Sunday Football News and Thoughts
There really isn't anything earth shattering coming out of Clemson's post-Saturday scrimmage. Per Coach Swinney, this scrimmage pitted the 1's vs 2's on both sides of the ball to get quality reps for the 2's. Again, the scrimmage was situational.
Today is Fan Appreciation Day. With two full weeks of practice until season's start, the coaches will begin to diverge from simply teaching the basics, including core scheme installations, and focus more on game preparation. They essentially have another week to work on general items (including the game day walkthrough this Friday), then it's preparation for Troy.
The Catman, barring some strange turn of events, will be the starting placekicker entering the Troy game. The Sweatshirt appears to be happy with Chandler Catanzaro, repeatedly praising his near 85% accuracy mark over the fall. As we found out last season, being a practice superstar kicker really doesn't mean much if it doesn't carry over to the game. We also heard some praise regarding the snappers and holders. There is no excuse for less and we'll hold Danny Pearman responsible for correcting mishaps from one season ago.
There have been a lot of questions about our linebackers and we now have a good idea where we stand. The freshmen are extremely, extremely talented and are physically ready to go. They are behind the starters because they are not far enough along mastering the linebacker complexity of Steele's defense. Anthony is finally starting to put more of the pieces together. My opinion is that both he and Steward will avoid the redshirt this season (Anthony was never really in doubt and Steward only because of his questionable ACL).
We expect big things out of Malliciah Goodman. Steele has repeatedly praised him and we hope he is ready to live up to his potential in '11. Clemson needs someone to step up on the end following last season's attrition.
Both Morris and Swinney appear to be pleased with the offensive adaptation throughout camp. Morris plans to slow things down a little early this week and rehash many of the concepts already installed. I am guessing they are not entirely done but have completed the vast majority of the install process. Either way, the season is too close not to begin more of a "regular" practice routine.
I'll be eager to see how Morris approaches the after-practice "Finish" sessions moving forward. The Chad used these periods to better condition his offensive players and motivate them through extra drills, running, and up-downs. There is a fine line during the season of maintaining proper conditioning and burning out your players. Coaches know this so you generally don't see quite as much running and up downs in season outside of basic conditioning. Extra is typically punishment.
The buzz is Bellamy will be the #2 back headed into Troy. The staff seems to feel most comfortable with D.J. Howard at third team. The Sweatshirt openly chatted about how Howard is probably the best "fiull time" option outside of Ellington at this point. I am not counting out Roderick McDowell or Demont Buice just yet
I am a little concerned about Bellamy. Yes, he is lightning quick and will make things happen for the Tigers this season. It just seems as though he has missed a lot of practice time this fall with a bum shoulder. Maybe the staff is just being cautious with this young man and doesn't want him taking too many hits, especially in a scrimmage. I am a little concerned about his durability and look for him to add weight over the offseason-which won't help us immediately.
Andre Ellington was severely limited in the scrimmage, playing only the first series. As we've said before, Ellington in in good overall physical shape (injury looks to be completely healed as well) but still has a ways to go to get to 100% football shape (taking hits and such certainly take an extra toll on the body). These items combined with a faster pace offense pressure Andre to assure he's 100% by the Auburn game, which is a very reasonable expectation.
Sammy Watkins was identified as a starter on Friday. The first team (as of today) will consist of Watkins, Brown, and Hopkins. Like we've told you before, Brown is being pushed hard by Peake. Don't be surprised to see Charone Peake take over that spot if Brown cannot consistently perform. Rumors from camp also indicate that Adam Humphries may avoid a redshirt this season. Yeah, we are surprised and pretty much had him all but identified as a redshirt in '11. He has impressed folks and was identified by Tajh Boyd as a camp surprise. I've been a little surprised by the lack of noise Martavis Bryant made over the past couple weeks. I really expected him to come in and challenge, particularly after a good season at Hargrave last fall.
Sammy Watkins, Mike Bellamy, and Brandon Thompson were all held out of Saturday's scrimmage. All are expected to participate in practice on Monday.
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If I remember right...
Before practice you warned us not to read too much into the coach-speak and hype that some players would get. I realize that Dabo has dialed down some of the jump up and screen optimism of the previous years, but I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on which stories you are most inclined to believe/disbelieve.
