Orange Bowl / Post Reg. Season/ACCCG Sunday Thoughts
This one has been brewing for a while. Again, we are very happy that we were able to capture the ACC crown but still think there is a lot of room for improvement. So, here we go:
Overall Recap:
The past year has been a rollercoaster for the Clemson football program. After being embarrassed in the Tire Bowl, Swinney retooled his staff-most notably with offensive coordinator Chad Morris. Clemson was able to sign a very highly rated class that immediately upgraded team talent-specifically through All-World receiver Sammy Watkins. Morris then challenged his players following Spring drills and really got this group committed to his system. Coming out of camp we were sure of very few items. We were concerned following two ho-hum outings to start the season. Then Auburn comes in and punches Clemson in the mouth to start the September contest. Then something impressive happened. Clemson fought back and fought back with a vengeance, blistering their Tigers for the better part of three quarters. Clemson then upended ACC-Atlantic favorite Florida State before crushing ACC-Coastal favorite Virginia Tech in their crib. The Tigers put together three consecutive weeks of solid football (against ranked squads) for the first time in quite a while.
Clemson then played a steady game against Boston College (and got an injury scare from Tajh) before the Sammy Watkins experience up in College Park. In this victory, many concerns became reality, especially on the defensive side of the football. Clemson then drilled North Carolina but again gave up a lot of points and played poor fundamental defensive football.
Then the bottom fell out. Clemson got drilled in Atlanta. Our Tigers then responded after an off-week with a lackluster performance that (fortunately) sealed up the ACC Atlantic division crown. Clemson got dominated on the road two weeks in a row (NCST then SC) before turning a complete 180 and rolling Virginia Tech for the second time this season-this time in CLT for the ACC Championship.
If that wasn't a season of highs and lows, I don't know what is. So, what does this all mean? First, you always hear bystanders and coaches alike discussing how this is a young team and does well when it has momentum and seems to struggle handling good things. This starts with the head coach. How can you expect your players to run on an even keel when you are encouraging Gatorade baths on a weekly basis or screaming at your quarterback during critical portions of football games? I like Dabo's high energy level and think it is a big key to his success on the recruiting trail, but think some of these pep-rally tactics do cause some emotional swings for his football team. This is, however, NOT the root cause of our struggles NOR the source of our consistent play to end the month of September.
Clemson's offense, like the overall team, had its ebbs and flows. There is no doubt that Chad Morris' influence was a major cause of the transformation from 2010 to 2011. While his high paced offense is relatively simple (X's and O's-wise), core portions of his attack were quickly implemented and successfully executed quickly. It is impressive when you realize that only 70-75% of his offense is truly installed. Long and short, Morris has been successful through a simple philosophy that is steadily repeated by his players. The coach mixes and matches the decisions to match in-game situations so that the players are playing instead of thinking.
Morris also demands more than his predecessor and is a stickler for fundamentals. While most offensive players still have a ways to go in this category, you cannot argue that Boyd's overall physique improved going into the season. His mechanics are improving and we look to Morris to shore up some of the footwork issues we've noticed over the season. Morris also does a good job creating opportunities for his players and keeping them from hurting themselves. You saw this with Boyd through play calling and adjustments made through the season.
THE RECEIVERS ACTUALLY BLOCK!! Well, Nuk blocked last season, but that is about all. Watkins does a good job blocking and Jaron Brown got busy on the perimeter this season as well. Why the turnaround? Well, I think there are a couple of guys who are just football players and love to do the little things (Hopkins, Watkins). There was a serious attitude adjustment when Morris told the players that they would not play and definitely would not get the football if they did not block. THE RECEIVERS ACTUALLY CATCH THE FOOTBALL!! Again, an influx in talent combined with a no-nonsense OC are the likely drivers here. As we have told you over and over, anyone can block and almost anyone can learn to catch a football...it is just a matter of wanting to do these items well.
