What needs to happen in 2011, and reasonable expectations...
Our Tigers are starting off camp this week and after a 6-7 season our coaches have had to create some momentum in the program themselves, instead of relying on a bowl win or ACC Atlantic crown to do it for them. Dabo, who can apparently sell cock rings to a convent, talked enough 5-stars to sign with us that it has done a lot of that momentum-building for him. Evidently the fans forgot that his and Napier’s offense couldn’t figure out how to use a screwdriver last season. That BOT meeting in December unleashed the plans that have been sitting on a desk for years for $50 mil in facilities improvements, and hiring a new offensive coordinator with a good scheme that excites the fans has done the rest.
A lot of people are excited about the program even after such a crappy season. I’m not one of them, not really. I see Swinney doing almost everything I asked for, but until I see wins, I ain’t gonna get too excited. Sure, I’m pumped up about football season finally returning so I can spend countless hours watching, but I let myself get a little more excited last year and look how that turned out. There is no excuse for losing 5 games with Spiller and none for losing 7 with Bowers either. I could predict how this season is going to go, game-by-game, but I’m not doing that this year….we’re Clemson; we always blow a couple we should win. We will know how the season is going to go after the first 5. If we start out 4-1, this could be a stellar year. If we start out 2-3, then I think we’re looking at 6 losses. You can’t outrecruit bad coaching and I won’t get overly excited about the program until I see good coaching getting results from those recruits.
So what has to happen for this season to be a success?
1) Receivers must step up. We’ve got players who could catch in HS and can’t catch here. WTF happened in between? These things have to be fixed, NOW.
Jaron Brown has shown flashes of his moves, but there is no production to speak of. I just think he doesn’t know how to get himself open. He’s going to start as one of the outside WRs, but for how long I have no idea. Put up or shut up time.
Marquan Jones is the most invisible man on the field and now as a senior, I have given up on him. I really thought he’d step up last year. If he starts in the Auburn game, I’m going to be shocked. He should be passed by one of the slot receiver freshmen, namely Watkins or Craig, hopefully both.
Nuke Hopkins has little to worry about and I see no way he loses considerable PT to a freshman. He’s a football player, not just an athlete who happens to play football. I think he should be All-ACC this year with even decent QB play.
If the offense works, we’ll have 80 or so plays per game, and you have to envision starters getting about 50 of that. The new guys are going to play no matter what, and the old guys you don’t think should start are going to play too. It’ll be trial by fire for everyone. Peake and Bryant are outside WRs and will spell Hopkins and Brown initially. I would put my bet on Bryant taking Brown’s spot first. Watkins and Craig are slots and both have the outright speed we lacked last year to take the top off the coverage. Watkins is my bet for the 5-man position in the offense by midseason, which is reserved for a player who can get the deep ball and is set up by scheme to catch a lot of passes. At times it can also be the TE at the 5, so it’ll really depend on the call.
Still, the corps is inexperienced and I don’t see a 1000 yard season from any in the group. I think about the best realistic production we can hope for is a 50 catch, 500-600 yard season from Watkins, a couple hundred more than that from Hopkins, and 300-500 from Brown. That would top last year’s production and combined with Ellington and Bellamy with Howard spelling, should get us back up to the Top 40 in offense. If we finished in the Top 20 in total offense I would be ecstatic, but Tajh would have to be stellar in his first year without teething issues, which I just don’t think is realistic in year 1 of a scheme against this schedule.
Don’t even quote me figures for Morris at Tulsa with their schedule and a team that ran a similar scheme with Herb Hand and Gus Malzahn before that. None of that matters here.
At TE, which will play the 4 and 5 position in the offense, Dwayne Allen needs to produce. He needs to give 100% effort, which he has not in the past, not by far. In the 2nd half of last season Allen dropped off the map, and the inclination is to blame defenses for scheming him out or Parker’s general suckage. The truth is that most defenses didn’t scheme him out after MIA/UNC, Parker didn’t play well, and Dwayne didn’t give effort on the field. Brandon Ford needs to spell him so he doesn’t have to play every snap on offense and special teams again.
2) Offensive line needs to step up and become what it was in the 1990s at least, but preferably the ‘80s.
Brad is gone, thank the lord. Caldwell is in, thank the lord. Time to fix it. I’m actually optimistic about the line’s development again, and I think the OL has been the biggest hurdle for us for the last decade. We still don’t have depth, but at least we got a good coach. If he cannot fix it, the finger points squarely at Joey Batson. Batson supporters don’t have many excuses left.