For example, it seems that you’re buying into the Tajh Boyd hype that has been slowly building to a crescendo since Fall practice began.
Eat shit and die carolina!
I know this is addressed to FF, but when reading your comment
I can see where a person could conceive the reports as hype concerning Tajh. I don’t think the writers on this site buying into any hype, and to be honest from the media comments that have been made by Dabo and Chad Morris concerning Tajh’s progression through camp I don’t get a sense that they (the coaches) are hyping up Tajh as the savior of 2011, either.
All I have gotten from the videos and the articles is that Tajh has worked hard to improve himself since the end of Spring drills. What has been observed by people watching practices is that he has improved in comparison to what was seen in April. His stat lines from the scrimmages are better as compared to what he did in the Spring. He came in in better shape than he was in the Spring. What does this all mean…, nothing. Until the games start in two weeks they really don’t know, but for right now all they have is what positives they can see right now, which is that Tajh has worked hard to prepare himself for the upcoming season and that this is reflected by his performance during Fall camp.
His performance as compared to Cole Stoudt and Tony Mcneal shows a larger separation between the three, which was not the meme in April. Both coaches and teammates have noted Tajh was constantly seen either watching film, lifting weights and performing drills all through the summer at Clemson. When asked about the improvement Morris didn’t offer hype about Boyd’s improvement, he just said that Tajh was improving in the way that they expect him to be able to, but that he still had work to do. I think the only thing I would look as a little media hype (but not here at STSL) is in his ability in running with the football, that they will not know until the outside competition starts. But even then no one is comparing him to Cam Newton or Mike Vick either.
To be honest with you, you never know what to believe until you see the live bullets flying.
Tajh Boyd, for instance…I have seen his physical improvement (he trimmed down quite a bit over the offseason) so I legitimately believe he worked pretty hard (at least getting in shape) over the summer. From the clips I’ve seen and observations outside of Morris/Swinney, Tajh has drastically improved his fundamentals. So, there is some tempered optimism there if, for no other reason, I think Boyd is much further along from a physical and fundamental aspect now than I expected him to be. As you well know, understanding and leading an offense in a real game is completely different than practice. We’ll know what we have by the end of September. At least we know Boyd is the best QB on campus, so there will be no controversy there. I still don’t have a solid idea how he will hold up running the ball as many times as he’ll probably run it nor am I sure how Tajh will be able to make proper decisions on zone reads and throwing the ball…that is only seen in the games.
Similar situation with Watkins. Everybody looks good before the pads go on. Watkins, from the clips I’ve seen and all the practice reports, has been outstanding to date. I fully expect him to come in and be no worse than receivers from last season (not too high a bar set) early and make a real impact by season’s end. Morris will throw deep and, from everything I’ve seen on video and know from his past and his track history, he can flat out fly AND he apparently can catch the ball. So I’ll definitely buy into some of this hype although I want to see it on Saturdays.
I will not buy into offensive line hype. I know Antoine McLain was praised and all early but he showed up in absolutely terrible shape. I don’t buy that he is the All-American Dabo makes him out to be and until I see repeated effort and him get after somebody’s ass for a whole game, I will remain skeptical.
Same for placekicking. I don’t give a shit how many kicks are made in practice. Catman was a practice All-American last season and you see how that turned out.
I can get down with Andre Ellington being 100% but not in football shape. It is easy to get in non-contact shape but a whole new game when the pads are on. I don’t have concerns here as there is still a lot of time to get into complete “football” shape. I just don’t want him hurt.
I am concerned about Mike Bellamy. I know the coaches love him and I will probably be wow’ed at least once this year by his athletic ability. It just seems like his shoulder has been bothering him an awful lot which questions how many quality snaps we can expect out of him.
I understand why the biggest story out of the linebackers (freshman) is whether or not Steward’s knee is ok. Steele’s scheme puts a lot of pressure on the linebackers and it is tough to expect a freshman to pick everything up in one camp. That’s why you aren’t hearing the buzz out of the linebackers (FR) like you are hearing out of the young receivers…that is also why the veterans, for the most part, have escaped without too much pressure from the young guys. By the way, I forgot to mention earlier that Steele discussed moving Anthony to MLB officially today.
