch at an inside 'backer spot and effectively blitzing every play inside up the B-gap. He wasn't in coverage too much, but again we'll look at his usage this week.

I was expecting them to get roughly 250 yards passing. Troy has a competent OC and HC. Corey Robinson is not a bad QB. I did not think they would get more against Brewer or Sensabaugh however, and I didn't think the tackling in the open field would be as poor as it was. Like TCU last night, I felt like more blame goes to the FS/SS than will be given. The TD pass at the end of the first half could've been prevented by Meeks. Hall was listed with a sprained MCL but should be fine, and you better pray because Carlton Lewis ain't gonna get it done.

Catman had a nice game with the 3 long FGs, this was encouraging. However, as you all may remember from last year, I WILL KILL A KICKER THAT MISSES AN EXTRA POINT.THERE IS NEVER AN EXCUSE FOR IT.

Bottom line, we have work to do. Wofford will only tell us about defensive discipline. We need to get alot better with tackling very soon, and we need to get the linemen (on both sides) to get their shit together. Our coaches made good adjustments at halftime, which is a source of encouragement going forward.

Oh and ESPN 3 blows.

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Batson, OL and DL--the biggest storyline of the game

at least Boyd settled down. But this one looks far better on paper than in person.

by mdlusk on Sep 3, 2011 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head

Besides our lack of physicallity, I think the thing that disappointed me the most was the shitty tackling. The biggest positives I take away from this game are our coaches abilities to make halftime adjustments and the play of our freshmen and improvement of our WRs.

In regards to the lack of physical play from the lines, I’m not saying coaching and preparation wasn’t a problem for this game, but don’t these guys have any pride in themselves as individuals or in their school? How long do you let a guy push you around before you stand up and say “Hey, I’m tired of this guy making me look bad and I’m going to push him back.” Also, if I’m playing for Clemson University and I see that chode of a head coach for Troy on the sideline with that stupid fucking smirk on his face, I’m going to do everything in my power to wipe it off. You’re representing Clemson University. You’re playing in Death Valley. That means something. And if you don’t understand that, then you’re in the wrong place.

So while coaching and conditioning may be a problem, I think maybe the bigger problem is that we recruited guys with no pride.

by MST3King on Sep 3, 2011 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Interior O-line play was very troubling...

The couple times we got beat bad off the edge I’m not too surprised, that DE of theirs is a good player and considering I thought Price played about as well as I thought he was capable. But the inability of our gaurds to move their smaller tackles AT ALL was pathetic. Thank God Ellington is great at hitting through a tiny seam at speed, or we wouldn’t be able to run the ball.

by harcumcs on Sep 3, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

We defintely did not look like an inside running team

There were plenty of problems, but in the end, the team managed to overcome a putrid excuse for a 1st half to do whatever was needed to come out winning by 24 points.

Robbie Caldwell, you got some ’splainin to do.

by Cristo on Sep 3, 2011 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Functional Strength?

I’m guessing you’ve never actually been a strength coach, have you B? This is going to be a long post since this is sort of up my alley.

Strength is strength, and it’s always functional with regards to itself. “Functional strength” is a buzzword concocted by hucksters selling sports-specific gimmicks and has no place in a high level football team’s physical preparation program. Ever seen the “Jammer”? Attempting to mimic sporting movements in the weight room with added resistance demonstrates thorough ignorance of the preparation process and the biomechanical circumstances of sport.

I know you’re super keen on trashing Batson, since you do it pretty frequently, but can you really explain or even describe the methods he’s using to prepare athletes? The principles he’s using are the same as the ones being used across the nation at top 25 football programs and NFL teams, including the Patriots, Packers, Ohio State, etc. I know specifically what he’s doing and I can tell you that it’s industry standard. As a matter of fact, if you talk to any of the preparation coaches from other schools, they all hold Batson in high regard and the only place you ever see him getting trashed is on Clemson blogs by posters who haven’t been in a competitive weight room since they were in high school.