I’m happy enough with the returning starters. The emphasis in this scheme is interior running, so the focus goes on Smith/Cloy/Freeman/McClain now. If they don’t move people we don’t win games, period.Left tackle is the question mark, and Philip Price is not a long-term answer. Caldwell has said that Thomas was tentative about his knee this spring, and that has improved since, so we’ll see.
3) Defensive losses must be replaced, especially on the line.
4) One of the freshman linebackers must produce.
We lost 2 starters up front from a great DL, that’s not easy to replace. We lost a former All-American safety and a couple of solid, but unflashy, corners. I don’t think we’ll miss Brandon Maye too much though. We’ll be taking a hit from the Top 10-20 defenses we’ve had the last two years. You just have to accept it.
Additionally, until the offense figures things out, these guys are going to be out there a lot….sometimes without seeing 30 seconds come off the game clock. I see the defense getting beat up some out of the gate but improving steadily in 2011. Steele didn’t have to blitz last year either, but you’ve heard about us putting in some 3-4 sets, and we did predict that you’d see him get more inventive to create pass rush, so you’ll see plenty of blitzing this year.
Thompson and Branch are very good players but now the ball is just going to go away from them until Rennie Moore and Malliciah Goodman put it together. Corey Crawford is special. Kourtnei Brown just doesn’t make plays. Having Hobby around will help Brown immensely I believe, because Marion is a better coach of technique. The 3-technique is what worries me most. Jarvis Jenkins wasn’t a great pass rusher, but he did eat up blockers and was stout against the run. Rennie is more of a pass rusher than run-stopper, and all the DT backups are completely untested. People are going to pound us up the A/B-gap weakside all day until this is proved to be fixed.
I’m not so worried about the secondary. I think Harbison can coach his guys up well enough to be solid at the back end, but we won’t be at the top in pass defense this y ear. I think Top 25 in pass efficiency might be possible considering that we aren’t in a passing conference, and if the front holds steady we’d again be a Top 25 defense. Brewer got a bad rap because of some gaffes, but when you play M2M you have to accept those. He did improve as the year went on. He will have challengers for his spot this time around in Breeland and Robinson. Depth behind Meeks is a major question I have however.
Clemson hasn’t had a really good linebacker since Anthony Waters left. I think we’ve got one now in Quandon Christian. He was ready to go in the Spring game and he’s not losing his job this year unless he gets hurt. Justin Parker’s light came on, and he’ll hopefully get 20 plays per game to spell Quan, if we play pro-style offenses. Against spread sets the SAM will probably still come off for a Nickel. I suspect Justin may get time at MIKE in some situations as well.
The other two LB spots are not that solid. I like Corico Hawkins, because he knows how to check the front and he’s where he is supposed to be, but he doesn’t make big plays. I think the former is more important at MIKE, but if a freshman picks up the defense, Rico won’t hold the spot past midseason. I look for him to start at least through Aub/FSU/VT, but I won’t project further. Steward is slotted at MIKE initially, but I want to hear how the knee is before I say he takes this job. Considering Clemson’s record with joint injuries (Korn’s shoulder, Cullen’s shoulder, JD’s shoulder, Sapp’s knee, Spiller’s toe, etc.), I’d be apt to redshirt if there is any doubt whatsoever.
Willard and Vic Beasley are going to fight hard at WILL, for the #2 spot. Willard hasn’t been healthy for a couple of years and played with one arm last season or he’d have taken Maye’s spot. I’m not ready to write him off, but he has to produce from Day 1. Vic Beasley’s light better come on quick, because Anthony can play now. I think Anthony’s initial spot is WLB or MLB (depending on Steward’s knee) because of his ability in coverage and instincts, so these guys will have a hard time fighting him off. He should start by the end of the year.
I think though, given the hits we take and the inexperience, that a Top 20 total defense is unrealistic. I project somewhere in the 25-40 range overall, improving as the season goes.
5) And most importantly, Tajh Boyd better be ready to ball.
Bottom line, my expectation is 10 wins a year by any head coach’s 4th season, and this is his 4th season in my book, and I don’t see it happening. The talent is here, but none is experienced. I think the most realistic expectation is 7 or 8. I’ve said I’d have my mind made up on Swinney at the end of this season, but I won’t put a win figure on that. Unless he has a losing season, he is going nowhere anyway.
What would satisfy you in 2011 as far as W-L and performance goes?
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Slightly optimistic
I live this site and the in depth analysis that is always given. I have to say that as a clemson grad this year., it royally sucked to have to leave the school after such a horrible season. Getting whooped by SC in our own house still boils my blood.