I guess to answer your question, I probably feel a little more comfortable with the offense than I expected coming out of the spring. I still realize we have a first year coordinator who installed a much different offense than we ran the past couple years. I also know how bad we were with the football last season so, while we cannot get any worse, I am not exactly expecting an offensive juggernaut. I am very, very concerned about line depth on both sides. I’ll continue to have questions at DB until October and know we’ll improve there.
Possibly a reason people are taking the coaches more at their word is because a guy like Morris doesn’t appear to blow smoke up your ass in an interview. If something is not right, he won’t sit there and baby a player, he’ll call people out. Hence, we know the receivers really sucked in the spring and that Tajh needed a lot of work. Thus, I’ll now expect some mistakes by younger receivers (he will play young talent over veterans all day) and some growing pains out of Boyd…
I highly prefer honesty over our head coach touting Kyle Parker as NFL material. That is just and creates expectations that are just too high. I continue to warn you not to take too much away from the "coach speak’ moving forward. We don’t want people with sky high expectations to get their hearts broken like years past.
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by FIGUREFOUR on Aug 21, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Really awesome post.
I am with you, and want to see what happens once the season starts. But, I am encouraged that the offense is simple, and Tajh was an all american, five star guy coming out of HS. He presumably has the ability, and with decent coaching, he should be able to run our offense. He also has Ellington and a veteran OL, which should help.
Keep up the good work.
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by Tigerplowboy on Aug 21, 2011 5:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
With Anthony moving to MLB
Do you see them moving Steward to WILL? I feel like from a personnel perspective it makes the most sense. That would give us Steward, Anthony, Christian next year.
So far, that is the plan...
The way I understand it, Steward and Anthony just switched positions (essentially). This one will be interesting to watch, especially to see how these two earn snaps this year (assuming neither redshirts).
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This is interesting and unexpected
Do you think this affects where Parker starts getting snaps as well, heard he as playing all over the place but mostly Mike and Will. I don’t know alot about where his abilities are but could he get work at Sam?
Another thing that I’ve been pondering lately is if we don’t move to the 3-4 more often then I was thinking earlier and if this has any potential influence…
Do you feel like these positions best suit their abilities? I thought WILL suited Anthony pretty well because of his coverage ability. But then on the other hand, MLB also fits his mental ability to quarterback a defense. What about Steward?
Steele did not comment on this item other than to confirm the move after yesterday’s scrimmage. Honestly, it was a bit of a surprise for me…I heard some rumblings earlier but cast them off as them cross training and/or just trying a couple things out.
We had Anthony pegged at outside as you probably know.
Steele has complained about some inconsistencies with the younger guys.
One thing to remember…against spread offenses we play nickel which will blur the "traditional" assignments played by the linebackers.
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Awesome Response
These were exactly the things I was asking about. Thanks for the excellent post.
Eat shit and die carolina!
Yes, one thing that everybody agrees on so far
is that we like the Morris “accountability based” quotes we’re getting a lot better than the Dabo “unicorns and lollipops” quotes we were getting all last year.
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I dont read that much into what they are saying
but from what I’m hearing out of practice, Tajh really is performing very well.
Bryant
I am a bit concerned about Martavious bryant. Comign into camp he seemd to out shine Peake and that contineud until a few weeks ago. I am concerned that the hype behind him may have been overblown and don’t want another situation with someone like Xavier dye who showed promise but never fully achieved what we thought he would. Are these concerns unfounded? Is the drop off more to do with him not understanding the schemes, which is in and of itself a bit troubling, or is there something else hindering the young man?
I am not sure I would get too fired up too early
Bryant came in and was physically ready to play but needed to grasp more of the offense. It is way too early to compare him to Dye. Also, being behind Peake and Watkins doesn’t exactly make you a chump…both those guys are pretty good; Watkins grabbed a starting spot and Peake has been pushing Brown already.
Point I am trying to make is that just because you arrive at school in excellent physical shape doesn’t mean you are necessarily ready to take a starting role. Bryant is a freshman and, had our receivers not been complete shit last year, I don’t know that we’d be pressing this guy so early. I have a feeling he’ll get on the field early this year. Also, the offense is pretty straight forward, which also plays in his favor.
Let’s not get too excited although, like you, I was anticipating him being further along at this point.
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I had the same impression but...