Physical preparation for football boils down to two basic elements: general physical preparation (GPP) and specific physical preparation (SPP). GPP is developed in the weight room and track SPP is developed on the practice field where those general capacities are transferred (or not) into specific ends via specific means (in this case, playing football). If a guard is soft and getting pushed around, then the amount of strength he possesses is only tangentially relevant. If a car has 500 hp but the driver never gets out of first gear, you wouldn’t say that the car is slow. You would say that the car wasn’t being driven correctly and you definitely wouldn’t blame the guy who built the engine.

Specific capacities aren’t developed in the weight room and SHOULDN’T be developed in the weight room. There really is an over-emphasis by the lay population on the importance of the physical preparation coach. In football, which is largely dependent on body mass and leverages, the physical preparation coach’s primary job is to make sure that his athletes carry the requisite amount of body mass in a manner that impacts their ability to perform the least. Their job is to make sure that athletes are big enough, strong enough, fast enough, and mobile enough for sport and EVERYTHING else is dependent on specific positional coaching making those general abilities transfer into sporting form. A perfect example of this is Alabama. They bring in elite athletes via recruiting who already possess every general attribute necessary to be successful at that level and make them better athletes by coaching them up at their position. Alabama’s strength coach is a mouth breathing meathead who (from a friend who has spent more than a little bit of time in the weight room at Tuscaloosa) possess no knowledge or expertise beyond what you could find in the average gym rat at your local Gold’s Gym. The fact that their preparation coach contributes little to nothing to the capacity of the athletes to perform on a national level should tell you something about the importance of general physical preparation vs. specific preparation when it comes to actual on field ability.

That being said, you can’t expect 10 years of Brad Scott tissue softness to dissipate entirely after a single off season. Give Caldwell some time, I’m confident that he’ll harden those boys up.

by Stronghold on Sep 3, 2011 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't give a damn who the S&C coach is

I want to see some OL who can move people out of the way!

I don’t see that here, as a rule.

Good reply, by the way.

by Cristo on Sep 3, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just to define things for other readers

Just to define what some of the terms mean and what some people are refering to that may not already know:

Power lifting is a sport that’s largely popular in the US. It’s a competition in three lifts: the bench press, squat, and deadlift. The squat and deadlift are both functional lifts but the bench is not.

Olympic lifting is a sport that is popular all over the globe in which athletes compete in two separate lifts: the clean and jerk (which is technically two lifts in one) and the snatch. The clean and jerk is a lift in which an athlete takes a weight and lifts it overhead in two movements. The snatch is a lift in which an athlete takes a weight overhead in one movement. The clean and jerk probably involves a bit more strength while the snatch involves a bit more technique and athleticism.

You often see people who train for other sports use exercises that mimick the qualities of olympic lifting and often these include lifts that are termed as “modified olympic lifts”. These lifts have some of the same benefits (just maybe not quite as extreme) but are simpler to teach, learn, and perform. Some of these lifts include the power clean, hang clean, high pulls, power snatch, hang snatch, ect. You can also do any of the olympic lifts or modified olympic lifts with Russian KB’s, and you don’t even neccessarily have to use weights to mimick the qualities.

In a lot of the strongman and highlander type of competitions you see things that use of combination of functional strength and power as well. That’s why you see a lot of that stuff used in sport SC as well with stuff like flipping tires, ect.

It’s also important to note that most olympic lifters also do lifts like the deadlift and squat. They refer to them as “assistance lifts”. They do a number of lifts that are considered assistance lifts. One major difference is with the squats though. The form that most olympic lifters use for back squats is different than what is used by power lifters. Olympic lifters also do a lot of front squats and overhead squats. One execption to all of this is the “Bulgerian Method” which a few contries do in training where they primarily only do the two olympic lifts in training.

Another term that gets thrown around a lot is functional strength. What that basically means is any time you are lifting and you aren’t supporting your own body weight so that your entire body is having to work essentially, especially the core muscle groups, you arent developing functional strength. That’s why body builders and 98% of people you see in the gym are really developing looks as opposed to usefull strenght in real life, whether they know it or not. As far as sport is concerned, whether you’re talking about football, basketball, wrestling, fighting, ect… the ability to be able to apply force off the ground is extrememly important. When a linebacker hits someone he’s using his entire body and applying force off the ground in order to develop kinectic energy. Same for a boxer or fighter. When they hit someone they aren’t just using their arm, shoulder and chest muscles. They are using their entire body to develop kinetic energy off the ground. Nothing develops that better than olympic lifting. Olympic lifters are the most powerful men in the world. They are among, if not the most, functionally strong men in the world. And not only that but in short burst they are among the most explosive athletes in the world. Olympic lifters have higher verticals and are faster in short burst up to about 25 meters than any athletes in the world along with some track and field athletes. Olympic lifters have higher verticals on average than football or basketball athletes. And they are a hell of a lot more powerful and stronger.