Regardless, I agree with everything you have said but I am slightly optimistic becuase of all the changes. Caldwell is a great coach and will get the O-Line right. Our D-Line will be okay as lond as our coaches can get our DTs right. I have confidence in Morris and his system and Boyd is saying and doing all the right things to make me think that he will be alright and will lead us well.
It’s our recruits that I am high on. Amazing LBs and WRs that just make you shake your head at the talent coming in. I fully expect every single WR except for Nuke to lose there job by at least the auburn game. Jones is not worht speaking of, Brown is good but just doesn’t have the athletic ability to hold back the freshmen coming, McNeal underachieves to the point that I see him losing his spot early as well.
One question though, how steep is the learning curb for these recievers? In Morris’s system, is it possible that we might see the freshmen starting by the opening of the season becuase the freshmen simply put on a clinic during fall practice? I just don’t see anyone but nuke having a starting spot for very long.
Also, our O-Line concerns me simply becuase of depth. Is there any news about how they’ve performed as a unified whole under Caldwell? Knowing this will define our year.
I think 8-4 would be great.
Second in the Atlantic and I would be satisfied. I just hope they can beat the coots this year even though it don’t look good.
Agreed
Eight wins with this kind of a schedule would be a great acoomplishent. However I still feel that SC is overhyped this year. Their one glaring weakness last year was that their secondary sucked horribly. That;s why Arkansas cut them to pieces and why our first, and ONLY, TD against the was a passing play. If these WR can come in a play well then I’m not as worried about the coots, I’ve heard nothign about them improving their secondary. Still, it depends on the freshmen, just like everything else this season.
I agree with you.
It really all depends on how the season plays out and injuries. If Tajh goes down early, then my expectations are low. If we have injuries on the offensive line, then my expectations are low. If Andre’s toe is not healed, then my expectations are low.
I am looking for at least eight wins, and believe we should win at least one of the games between Auburn, FSU, and VT. Last year, I thought that if we beat Auburn, then we would have a great season, and that if we lost, it might not be so great. I think the same is true this year. This team needs some confidence and they need a big win. We win the offseason on a regular basis, but we can’t seem to get over the hump on the field despite having top ten recruiting classes, and five star players. IMO, it is time for the program to fish or cut bait.
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by Tigerplowboy on Aug 5, 2011 8:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It takes 10 wins for me to be happy
I haven’t been happy in a long time about Clemson football.
by Sean McGarity on Aug 5, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I want 10 wins every year, 12 would be better
I think we will win 7 or 8 this year.
I might just be happy if we beat Auburn and the Cocklovers this year. I am tired of that sad SEC is better argument.
Unless we go below .500 Dabo isn’t goin anywhere though. They will let him have one full class as Head coach. His Freshmen will be graduating next year.
by Boilingspringstiger on Aug 5, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions
Excellent
Spot on in my opinion…
If I were to add something, it would be that we need to have a 2nd QB ready to play coming out of the Summer since the QB is, performance issues aside, going to be exposed in this offense.
Also, I know what you mean by not having optimism this year. Usually I start ramping it up the positivity about this time every year but, I’m not feeling it this year yet.
"If I had one thing that I'd want in a football team it would be toughness."
-Danny Ford
mark it down
we will be 11-2 at the end of this season. mark it down.
by Hootizl4Tigers on Aug 5, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’ve made these kind of bold, “mark it down, take it to the bank” type statements in 2006,2007, 2008, and many other seasons. I’ve become more realistic in my ways. 8-4
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by scgreatest803 on Aug 5, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
2009 as well
"Well Mr. Accountant, everytime you move that pencil does someone hit you in the mouth?" - Robbie Caldwell
by scgreatest803 on Aug 5, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
even tigernet questions that prediction
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I want to see progression
I honestly think with all of the new faces, coaches, players, etc. that this is a 7 win team, maybe 8. I would be really pleased with 8 or more, but my gut says 7 wins. What I really want to see is an OL that blows the Woffords, Wake Forests, Marylands, etc. off the ball and gets short yardage with regularity. I want to see an offensive philosophy and players put in a position to succeed. I also desperately, desperately want to see a win over USC in Columbia.
