Recruiting Analysis Summary and Observations (2006 to Present)
We exhaustively looked at recruiting statistics dating back to the 2006 class over the past couple months. In a nutshell, we took recruiting data from Scout and Rivals to create these articles that compared Clemson's recruiting class size and the star ratings of the class' players to others around the conference and Southeast. These data sets are important for a couple reasons. First, they give insight on the overall talent level of our team compared to our foes. Equally important, they provide a base for our coaching assessments and of player development.
Assumptions made in creating these articles can be found here. I should point out that we strictly used www.scout.com position classifications. It is possible that some players ended up at a different position ball after they arrived on campus for any of the schools in these articles. If you have not been keeping up with these articles, Table I and Table II provide a summary of these articles. The latter provides links to all the articles. Also, the term quantity refers to the number signed per class and the term quality refers to the average star rating per player.
Table I (below) is a summary of the categories led based on average star ratings and class size. We put together nine articles for each category (ACC Atlantic, ACC Coastal, and non-ACC comparisons), so there's a total of 18 "quality and quantity" categories evaluated through this series.
Table I: Recruiting Article Summary: Categories Led
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ACC ATL |
ACC Coastal |
Non-ACC |
Total |
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Clemson |
12 |
13 |
9 |
34 |
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Non-Clemson |
5 |
5 |
9 |
19 |
**Note: Clemson tied the ACC Atlantic average in quantity of ACC ATL Special Teams players signed
Interpretation of the Data as it Relates to Football Success:
Over the course of these articles, one item repeatedly stuck out when comparing Clemson to in-conference foes: Clemson out-recruits the majority of the schools repeatedly and Clemson definitely out-recruited the rest of the ACC as a whole. Based on recruited talent alone, you should expect Clemson to have won multiple ACC Championships over the past five seasons. Alas, that is not the case. Clemson's coaching staffs (both Bowden and Swinney-led) have failed to develop their superior talent into a championship quality team and lost many more games overall than it should have over this time period.
What causes these failures in spite of superior talent?
S&C: As we've pointed out before, our Strength and Conditioning program is simply inadequate and does not build these athletes into football players using modern S&C philosophies (if you want to see something impressive, look at what Jimbo Fisher has done at FSU in this department). Our practice philosophy is lacking. Our players are not in football shape compared to other teams, which is ridiculous.
Practice Philosophy: Clemson runs relatively non-physical practices. These items were criticized by Coach Ford when he swore off attending Clemson practice sessions and has been documented here at STS. The ones don't go against the ones and there is very little fundamental get after someone's ass practice periods at Clemson outside of fall camp. In short, we play soft because we practice soft. WRs cant block and DBs and LBs don't get off blocks because they don't face 1st team on the other side often enough. We show piss poor fundamentals because we don't commit practice time to correcting and repeating proper fundamental technique. You want proof that CU's practices and in-season conditioning programs are lacking? Look no farther than Jamie Harper's in-season weight gain last year. He went from ~230 to 250 lbs by the bowl game. There is no excuse for that. Over the last few years we've seen DL gain 20lbs in-season, men showing up to August practice fat (and they train all year), a training staff that allowed Rendrick Taylor to go from a specimen to someone so big he couldn't run anymore, as well as not being able to put muscle mass on players like Ricky Sapp, who needed it, for 4 years.
Offensive Complexity: Spence created this elaborate concoction of an offense that was extremely difficult for college athletes to grasp given limited instructional time. This issue created more problems when the complexity was combined with poor practice philosophy and lack of practice repetition, plus HC meddling. Napier simplified this offense some, but there was never an identity and we were still running plays that had not been properly installed through practice sessions. How can you expect people to be successful when the prep work is so sloppy and the material too complicated?
The Little Things: Clemson fails to correctly do the little things that win games. We repeatedly complain about wide receiver blocking and special teams goofs. Poor snaps and lack of effort in perimeter blocking are just two of the small items that contribute to a loss on Saturday. We have all heard the murmurings from Coach Rumph contrasting the Clemson and Bama philosophies. Saban runs a tight ship and demands everyone focus on all items (big and small) that win games. I don't see this detail-related focus in Pickens County.
