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Clemson vs. Troy Depth Chart Comparison

This is our first depth chart comparison of the season.  Today we'll compare the Clemson and Troy depth charts as presented via the Clemson University athletic website, www.clemsontigers.com.  I'll continue to give a shout out to RazzMcTazz for previous research and his interest in this work.

We should not have to tell you this, but some folks debate what to take from these articles.  We expect you, the reader, to form an opinion of your own.  Often we will give you our take on things, but you should independently form your own thoughts based on information out there.  This article shows recruiting data for the depth chart roster as referenced above.  It does not weigh experience nor does it evaluate coaching, preparation, etc...  We think this is an interesting and valuable tool that is useful in overall program evaluation because there is a link between these star ratings and other metrics in both college football and the NFL.

Keep in mind as you look through this data that only players who were officially signed were given a "Star Rating".  Players who were not signed could not be quantitatively assessed a recruiting rating.  Such players get a "NA" rating and were not included in the averaged data.  Again, all data was attained from www.Scout.com and www.Rivals.com.  Players whose Scout/Rivals data was not available but were signed were assigned a "NR".  We picked carefully through the data and believe all is correct.  However, if we've overlooked an item we appologize in advance and ask that you point it out so that we can make the correction in our database.

Figure 1 and Table I both show an average of offensive players, defensive players, and specialist listed on the two-deep roster.   Tables II through IV show the two-deep roster used for analysis along with the recruiting ratings for each player on the roster.  Clemson completely dominates this comparison.

I'll admit, Troy recruits in a "non-standard" format, including a lot of junior College transfers and players who many schools thought would not qualify.  I am not knocking Troy.  I commend their staff for bringing in the talent that wins five consecutive conference championships.  I'll also say that Troy's talent is better than the star ratings credit.

Clemson's talent is, however, much better all around when you consider the incoming star ratings.  Take this for what it's worth, but that is how we stand (data after the jump).

Table I:  Overall Comparison
Team Recruiting Service Offense Defense Specialists Overall Average
Clemson Scout 3.38 3.22 3.40 3.31
Rivals 3.47 3.41 3.30 3.42
Average 3.42 3.31 3.35 3.36
Troy Scout 2.09 2.37 2.33 2.22
Rivals 2.26 2.29 2.29 2.28
Average 2.17 2.33 2.30 2.25

 