Clearly Sammy Watkins brought a spark to this group and the team. We did struggle against NCST without Sammy and you can attribute most of this to poor play up front but some of it to NCST's adjustments to CU's offense without Watkins. The others have stepped their game up here as well. WE already knew Nuk was a baller, but Brown made some key grabs as well. Newcomers like Humphries, Peake, and Bryant only added to the weapons here.
Clemson struggled up front running the football, and this has to be addressed. Pass blocking was good for the most part on the season (except, obviously, the late-November meltdowns). We are confident that Coach Caldwell is, again, a better line coach than his predecessor. It will simply take more than one season to put together a good all-around line. We did not give Phillip Price enough props to start the season and it is apparent he will be missed next season as will most of the seniors and potentially Dalton Freeman should he choose to enter the draft. You all know which players just don't give a damn and piss away talent via previous STS articles, so I won't belabor that item although it did kill a lot of plays that had a lot of promise on the year.
Andre Ellington ended the season as the back we all thought he was. He is a single cut back who has great vision and does an excellent job accelerating through the hole. AE was bothered by nagging injuries for most of the season yet was able to pound out 1000 yards on the season. All this was done behind an offensive line that got little push. His counterpart, Mike Bellamy, was erratic in his play. Bellamy appears immature and drew the ire of the coaching staff multiple times throughout the season. There is no doubt that Bellamy has the talent to be a star if he can better secure the football; the only question is his desire to be a team player, follow rules, and allow his coaches to mold him into a fine football player (especially with the speed he has). Howard played hard for us on the season, especially in the Auburn game.
Special teams was up and down. Punter Dawson Zimmerman had another excellent football season for us. This guy is a machine, averaging over 40 yards per punt again this season and doing everything he can to help this team. You often take punters for granted but we try to identify how significant Zimmerman's contributions have been over his career.
Catman finished the pre-bowl season with a 20-25 kicking performance. He missed a couple he probably should have made but did improve. We'll look for even more consistency next season, hopefully eliminating any miss inside 40 yards. Compared to last season, this is a vast improvement and a contribution to wins this season.
Our kick return team gave us decent field position for the most part. I know there was a dropoff when Sammy wasn't back there, but that is to be expected. Clemson had some big returns on the season and a lot of these returns set up quick scores by the offense. Watkins kick return against Maryland, one could argue, won the game for us. Punts are similar, though I would like to see more punts fielded than not.
Defensively, we were inconsistent to say the least. We told you up front that the interior DL would be thin and we saw this lack of depth rear its ugly head throughout the season. It did not help that Morris' offense pays no mind to time of possession which put the defense on the field more than normal, or rather quickly, but there was a dropoff when the first team came off the field. We'll miss both Rennie Moore and Brandon Thompson next season as both are good players and Thompson has the ability to manhandle opposing interior linemen. The defensive front completely dominated Virginia Tech in both matchups yet was stymied against the likes of Georgia Tech, NC State, and Carolina. We believe that practice philosophy hurt Clemson against GT. UGa went full contact for a large portion of the week and were able to handle Tech's cut blocks. Clemson did not and did not fare nearly as well. This item should be expanded to other portions of our defense.
Linebacker play overall left a lot to be desired. I am not sure it is an ability issue so much that the players are having to think too much and make too many presnap adjustments instead of just lining up, making a call, then playing football. Gap attack needs to be addressed as does pursuit angles. We were hoping that two freshman linebackers could step in an contribute but Steward was injured after an early season that was not noteworthy and Lateek Townsend incorrectly avoided a redshirt. Stephone Anthony did come on near the end of the season to contribute to this effort. Long and short, we either need to simplify the scheme (that Steele says is not overcomplicated), do a better job of identifying offensive sets/defensive assignments earlier, and/or better equip our players beforehand so that they do more playing and less thinking. Thinking slows down a defense.