The thing is though, is that football players aren’t training to be olympic lifters, power lifters, sprinters, ect. They have to combine training and sport specific training to be successful. I don’t know what Batson does and where the focus is. I do know that his background is in power lifting but I also know that they use some of the modified olympic lifts and strongman type stuff in training.

by TigerVance on Sep 3, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Clean & jerk, dead lift, power clean, hang clean, high pulls, power snatch, hang snatch, etc, seem worthless for football because they don't resemble any motion that fooball players make on the field.

I doubt that boxers spend much time on the dead lift, etc. They spend time on bench press, punching bags, cardio, etc. As a former D1 wrestler, I can tell you for a fact that nobody on the the team spent time on useless “functional lifts”. Curls, bench presses and other such “non-functional” lifts are a lot more useful to a wrestler than “functional” lifts like olympic lifts or modified olympic lifts. If they ever invent a sport where your opponent is a heavy bar that you need to clean & jerk, or snatch, or dead lift, then I’m sure those lifts will indeed become “functional”. For real sports like football, those lifts seem pretty useless. But Batson has the players spend a lot of time on those lifts, right?

by RazzMcTazz on Sep 4, 2011 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boxers dont need to do it as much, no, but they do need core strength

and they absolutely must keep their legs in tiptop shape.

Clean & Jerk/Power clean/etc. are actually the most important lifts for developing explosive movements that are similar to blocking and tackling. Bench pressing is probably one of the least important primary lifts we do in football.

by TigerVance on Sep 4, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? Louie Simmons philosophy is based on gaining bodyweight and absolute strength with little regard for mobility, relative strength, or explosiveness? Have you ever BEEN to Westside Barbell? Here’s a clue: I have. Louie Simmons built his entire system around making athletes explosive. He devotes half of every training week to it. The vast majority of the RE method exercises that he utilizes are devoted solely to improving and maintaining mobility, hence the advent of the oscillating barbell (bamboo bar), clubbells, grappler, landmine, etc. I watched an interview with Simmons just the other day where he expicitly said that weight should only be gained as a means for optimizing leverages (ie if an athelete is too skinny for their sport) and that weight gain for any other reason detracts from power production and should be avoided. Your arguments are invalid because you’re not even getting close to getting your facts straight.

Secondly, you’re putting all of the credit (or blame) for other teams squarely on the S&C staff. Never mind that Florida State finally retired the increasingly senile and out of touch Bobby Bowden or that Alabama replaced Mike Shula (who, by the way, still managed to have a 10-2 season during his 4 year tenure with an inferior S&C staff) with Nick Saban, who happens to win every where he goes.

Thirdly, your definition of “functional” strength encompasses all of the means that Batson commonly uses. Squats, front squats, trap-bar deadlifts, sled pushes, box squats, board presses, kettlebell movements, jumps, throws, and olympic pulls ALL qualify under your definition of “functional movements”. As a matter of fact, his powerlifting background means that he has a background in “functional movements”, as powerlifters compete in the squat, bench press, and deadlift exclusively. I get the impression that you are confusing bodybuilding and powerlifting, since the motor abilities developed by the powerlifts and the olympic lifts are nearly identical and both require the ability to produce and transfer force by and through the body as a singular unit. I’ve coached multiple powerlifting athletes to an elite level, including a 198 lb junior (23 and under lifter) squatting over 600 in a belt and singlet and a female athlete with a top 10 all-time squat in her weight class. I have more than a little experience with those three lifts and I can assure you, the implication you keep making about muscles working in isolation is entirely irrelevant to the powerlifts.