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Table II  Offensive Comparison
Clemson Offense Troy Offense
Pos. # Player Hgt Wgt Cl. Scout Rivals Pos. # Player Hgt Wgt Cl. Scout Rivals
LT 79 PHILLIP PRICE 6-5 315 *Sr. NA NA LT 70 JAMES BROWN 6-4 312 Sr. 2 2
63 Brandon Thomas 6-3 300 *So. 4 4 69 Dalton Bennett 6-3 298 Fr. 2 2
LG 73 DAVID SMITH 6-5 310 *Gr. 3 3 LG 77 KYLE WILBORN 6-4 311 Jr. 2 2
67 Kalon Davis 6-5 335 *Fr. 3 3 67 Jimmie Arnold 6-1 283 So. 2 2
68 David Beasley 6-4 315 *Fr 3 3 64 Kendall Gibson 6-0 248 So. NA NA
C 55 DALTON FREEMAN 6-5 285 *Jr. 4 4 C 60 ZACH SWINDALL 6-1 283 Sr. NA NA
or 62 MASON CLOY 6-3 310 *Gr. 3 3 55 Andrew Phillips 6-3 332 Jr. 2 2
58 Ryan Norton 6-3 265 Fr. 3 3 RG 78 JACOB CREECH 6-3 292 So. NR 2
RG 74 ANTOINE McCLAIN 6-6 335 Sr. 4 4 58 Zach Johnson 6-2 292 Fr. 2 3
77 Reid Webster 6-4 295 *Fr. 3 3 RT 75 TERRENCE JONES 6-3 307 Fr. 2 2
RT 72 LANDON WALKER 6-6 305 *Gr. 4 4 66 Jarred Fleming 6-5 274 Jr. 2 2
70 Gifford Timothy 6-6 315 *Fr. 2 3 74 Cody Woodiel 6-5 256 Jr. 2 NR
54 Matt Sanders 6-4 330 *Jr. 3 3 TE 80 JIM TEKNIPP 6-5 244 So. NA NA
TE 83 DWAYNE ALLEN 6-4 255 *Jr. 4 4 13 Gavin Ellis 6-6 265 So. 2 2
80 Brandon Ford 6-4 235 *Jr. 3 4 WR-H 5 COREY JOHNSON 6-0 186 Jr. NR NR
86 Sam Cooper 6-4 240 *Fr. 2 2 15 Justin Albert 5-8 171 So. NA NA
WR 6 DeANDRE HOPKINS 6-1 200 So. 4 4 11 Khary Franklin 5-8 167 So. 2 3
11 Bryce McNeal 6-1 180 *So. 4 4 WR-Y 83 JAQUON ROBINSON 5-11 181 Jr. NA NA
1 Martavis Bryant 6-5 205 Fr. 4 4 12 Sam Haskins 6-4 207 So. 2 2
QB 10 TAJH BOYD 6-1 225 *So. 5 4 82 Hollis Moore 6-3 195 Jr. 2 2
8 Cole Stoudt 6-4 200 Fr. 3 3 QB 6 COREY ROBINSON 6-1 216 So. 2 3
RB 23 ANDRE ELLINGTON 5-10 190 *Jr. 4 4 7 Jamie Hampton 6-1 217 Sr. 2 2
25 Roderick McDowell 5-9 190 *So. 3 4 16 Luke Barnes 6-2 201 Fr. 2 2
22 D.J. Howard 5-11 195 *Fr. 3 3 2 K.D. Edenfield 5-11 180 Fr. NA NA
5 Mike Bellamy 5-10 175 Fr. 4 5 RB 20 SHAWN SOUTHWARD 5-8 189 Jr. 2 3
24 Demont Buice 6-1 225 *Fr. 3 3 4 Chris Anderson 5-8 184 Jr. 3 2
FB 30 CHAD DIEHL 6-2 260 *Sr. 2 3 24 T.J. Mitchell 5-8 180 Jr. 2 2
84 Darrell Smith 6-2 245 *So. 3 2 RB-H 31 D.J. TAYLOR 6-0 229 Jr. NA NA
WR 18 JARON BROWN 6-2 200 *Jr. 3 3 36 Brian Exley 5-11 220 Fr. NA NA
19 Charone Peake 6-3 205 Fr. 4 4 40 Jared Lee 6-0 227 Fr. 3 3
26 Marquan Jones 5-10 195 Sr. 3 4 WR-X 3 ERIC THOMAS 6-1 216 So. NA NA
WR 2 SAMMY WATKINS 6-1 200 Fr. 5 5 89 Chandler Worthy 5-9 165 Fr. 2 2
13 Adam Humphries 6-0 190 Fr. 3 2 85 Stanley Arukwe 6-0 180 Sr. NA NA
WR-Z 17 B.J. CHITTY 6-2 199 Fr. 2 3
81 Hakeem Haynie 6-0 187 Fr. NA NA
84 Felton Payton 6-1 177 So. 2 2

 

 