Table II: Recruiting Article Summary
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Position |
Comparative Group |
Article Link |
Metric |
Clem AVG |
Opp Avg |
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Wide Receiver |
Atlantic |
Quantity |
2.67 |
2.50 |
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|
Quality |
3.48 |
2.91 |
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Coastal |
Quantity |
2.67 |
2.80 |
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|
Quality |
3.48 |
2.85 |
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Non-ACC |
Quantity |
2.67 |
3.30 |
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Quality |
3.48 |
3.36 |
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Running Back |
Atlantic |
Quantity |
1.17 |
1.53 |
|
|
Quality |
3.85 |
2.78 |
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Coastal |
Quantity |
1.17 |
1.63 |
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|
Quality |
3.85 |
3.15 |
|||
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Non-ACC |
Quantity |
1.17 |
1.77 |
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|
Quality |
3.85 |
3.71 |
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Defensive Back |
Atlantic |
Quantity |
3.17 |
2.33 |
|
|
Quality |
3.36 |
2.83 |
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Coastal |
Quantity |
3.17 |
2.20 |
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|
Quality |
3.36 |
2.86 |
|||
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Non-ACC |
Quantity |
3.17 |
2.67 |
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|
Quality |
3.36 |
3.27 |
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Offensive Line |
Atlantic |
Quantity |
3.83 |
4.30 |
|
|
Quality |
3.18 |
2.72 |
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Coastal |
Quantity |
3.83 |
3.60 |
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|
Quality |
3.18 |
2.94 |
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Non-ACC |
Quantity |
3.83 |
4.47 |
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|
Quality |
3.18 |
3.25 |
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Linebackers |
Atlantic |
Quantity |
2.67 |
2.77 |
|
|
Quality |
3.12 |
3.00 |
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Coastal |
Quantity |
2.67 |
3.13 |
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|
Quality |
3.12 |
2.86 |
|||
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Non-ACC |
Quantity |
2.67 |
2.97 |
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|
Quality |
3.12 |
3.35 |
|||
|
Defensive Line |
Atlantic |
Quantity |
3.83 |
4.00 |
|
|
Quality |
3.63 |
3.00 |
|||
|
Coastal |
Quantity |
3.83 |
3.47 |
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|
Quality |
3.63 |
2.93 |
|||
|
Non-ACC |
Quantity |
3.83 |
5.30 |
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|
Quality |
3.63 |
3.40 |
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Quarterbacks |
Atlantic |
Quantity |
1.33 |
1.27 |
|
|
Quality |
3.52 |
2.82 |
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Coastal |
Quantity |
1.33 |
1.43 |
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|
Quality |
3.52 |
2.99 |
|||
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Non-ACC |
Quantity |
1.33 |
1.27 |
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|
Quality |
3.52 |
3.46 |
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Fullback/Tight End |
Atlantic |
Quantity |
1.33 |
1.67 |
|
|
Quality |
2.92 |
2.88 |
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Coastal |
Quantity |
1.33 |
1.57 |
||
|
Quality |
2.92 |
2.77 |
|||
|
Non-ACC |
Quantity |
1.33 |
1.57 |
||
|
Quality |
2.92 |
3.07 |
|||
|
Special Teams |
Atlantic |
Quantity |
0.67 |
0.67 |
|
|
Quality |
2.58 |
2.13 |
|||
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Coastal |
Quantity |
0.67 |
0.53 |
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|
Quality |
2.58 |
2.21 |
|||
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Non-ACC |
Quantity |
0.67 |
0.60 |
||
|
Quality |
2.58 |
2.36 |
So you can see Clemson does well enough to win this Conference in terms of quality, and if you go back through each article linked and notice the first table above, you'll see that we are on par or better in most categories we looked at. So, what are the problems with the analysis that could creep up? I see three areas but there are two main categories:
- Either the services doing the ratings are wrong
- or CU coaches and S&C staff (3rd area, and a discussion of its own) is doing a poor job with the players once they are in school
We know that there's a southern-bias to some of the various ratings services. There are more eyes on players down here and without question the majority of the talent in the country is in the southeast. Do the guys doing the player ratings change them based on other recommendations and phone calls from coaches? Yes, they do and we know they have. Do they raise ratings of players committed to certain schools? Barry Every of Rivals said so, and then he was fired for it. Do the services have football people doing these ratings? Not always. Some are ex-players or coaches, but most are just football nerds. Its better to look at an offer list and film of a player rather than his rating and in most of our recruiting articles outside of this ad hoc series, that's what we do.