Funny you draw the Batson=Westside, Cochran=Olympic lifting dichotomy, talk up Cochran as being superior at developing “functional strength”, and then trash on Batson because he uses the bench press as a means for developing upper body strength in his athletes. It’s funny because it’s entirely contrary to reality. ESPN did a special on Cochran and his weight room during the preseason in 2010 and they spent the entire time filming Cochran screaming at kids bench pressing and sitting on Hammer Strength machines. I have a friend who worked in that weight room for a while under Cochran and he will tell you the same.

Ultimately, it’s ironic that you complain about the injury rate under Batson and then try to make the case for a system based on the Olympic lifts and the Hatch system. The olympic lifts take years to master with hands on, personal attention and for that reason aren’t exactly practical to implement safely in a weight room where you have 100+ athletes to deal with. Once again, this isn’t from something I read online, this is from my actual experience teaching athletes the olympic lifts. I work with them one-on-one, so I can use them. If I had an entire team to oversee, it wouldn’t be happening.

Finally, I’d like to see you cite an actual source for this:

“Olympic lifters have higher verticals on average than football or basketball athletes.”

I’ll save you some time, there isn’t any. It’s a made up quote by someone marketing an olympic-lifting based training system to sports coaches.

by Stronghold on Sep 3, 2011 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

. I watched an interview with Simmons just the other day where he expicitly said that weight should only be gained as a means for optimizing leverages (ie if an athelete is too skinny for their sport) and that weight gain for any other reason detracts from power production and should be avoided.

Fact is, Clemson players put on bad weight or never put on good weight. McClain should be in far better shape, as should Walker and Smith. If not for Morris, they would be in worse shape. Whether Simmons himself said that or not, I dont know, but I know that Joeys boys either arent following it or thats a lie. I believe his system ends up adding muscle that works in one damn direction at a time, so we arent getting anywhere.

You seem to be one that puts it all on the coaches. That is fine, but when the most physical teams hire guys from one trend of S&C philosophy, and every good HC I’ve heard speak has said his two most important hires were S&C and OL, even over coordinators, your comments lose any weight. Urban Meyer was another one who said it just last week on ESPN.

I dont agree that Batson’s methods increase any functional strength. When you can’t move Coastal Carolina, Wofford, Boston College (who rushed 3 guys on us and we couldnt stop them), and others like Troy until very late, you don’t have functional strength. We don’t fire off the ball and we don’t play mean. The S&C coach has a direct effect on that.

And finally, I have sent players to schools in the SE, and the one at Bama said that Cochran almost never lets them max out on bench. Batson has them max out and pumps up those numbers all the time.

by TigerVance on Sep 4, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thats enough for this argument

it’ll just deteriorate into a pissing contest.

Unless someone asks a question, let it rest. Otherwise get warned/removed.

Stronghold can disagree as much as he likes, but he wont convince us that Batson isnt a problem when the problem has been here as long as Joey.

by DrB on Sep 4, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just a few clarifications...

My point is that the blame for soft lines falls more on the specific position coaching for those lines than the S&C staff. You can be strong as a bull, but if you play like a pansy, then it doesn’t matter.

As for maxing out, that’s a part of Simmon’s conjugate method…the idea is to develop maximal strength and intermuscular coordination via what is known as the max effort method. Athletes will work up to a maximal effort (weight) in the desired plane of movement and regularly rotate the actual movement used in that plane of motion in order to avoid injury and stagnation. For instance, if the goal was to develop upper body pushing strength in the horizontal plane (since we’re talking about the bench press), one could do 2 weeks of max-effort work with a board press, 2 weeks with a floor press against chains, and 2 weeks with the “football bar” (bar with parallel grips). This is the focus of two workouts per week (one max-effort workout for lower body and one for upper body…there are four workouts per week, 2 for upper body, 2 for lower body). The other training sessions would focus on what is known as the dynamic effort method, where the athletes would utilize plyometrics, jumps, throws, and explosive lifting with lighter weights and bands or chains for accommodation of the strength curve in order to develop maximal rate of force development. The ability to build maximal rate of force development is the primary benefit of the olympic lifts (due to their nature, if you don’t preform the lift quickly, you won’t preform it at all), but this attribute is not at all exclusive to the olympic lifts and the same training effect can be achieved without them. Same goal, different tools. It’s all about context. That’s all.