Table III:  Defensive Comparison
Clemson Defense Troy Defense
Pos. # Player Hgt Wgt Cl. Scout Rivals Pos. # Player Hgt Wgt Cl. Scout Rivals
DE 97 MALLICIAH GOODMAN 6-4 280 Jr. 4 4 LDE 94 JONATHAN MASSAQUOI 6-2 250 Jr. 2 3
90 Kourtnei Brown 6-6 255 *Gr. 4 4 48 Xavian Evans 6-5 265 Jr. 3 2
NG 98 BRANDON THOMPSON 6-2 310 Sr. 4 4 DT 92 EMANUEL DUDLEY 6-1 305 Sr. 2 3
43 Tyler Shatley 6-3 295 *So. 3 3 91 Shermane TeArt 6-0 278 So. 2 2
50 Grady Jarrett 6-0 295 Fr. 3 3 90 Tony Gillespie 6-2 276 Jr. 3 NR
DT 94 RENNIE MOORE 6-3 265 *Sr. 3 3 54 Jeremy Elder 6-3 289 Jr. 3 2
99 DeShawn Williams 6-1 290 Fr. 3 3 DT 49 TONY DAVIS 6-0 255 Jr. NA NA
6 Tavaris Barnes 6-4 270 *Fr. 3 4 93 Kyle Lucas 6-3 237 Sr. NA NA
91 Josh Watson 6-4 290 *Fr. 4 4 96 John Clark 6-3 281 So. 2 2
BE 40 ANDRE BRANCH 6-5 260 *Sr. 2 2 95 Aaron Williams 6-4 274 So. NA NA
93 Corey Crawford 6-5 280 Fr. 4 4 RDE 21 JOHN ROBLES 6-3 255 Sr. NA NA
3 Vic Beasley 6-3 235 *Fr. 3 3 46 Brandon Boudreaux 6-1 240 Sr. NR 2
SLB 34 QUANDON CHRISTIAN 6-2 220 *So. 3 3 SLB 44 KANORRIS DAVIS 5-10 208 Jr. 2 3
8 Justin Parker 6-1 225 So. 3 4 22 Angelo Hadley 5-11 197 So. 3 NA
41 Daniel Andrews 5-11 205 Sr. 2 2 MLB 25 XAVIER LAMB 5-9 222 Sr. 2 2
MLB 42 CORICO HAWKINS 5-11 230 Jr. 3 3 52 Brach Bessant 6-1 248 Fr. 2 2
33 Spencer Shuey 6-3 250 *So. 3 3 WLB 42 BRANNON BRYAN 6-0 231 Jr. NA NA
12 Stephone Anthony 6-3 235 Fr. 5 5 56 Jacoby Thomas 5-11 246 Jr. 3 3
WLB 46 JONATHAN WILLARD 6-2 220 *Jr. 3 4 59 Ty Burt 5-11 215 Jr. NA NA
7 Tony Steward 6-1 245 Fr. 4 5 LCB 19 JIMMIE ANDERSON 5-8 160 Sr. NA NA
44 B.J. Goodson 6-1 235 Fr. 2 3 34 Ethan Davis 6-1 175 Fr. 2 2
CB 15 COTY SENSABAUGH 6-0 185 *Gr. 2 2 37 Keenan Harp 6-0 180 Fr. NA NA
17 Bashaud Breeland 6-0 185 *Fr. 4 3 SS 10 BRYNDEN TRAWICK 6-2 223 Jr. 3 NR
45 Desmond Brown 5-11 185 *Fr. 3 4 9 Ladarrius Madden 5-9 202 Sr. 2 2
SS 5 JONATHAN MEEKS 6-1 210 Jr. 4 4 FS 2 BARRY VALCIN 5-11 207 Sr. NA NA
27 Robert Smith 5-11 210 Fr. 3 3 8 Camren Hudson 5-10 185 So. 2 3
37 Kantrell Brown 6-2 195 *Sr. NA NA 29 Joe Lofton 6-1 183 Fr. 2 2
FS 31 RASHARD HALL 6-1 210 J*Gr. 3 3 RCB 7 CHRIS PICKETT 5-11 187 So. 2 2
32 Carlton Lewis 6-2 205 *Jr. 3 3 26 Bryan Willis 5-10 182 Jr. 3 2
38 Garry Peters 5-11 190 *Fr. 3 4
CB 29 XAVIER BREWER 5-11 190 *Jr. 4 3
21 Darius Robinson 5-11 170 So. 3 4
14 Martin Jenkins 5-9 175 So. 3 3

 

 