A problem with that line of reasoning, as being the only answer to our problems at CU, is that the services are not wrong on the whole statistically. If a guy is 5-star, he's good, and his offer list will show it. If one is rated a 5 and has offers only from Wofford or Furman, people are going to call BS pretty damn quick and somebody else from rivals/scout gets fired. As more services sprout up and compete, the quality of the rating system will only improve. There were more misses, in my opinion, by Rivals in 2000 than there are now for just that reason. More eyes will eventually get on players up north and this southern bias will decline, but there is no question that Clemson has more speed than most of our opponents, and we are competing for the best recruits with Alabama, UGA, Florida, Miami, Auburn, etc. every year. So no, the services may miss a player or two in a class, but on the whole they turn out good.
If you allow for a rating miss by the services of a couple per class, then the problem shifts to development and coaching. Coaches do the offering, not Rivals, so either the coaches at 10 schools are all wrong or the 4-star player who signs here and doesn't do anything in 4 years isn't being developed. In certain years we may not carry enough numbers at a position, or a position's problems cause us to lose games (OLine, LBs), but if it continues year after year, you have little choice but to point back at the coaches and the training staff.
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Nice Job.
It’s also hard to win football games when your head coach doesn’t actually know how he wants to go about doing that.
Excellent Article
This was my biggest issue with making Dabo head coach. Great guy, and i certainly like him, but it would have been nice to bring in someone who would have completely cleaned house and brought in new people for every possible coaching position.
Athletic Director
We need a new AD and some of the trustees need to be replaced . This program is flush with cash but it is also poorly manage and disorganized as all hell.Dabo was a compromise at best when he was hired , but I will say he won the games the fans went nuts and TDP was in a lose , lose situation . The trustees were not coming of the cash to hire a name coach and the fans demanded Dabo . Hell even I thought it was a smart move at the time .
AD
Agreed, in December the entire campus was buzzing when the rumors were going around that TDP was going to be fired. Unfortunately it didn’t happen, would have been a step in the right direction
Chad Kelly
What are you guys thoughts on this kid? Seems a good big of brand name programs are recruiting him, rivals projects him as a 3 star..from what ive read on TI seems like Morris is gung-ho about getting him here..To me his film looks pretty good.
Interested in others thoughts and opinions..
I'm not thrilled with him
Best of whats available to us I think, but he has prima donna issues.
Has quit 3 teams in the past. I’m not confident The Head Cheerleader could straighten that out.
by DrB on Jun 8, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree with Article
As far as the ranking services are concerned, I do believe they tend to rate kids in the football crazy states higher than elsewhere. It is good for their business and that is where the analysts live. Look at the kids BC has put into the NFL and where they were ranked out of high school. I also think Rivals in particular tends to overrate lots of guys. Having said that, there is no question CU has had better talent than most or our competetion and has grossly underachieved.
The biggest problem with our program continues to be that it is soft both mentally and physically. Too much country club and not enough boot camp. How often do we hear “everyone is happy”? It would be nice if some of the dead wood quit because it was too tough. Like you said, the guys that should be running the locker room are instead the ones getting fat during the season.
I think Dabo has put together a really good staff, and he seems to recognize some of these problems (unlike Bowden). Whether or not he can turn things around is still a big question.
Good News
We offered another fucking kick specialists today . how many are on scholly now that cant kick worth a fuck
Dabo has to fill the 5-heart team remember
Dabo prolly ran to him, they headbutted each other, and then did the cadence count screaming ALL IN.
by DrB on Jun 8, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Riley Ferguson
What do you think of this kid? Seems like Morris is pretty high on him for 2012. How does he compare to Kelly?
by judge jeff davis on Jun 8, 2011 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
If our S&C really is to blame
Wouldn’t you expect that to change now that basically every coach on the staff has been replaced with one that came from somewhere else?
Wouldn’t they notice if the players here are fat and slow compared to the guys wherever they came from, and bring that topic up in meetings? These guys aren’t all a bunch of football rookies.
I would expect the HC to know when his offensive assistants couldnt do the job and that
the Spence system was a complete mess instead of sticking with it 2 years and trying to hybridize 3 offensive themes into one framework, but that didnt happen either.
The S&C coach is the HC’s choice. Bowden almost didnt retain Batson but other buddies of his called and Joey kept the job, and Dabo has kept him on.
But you can watch those workout videos and see if this guy is pushing them to their limit for yourself.
I do know that Morris’ system of conditioning that he brought didnt jive with what Batson wanted to do, but Morris gets his way.

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