Not everybody progresses the same and if anybody should be aware it is us that just because physical tools are in place does not mean you’re an all star. If we hit on 2 of 3 this year I won’t be too concerned. On the other hand he is still basically a RS freshman and look at a guy like aaron kelly, who I wouldn’t say was too bad. Wasn’t ready his first year but was OK, don’t expect that out of this guy but not giving up yet.
My big concern really is the depth in the trenches and maybe more worried about next year assuming we can escape injury. But still one thing I give credit to this site, they are very objective and knowledgable, maybe moreso than any other college football site on the net. Doom and gloom are appropriate when it is the reality, I am also in the camp of being more optimistic than I was 8 months ago or even 1. Still I am not expecting too much and if we are worse than what I expect I will be calling for whatever is the source of that problem to change…
Humphries
I am suprised that it’s being said he won’t red shirt. While he was vastly overshadowed by the other freshmen, I hear he is a good reciever who makes good ctaches in practice consistently. However, with all the talent that is already there and the fact that niether Watkins, Bryant, or Peake are going to redshirt, is it wise to allow him to avoid red shirting and saving a year of playing time? I just wonder how much PT he can be expected to see with all the bodies we have currently at wide reciever.
Its a good question
If a guy is going to be good, but wont get 200 snaps, then youre doing him a disservice by not redshirting.
Is Steele Overcomplicating the Scheme?
Steele has said that he is not a big fan of redshirting, and true freshmen can learn his system, like they did at Bama. Well, in his first two years at CU the LB play has been spotty at best and he ended up wasting three redshirts last season. Now they are through the basic training part of camp and he is still jockeying guys around. He’s got five really talented young LBs to work with – seems like some of them would be further along.
I dont think its overcomplex
I think we have a lot of young guys that are all playing at or around the same level and he’s tinkering while he can.
I think this week he’s going to have to sort it out.
I just want to say yall have done a really good job covering fall camp.
I think most fans want to know who is going to play, who is excelling, who is not performing, and how all of the pieces will fit together once the games start. It is hard to know without going to practice, but reading yalls take is definitely the next best thing. Others report what the coaches are saying, but somehow yall are able to cut through their BS and give us a better understanding of what is really going on. Thankyou.
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by Tigerplowboy on Aug 22, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Question.
What do yall make of all of the talk around Ryan Norton? I agree with yall and think true freshman OL should redshirt, but if Norton was a viable backup at center, then Cloy could take David Smith’s spot, and Smith could move to left tackle. I kind of think they want to RS Norton, but they realize that Smith needs to go to LT. I think thye thought Brandon Thomas would get it done, and he just isn’t.
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by Tigerplowboy on Aug 22, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they are sticking with Price at LT, and using Cloy and Davis as backups
but if they leave Cloy at C, he wont be able to rep at all at Guard because there is no other backup at Center.
The pure lack of depth is pushing this move. I suspect we’ll see Mason Cloy substituted in a lot this season (at both guard and center) meaning A) he’ll be tired and B) we are paper thin at both the center and guard position, especially if we have a single injury.
We have to have bodies and we really need another body at center to get a little depth and allow Cloy to rotate in at the guard position more.
Dr. B is correct, as much as we’d like to see it, we just don’t have the depth to really get the best 5 on the field…
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Has your mind changed on Price at this point?
Or, do you guys still think we’re in big trouble if he starts. I know you’ve heard that recently he is getting a lot of compliments on his performance in camp from both Morris and Caldwell.
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That is kind of why I think they are going to figure a way to cross train David Smith at left tackle.
They need a plan b, and all reports seem to indicate Brandon Thomas aint it. Very discouraging that offensive lineman who will have to start next season aren’t even good enough to provide quality depth right now.
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by Tigerplowboy on Aug 22, 2011 11:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I haven't changed my mind, especially without seeing this team
play a game. My current opinion is that we simply do not have enough quality depth to move people around. Hence, we are really painted into a corner by necessity.
If we could get another quality body at center, that may change things a good bit. However, everything I’ve heard points to about 6-7 guys who are ready to play (I am only confident really in 6 of those guys)…no depth behind them and it is pretty obvious the strategy here is to use 5 and have the capable sixth member as a utility guy, backing up multiple positions.
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