Table IV:  Specialist Comparison
Clemson Specialists Troy Specialists
Pos. # Player Hgt Wgt Cl. Scout Rivals Pos. # Player Hgt Wgt Cl. Scout Rivals
PK 39 CHANDLER CATANZARO 6-2 200 *So. NA NA PK 18 MICHAEL TAYLOR 5-10 207 Sr. NR 2
36 Ammon Lakip 5-10 185 Fr. 3 2 38 Jed Solomon 5-6 160 Fr. NA NA
P 96 DAWSON ZIMMERMAN 6-2 205 Sr. 3 2 P 47 WILL GOGGANS 6-0 230 Sr. NR 2
13 Spencer Benton 6-2 195 *Jr. 2 2 18 Michael Taylor 5-10 207 Sr. NR 2
KO 13 Spencer Benton 6-2 195 *Jr. 2 2 KO 18 Michael Taylor 5-10 207 Sr. NR 2
LS 52 Phillip Fajgenbaum 6-0 220 *Fr. NA NA 38 Jed Solomon 5-6 160 Fr. NA NA
75 Michael Sobeski 6-2 195 *Fr. NA NA LS 53 Wes Henry 6-1 243 Sr. NA NA
H 13 Spencer Benton 6-2 195 *Jr. 2 2 41 Hunter Graham 5-9 190 Fr. NA NA
PR 2 Sammy Watkins 6-1 200 Fr. 5 5 H 83 Jaquon Robinson 5-11 181 Jr. NA NA
6 DeAndre Hopkins 6-1 200 So. 4 4 17 B.J. Chitty 6-2 199 Fr. 2 3
KOR 2 Sammy Watkins 6-1 200 Fr. 5 5 PR 15 Justin Albert 5-8 171 So. NA NA
5 Mike Bellamy 5-10 175 Fr. 4 5 5 Corey Johnson 6-0 186 Jr. NR NR
23 Andre Ellington 5-10 190 *Jr. 4 4 KOR 5 Corey Johnson 6-0 186 Jr. NR NR
20 Shawn Southward 5-8 189 Jr. 2 3
15 Justin Albert 5-8 171 So. NA NA
4 Chris Anderson 5-8 184 Jr. 3 2

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That’s a very experienced defense for Troy


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2011 7:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Looks like they got midgets playing free safety.

They also got a corner that’s 5’8" 160. That’s Jacoby sized and probably not as fast. 208 seems kind of light for a SAM as well.

by OrangeBritches on Aug 31, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good first test for our defense

The ACC is not as pass happy a conference as some others so a Troy team that looks to throw first and foremost should help our backfield mature a bit with a trial by fire. It doesn’t matter how bad their players are if our DBs aren’t in position and give up big plays like what happened with Miami last year. I like playing Troy first becuase they are a team you have to take seriously and they have a very very good DE how will test our OL and this will show how much of an impact our new OL coach has had on them so far.

by D'Arve21 on Aug 31, 2011 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Looking at their D-Front

We should be able to pound these guys. One DT has decent size, but Freeman McClain and Smith have been facing BT all summer. That other guy is a lightweight, and his backup is too. I’m down for 65%-70% run in this game, attack the A-Gap and lets keep it moving. Can’t wait for the gameday thread.

"Well Mr. Accountant, everytime you move that pencil does someone hit you in the mouth?" - Robbie Caldwell

by scgreatest803 on Aug 31, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Fajgenbaum and Denton- and ST's

No silly misques please guys. Snap, hold, and kick.

Also please Dabo, no special teams shenanigans, kick it off, punt it from a standard punt formation, and lets go 7/7 on Extra Points. I’m still haunted by that pointless rollout pooch punt against GT that got returned for a touchdown. Keep it simple!

Oh yeah and Dwayne Allen needs to be a spectator on Kickoff and punt teams…Keep the big fella fresh PLEASE!

"Well Mr. Accountant, everytime you move that pencil does someone hit you in the mouth?" - Robbie Caldwell

by scgreatest803 on Aug 31, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

*Benton

"Well Mr. Accountant, everytime you move that pencil does someone hit you in the mouth?" - Robbie Caldwell

by scgreatest803 on Aug 31, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think s.anthony sees the field alot

considering the raves he recieves about his coverage skills. DrB what do we look like on the injury front?

by 5knklshfl on Aug 31, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Look good, nothing major

Thompson’s knee will probably get him some more rest than he’d usually play in this game, but I don’t recall any other biggies.

by DrB on Aug 31, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks to FigureFour for putting this together. Though these 2-deep comparisons would start to get a LOT more relevant with Auburn.

I’m actually a bit surprised that the rankings talent gap is that big.

I hope this is a thumping and our backups get some good experience.

by RazzMcTazz on Sep 1, 2011 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

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