Not trying to get into a pissing match, but this just happens to be an area where I’ve got above-average experience and understanding, so I figured I would throw in my $.02.

by Stronghold on Sep 4, 2011 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know if you can thank Morris

I was told by a walk-on Offensive Lineman that they run way less here than he had to in high school. His high school may have put too much emphasis on running for linemen, but I still found it interesting considering the speed and conditioning this offense requires.

by PenthouseTiger on Sep 4, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Booing?

Dude,

What’s with people booing at half-time? I understand we were down by 3, but give ‘em a break. It’s supposed to be home field advantage at Death Valley, not “let’s encourage the visiting team.”

I’m not asking people to applaud crappy, jittery, or sloppy play, but give a new QB, a new OC, and a new offensive scheme a chance people.

by Clemsonu88 on Sep 4, 2011 12:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Never had a problem with booing.

You give Clemson your money for IPTAY and tickets, you have every right to boo just as any other fan does.

And after that half, they deserved it.

by DrB on Sep 4, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Really?

I thought they should have booed the whole first half. Maybe that Booing was part of the wake up call they needed for that piss poor first half.

by Boilingspringstiger on Sep 4, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

tigernet

is full of people talking about this and ripping apart people who admit to booing. Any fanbase known for being rabid is going to be extremely supportive when they’re happy, but they’re also going to show their displeasure when their expectations aren’t met

by PenthouseTiger on Sep 4, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our fans expect better

and you can’t come out with that kind of performance despite the growing pains that we are going through butin the end they did pull this one out with a score that is actually higher than was predicted by most. That being said, this tyoe of effort will not cut it against Auburn, FS, and Va tech. O-line and D-line needs their heads smashed together and get right, now. I was encoraged to see Tajh settel in a bit, once he had time to throw the ball, and the freshmen are the real deal. Dr. B if everything you say is true, then what chance does out O-line have if they have a bad foundation to being with? What can Caldwell do when they aren’t even trained right by the time he gets them?

by D'Arve21 on Sep 4, 2011 12:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Dont know the answer to that.

I’ve been right for the most part for the last few years, and I trust my own eyes and my own judgement, and I think the foundation of our problems is in the offseason. You win games in November during Spring and Summer workouts. Who can have contact then? Only the S&C coaches. Players can talk to Steele or Morris, but they cant be actively coached.

We’ve also seen Clemson teams do a complete 180. If Tajh improves greatly, and he could with the right teaching, then no one will ever crowd the box and the OL generates enough movement to win.

by DrB on Sep 4, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

What was up with our D?

I didn’t expect such a sight from them like this. I guess graduation really did hurt more than we thought or was it just becuase of Troy’s offense? Steele righted the ship after half time but still uncharacteristic of them.

by D'Arve21 on Sep 4, 2011 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

With a bad foundation

you will always get surprised by teams. Clemson has more athletes that let us win as often as we do.

But if we were built on a better foundation, you’d see a different attitude on the field and those suprises would be less and less. I think we’d see consistent improvement rather than haphazard improvement and play.

by TigerVance on Sep 4, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Realistically, where do we go from here?

Do yall really think this team has a lot of upward mobility at this point? Auburn is going to be a total crapshoot, we saw them fail to move to dominate a team similar to Troy today. But we are absolutely gonna get our clocks cleaned against FSU and Va Tech, just wait for it. Good things being said about this team will be real easy to find over the next 2 weeks but after that I think we’re fucked.

by tripp1 on Sep 4, 2011 12:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm no expert on weight training but a couple of things seem obvious to me...