The secondary was disappointing for me this season. There were improvements, and Coty Sensabaugh was a guy who we jumped all over early in the year but progressed with the calendar. Rashard Hall was hurt early, and we understand this adverse effect on the unit as a whole. The staff tried to use Xavier Brewer at more positions and that seemed to have an adverse effect on his overall play. Our tackling was poor for the most part and I wish someone would inform Mr. Meeks that he does indeed have arms and can use them to wrap up. I need to point out that this group did play ok after Steele showed more C1 late in the year. There was the Brewer/Hall incident in the ACCCG, but this experiment turned out better than I thought it would...likely because of the simplicity of the coverage and the lack of need to scream back and forth to try and get everyone in the correct coverage. As an aside, I wondered all season why all the members of the defensive backfield needed to yell at each other to get a coverage call. Typically the Safety calls the coverage and interaction after that includes basic coverage checks and, if necessary, a correction from the safety. We saw 20 second screaming matches and a secondary that looked confused for a large part of the year. Confused players get beat quickly and people would blame the position coach. Negative reaction to Harbison's coaching is warranted this year, but our problems are a symptom of the overcomplex scheme itself rather than technique issues.
Overall, we are happy we got to the 10 win plateau and won the ACC crown. Things are never as good as your best game and definitely not as bad as the worst. As you can see, we have good and bad in all areas of our team and we saw avalanches of good play and pits of poor play at various points during this season. One thing is certain, we have the talent to beat anyone on our schedule and did overcome fairly large Vegas odds at various points of this season. There were, unfortunately, times when we looked like complete crap and you wondered how this team had won four games. Moving forward, we would like to see something we haven't seen at Clemson in years-consistency week in and week out. Hopefully Dabo can make the adjustments on the recruiting trail, within the athletics department, and through practice philosophy that will allow more ten win seasons without the issues we saw in the month of November.
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great summary
The only point I think I saw was that starting around the 6th game, I thought the starters were losing their legs particularly on the OL and DL. Both OL and DL however seemed to suck it up and play the best game of the year in the ACCCG, whichsort of contradicts my theory. I think the coaching staff pulled out all the stops getting the players on an emotional high for the ACCCG. I hope they do the same next year for the SC game.
I am looking forward to next year, I hope that we will have a true 8 or 9 player rotation on the OL and the DL. We have the most DL and OL on the roster we have had since Dabo got the job and we are recruiting more true DT and beef for the OL that TB ever did. The recruiting under TB seemed to focus on speed so we recruited mainly DEs and turned them into DT such as Rennie Moore.
I know Anthony came on strong at the end of the season and he makes big plays, but Corico Hawkins had more tackles in the ACCCG with about the same number of snaps. I think the strength of the D next year will be LBs and DBs. Lots of depth, experience, and talent at both.
Anthony has been more consistent in my opinon
he makes rookiee mistakes but he’s a better player that Hawkins and I really don’t see Corico keeping his starting spot next year. But yes, I tooo noticed that hawkins started playing like he actually wanted to hit someone. Wish we could see that level of aggression more often but then again the same could be said for all our positions
BAring some injury to Anthony
I agree completely. I would have had Anthony starting after VT when he was in the back field with Branch most of the day. What do you think about Christian? I like WIllard and think he’s the most consistant of the starters, not so sure about Christian and am wondering if he is pushed aside next year.
Dabo
tends to be loyal to a fault, so I agree Anthony will have a hard time taking the starting role, but it won’t necessarily mean he isn’t the best man for the job.
by PenthouseTiger on Dec 12, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Some will say
Stephone has started like the last 3 or 4 games…He’s a mainstay in the nickle formation, which we play like 75% of the time…
Did anyone else notice when the camera showed Corico on the sideline of the ACCCG, when everyone was celebrating? He was just standing there with his helmet on..Stephone was flying around causing fumbles and smacking logan left and right…I think it has already happened.