I agree that USC is probably overhyped. I have a hard time believing that they will beat UGA, UF and UT again in the same season. I think we will be exciting this year, and I don’t believe the incumbent wide receivers will hold their jobs long, except for Nuke. Everyone is basically a freshman anyway, and the newcomers may actually have some advantages in that they won’t Napier’s offense to confuse with this one. They also have good size, too – Watkins and Bryant were both over 200 lbs. at their weigh in. McNeal and Jones probably won’t start week 1.
by judge jeff davis on Aug 5, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
Progression
Great way to put it. Let’s just get better from start to finish, this season I just want to see an upward curve with player development and maturation over the course of the year.
"Well Mr. Accountant, everytime you move that pencil does someone hit you in the mouth?" - Robbie Caldwell
by scgreatest803 on Aug 5, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
My three biggest concerns
1. QB play – I’m really rooting for, and optimistic about Tajh. But not sure if he will have it all put together by the Auburn, FSU, VT trifecta.
2. Rennie Moore stopping the run.
3. LT – would scare me more if we didn’t have the option of sliding David Smith over.
I feel you on those points. I will say QB play doesn't worry me so much
considering that it seems that some one seems to appear to actually coachingthe QBs now. Over the years the coaching of some positions seemed either seemed half-hearted (Brad Scott), non-existent (Andre Powell & Jeff Scott) or convoluted/stupid (Billy Swiinney, the devil-spawn mutant offspring of an OC). I would add making field goals in actual games like everyone else does to that list as well.
Yeah Rennie Moore @ 270lbs is light and a concern, but I have more confidence that Rennie with a motor running most of the time will be 5 times more effective than Shatley or Gibson running at 100%.as backups right now. Barnes and two from the collection of Shatley/Gibson/ Thomas/D. Williams/Jarrett need to step up to help form a rotation at DT.
A positive side of the situation surrounding your concerns (QB, DL and OL) is that Hobby, Brooks and Caldwell all have very good track records at producing results from their coaching. Hopefully Morris can bring half as much as any of those coaches bring to the table. Unfortunately, they just don’t have a lot of time before the stretch starting on Sept 17th until the bye week (and I’m not discounting Troy for that matter).. All of the assistants have their work cut out for them, and the players have to listen and execute in games, not just practice.No more of the practice AA’s and spectacular plays from “This Week at Tiger Practice”. DA has a role to play even when he doesn’t have the ball, LW and AM should knock their men off the line of scrimmage more times than not. Catch the ball when it hits your hands, like you did in high school years ago (the entire receiving core).
Like you I have concerns, but now Dabo has the best staff he has had, and he has enough recruits that they mathematically can’t all be busts. It will be interesting this season, but I like the STSL’s take… show me wins that prove that this isn’t the same #### we’ve seen year end year out..
8-4 regular season, 9-4 with a bowl win over a solid SEC or Big 12 opponent
Then Let’s roll into 2012 with the staff intact, experienced talent, a healthy team (esp Tony Steward), and aim for the sky then..drinking the Dabo Swinney koolaid.
Seriously though Tajh has got to stay healthy. And Ellington has either gotta be healthy or pull a CJ in 09 and just play with one wheel the whole year. I’m optimistic in our staff though.
"Well Mr. Accountant, everytime you move that pencil does someone hit you in the mouth?" - Robbie Caldwell
9-2 going into sakerlina
We will roll through the first 3. Auburn will not score more than 10 pts this year. FSU and VA Tech should be loses (I still feel we can beat FSU if we have grasped the offense by then but not VA Tech….they will play for the national championship against Oklahoma). We don’t have a game we should not win until we play sakerlina. I will go on a limb and say we win bc I hate them. So 10-2. UNC, GA Tech, and BC will be close games but we should win.
It's so hard to say what a satisfactory season would be
because we are inconsistent from one year to the next. It’s especially difficult this year because of all the new coaches and new players. Based on my best guess on what kind of team I think we’ll be, I’m gonna say 9 wins would satisfy me this year provided one of those wins comes against the chickens. There’s no excuse to lose to those buttholes 3 yrs in a row. I’ll go as far as to say that even if we win 10+ games this season, if we lose to usc, I will not be satisfied.
I’m not optimistic about our passing game this year. I am, however, extremely optimistic about our running game. If AE and the O-line stay healthy, I think our run game will be dominant. Like DrB said, there will be a drop-off from the defense this year. I feel pretty good about our secondary but I’m not sure what to expect from everyone else.
The only ACC teams that I think are gonna be tough are FSU and VT. That means I’m expecting 9 wins (Troy, Wofford, 6 ACC wins and the chickens). There’s no reason we shouldn’t be able to accomplish this. That said, I don’t think it will happen. We always find a way to lose games we shouldn’t. Even if we don’t win 9 games this season, I still might consider it a success if we can learn how to win some close games consistently.