1) This past summer there were several football weightroom training videos posted in a Tiger football article. I was shocked at the bad form (cheating) on every lift. For example, when guys were doing standing, alternate dumbell curls, they were swinging their arms up (from behind their butts) and arching their backs as the dumbell rose in front of their hips. I’m no expert, but to me that looked like total fucking cheating and a big waste of time, if not possibly harmful to their backs. They were just swinging the dumbells with their bodies, not curling them with their biceps. If I had done shit like that, my coach would have kicked my ass. At the time I commented on T-Net that it looked like they were doing back exercises because swinging weights doesn’t do much for your biceps. Or for example, when the players were bench-pressing, they were cheating by bouncing the bar off their chests. Maybe I’m just old school and I don’t know shit, but it seems to me that if you need to hold onto the football or wrestle it away from the other guy at the bottom of the scrum, you should work on your biceps rather than your swinging-arching technique. And if you need to push a guy away (as in blocking), you should work on your pecs rather than working on the trampoline-elasticity of your rib cage. Maybe I’m just old school, but it looked to me like Batson wasn’t enforcing proper technique and therefore wasn’t doing his job well. Maybe one of the experts here can explain the benefit of bouncing weights off your chest, instead of pressing the weights.

2) Depending on how you lift (high-weight/low-rep, low-weight/high-rep, etc.) you can target your weight training for strength, bulk, endurance, and/or explosiveness. I don’t know exactly what Batson’s program looks like, but I know what the results on the field have looked like— and it hasn’t been good. Considering the talent that Clemson brings in, and considering how we get manhandled by similarly-sized, lower-rated guys (like those from Troy, not Bama), I’d say that whatever Batson is doing, isn’t working. But it could be that the position coaching is so poor that it’s overcoming the S&C, or that the attitudes are so piss poor that they guys don’t work hard and don’t mind gettting their assess whupped.

3) The clean & jerk, snatch, & dead lift seem to have no resemlance to any motion employed when playing football, so they shouldn’t be wasting their time on that macho competition-weightlifting stuff. But I think Batson has the players spending a lot of time on those competition weightlifting lifts. Didn’t Jay Kay Jay blow out his back and prematurely end his football career by doing dead lift or something similarly useless?

4) Too many of our players are fat, and therefore not as nimble or as cariovascurly fit as they could be. Not sure who’s in charge of that, but it sucks.

by RazzMcTazz on Sep 4, 2011 1:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Strongly disagree with 3

Exercises like Clean & jerk is very important. The motion you make in taking on blocks or tackling is quite similar, same muscle groups if youre doing it right. Lower your butt, bend your knees, and explode upwards. Butt, hams, quads, etc. It shouldnt hurt your back if you have the right form. I think Jay had bad form, and Batson let him lift too much too soon. Better to back off and make sure form is good first.

Loreto Jackson is #4.

by DrB on Sep 4, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

To me, blocking looks like squating & (incline) bench pressing, not cleaning & jerking.

It’s not that clean & jerk is useless, but it seems like inefficient use of training time relative to football. But I’m no expert.

by RazzMcTazz on Sep 4, 2011 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not true...

The clean and jerk develops your core and your explosive strength. I.E. when you’re doing bench you can slowly apply force and raise the bar, when your doing clean and jerk you need to unleash a lot of strength quickly which is power. This explosive first movement is what lets a linemen get the initial push and subsequent leverage which is vastly more important than just strength when you are talking about blocking…

by harcumcs on Sep 4, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Clean and jerk develops explosive stength and technique for cleaning and jerking, which looks very little like anything done on a footbal field.

Nobody picks up the opponent from the ground and raises them up to their chin (or over their head). The relevant part of the clean & jerk for football is the explosion with the legs (almost like doing squats, except with a lot of wasted effort and technique limitations involved with bringing the bar up to your chin). You can choose to squat and bench explosively also (with less weight and more emphasis on the exlosive motion) or you can squat and bench by applying slow pressure (perhaps with more weight). You just have to think outside the box. Ideally I think the players would weight train by explosively doing lifts that exactly mimic their moves on the field. (as well as doing lifts that would tone all muscle groups). Raising a bar to your chin is not seen on the field.

by RazzMcTazz on Sep 4, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Extra point

I know this ain’t gonna make anyone feel better, but whatever reason Dabo put in Benton to miss that XP instead of Catanazaro.

by OrangeBritches on Sep 4, 2011 6:03 AM EDT reply actions  

ESPN3 is free for some people

Us Time Warner victims have to have a full cable subscription to get it.

by A Balrog of Morgoth on Sep 6, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

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