A satisfactory season would be that no team on the schedule
is awarded a win like it is a door prize you receive for just showing up for the contest. Clemson has had a habit of being more like a charity organization and gift wrapping wins for quite a few teams for over a decade now. I’d like to see an opponent have to earn a victory despite your best efforts rather than have it fall in their lap due to ineptitude or lack of heart (except in the Valley, of course, where no team should ever escape with the W).
Genuinely Curious
I’ve had this same thought before, but when I try to quantify it…it’s very difficult. What is the score to a hard fought game? Is it a close game? …no generally we feel like we choked in close games. And it certainly can’t be a game where we lose by a bunch of points.
The only game I can think of where I came away from a loss and wasn’t upset was the first game of Dabo’s career against Gtech. I felt like we played them hard and even though we lost we gave it all we had. That’s the only game I can remember actually feeling like we made the other team earn the victory and we played well, despite losing.
There aren't that many, and the game you just mention tops the list
of three games where emotions or player performance carried the team moreso than coaching (losses in the ACCCG 2009 & the Gator Bowl 2008). Even last year’s Auburn loss captures the essence of uneven (or lack of) coaching and intensity that have resulted in games where the Tigers are flat during periods of more than one quarter that keep them from sealing the deal against teams. You get three types of losses: a second half comeback come up short (ie. GT 2008-09) after climbing out of a self created chasm, heroic combacks by the opponent propped up by a listless TIger squad late in games (Auburn & FSU 2010) or a complete uninspired effort ( UMD, BC, and USuCk x2).
When you look at either side of the ball since Dabo took over the focus of anxiety has been almost always on the offense. CJ, Jacoby and Palmer eleviated most of it from 2008-2009, and AE would have had a similiar effect last year if he hadn’t been suppressed so much by the staff while he was healthy. Even when the defense wasn’t having it’s best day, I never felt like Kevin Steele or the D wouldn’t be able to make the play. And this was inspite of a jacked-up linebacking core. With the offense it has been “How many opportunities will they squander” or “when will they start to attack the defense weaknesses?” Ellington has almost 100 1st half rushing yards in Jordan-Hare and he has less than 10 touches in the second half. Jamie Harper has the best rushing performance of his college career against a suspect FSU defense and the OC calls a fade pattern in the redzone on second down in the 4th. I will be interested in seeing the O this year just to see some of the influence of the additions of Morris and Caldwell. All Elliot needs to do is get the RBs to protect the football better.
Practice
I watched all the Practice Video I could find and it looks like Cole Stoudt is the better QB. His arm was stronger and more accurate. I didn’t see any video of him running but, he looked miles ahead of the ducks Boyd was throwing.
by Boilingspringstiger on Aug 6, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
good to know
That actually is good to know. Boyd is the better running threat which is what we will need in this offense. I hope he is the better QB.
by Boilingspringstiger on Aug 6, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I get the sense a lot of vocal people are staying quiet and not posting so they have an out if things go badly.
You are probably right, and I have asked that very question of a few vocal co-workers
I add “now I know you don’t want to hear it because of the crap we have seen these last few years…., but” to the start of the question. Their sentiment is fairly close to mind but with slightly different reactions. I still predict a record despite knowing that on any given gameday during the Fall, the same “WTF was that” scenarios will play out during the course of the season.. Now, this season will it change or will we see the same crap again with different window dressing. After the changes made, there will be an improvement I believe, but will it translate into wins?
The prediction and what would make me satisfied. A win/ loss record of 9-3 regular season. AT the very least win 2 of 4 in the contests against Auburn (at some point we need to beat them, not always lose in the 4th/OT like the last 3 meetings), VT (beat them in Blacksburg for once since the Ford era), FSU (main obstacle to a ACC championship besides ourselves) and GT (PJ is a good coach, and Atlanta has been the scene of heartbreak and humiliation). I want a win against USuCk to shut their fanbase up, and no loss to either MD or Wake.
I wouldn’t flip if they only had eight wins due to new additions in key positions and a brutal start to the schedule, but anything less than that would be underachieving again IMO.
In terms of wins and losses I do not know how to equate my satisfaction. I just want to see a physical football team with an identity and a game plan, that would already put us light years ahead of anything we saw last year. I also want to be able to see them getting better from game to game. I hope that after the bowl game I can definitively say that every player on the team is a better football player than they were at kickoff against Troy. As Judge Jeff Davis said it is all about progression. As long as I can walk away from this season felling better about the direction of our program I will be satisfied.

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