"Just because you've had 2 or 3 good games doesn't mean anything right now. It's not the first 3 games you're going to be remembered by." - The Chad
by scgreatest803 on Dec 12, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
It was said before
that Steele was a bit wary of starting Anthony sooner becuase Hawkins might start to pout and more or less give up laying his best. If what you say is true, I think that it is already happeneing. No tears shed here though.
I do not think Corico Hawkins is pouting
Corico Hawkins had 9 tackles in the ACCCG, Stephon Anthony had 3, Anthony had 2 tackles for loss and 1 sack but only 3 tackles.
I do not care who starts, I would not be surprised if Anthony starts every game next year, but I would not be surprised if Hawkins starts either… I am very happy we have 2 middle LBs that are able to play. I think Anthony will have more tackles for loss than Hawkins may have more tackles next year.
Hawkins is serviceable at best
He is the weak link in an already pedestrian linebacking corps. It will be nice to have a veteran as a backup, but if he is starting next year then we have issues.
Agreed
I don’t care about the quantity of the tackles but the quality of them. Anthony made, arguably, the best play of the half with that forced fumble that set the tone for the entire game.
Stephone Anthony is great
But a tackle for loss on one play and a sack on the next and giving up a TD on the next does not make for a great defense. You need a tackle on every play! So Quantity does matter, how many yards you give up before the tackle is important as well, this year our leading tackler was our safety Hall was our leading tackler which means we are giving up too many yards before the tackle.
Anthony had 3 tackles in 33 snaps against VaTech … Hawkins had 7 tackles in 38 snaps. Hall had 8 in 74 snaps. Hawkins had more tackles per snap that anyone on the D. I do not know who will start next year, but Hawkins is not pouting and will play a lot and may lead the team in tackles even from a backup role because he is a veteran player and Steele looks at 15+ players as being starters and he likely will consider both of the them starters regardless of who is in on the first snap. Look at the depth chart for the ACCCG and the Orange bowl and see who is listed first.
Not arguing with you on that
but the fact still remains that from what little we’ve seen Anthony is a better player and plays much more aggressively, something that has been missing from our LB corp for a while. You say that Hawkins is a veteran player, that’s true, which is an even bigger mark against him becuase he simply doesn’t seem to make plays. The one thing that angers me about him more than anything is his inability to get off blocks or even a desire to try. Against GT and SC, I saw times where he stood there and allowed a defender to take him out of the play. If Hawkins continues to improve than I’m all for him starting. I don’t care who starts as long as they play their best and put us in the best position to win. As of right now, I would give that title to Anthony.
Hawkins had the worst tackles per snap ratio of any of our linebackers
You are focusing on one game. Look at the results from the entire season. Hawkins will need lead the team in tackles from the bench next year.
LB tackles/snap
Name Snaps Tac TFL Sacks Tackles/Snap
Andrews 28 4 0 0 .14
Anthony 247 28 6 2 .113
Chris-n 402 34 1.5 0 .08
Hawkins653 73 4 0 .118
Parker 33 10 0 0 .30
Shuey 48 26 0 0 .54
Steward 36 5 0 0 .13
Townsend 3 16 0 0 5.33
Willard 614 69 2.5 0 .112
Townsend and others may have inflated numbers because of special teams but I see why Townsend was needed on special teams and avoided the red shirt.
It would be good to rest my case
Hawkins had more tackles per snap than Willard, Anthony and Christian. Willard, Anthony and Hawkins are all pretty close 1.1 per snap but Hawkins has a little more per snap than the others.
Hawkins got 15 of those tackles in the GT game
in which he played horrible. Over half of his tackles are assists as well.
Unless he's never sent on blitzes
I’m on your side but I don’t remember us sending him into the backfield much.
by PenthouseTiger on Dec 13, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Well thats not true. MLB and WLB blitz all the time
Reason why you dont notice is because he never gets through. Hits blocker then stops
by DrB on Dec 13, 2011 9:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I remember against Troy how Anthony
laid out the QB on what I was told wasn’t really a blitz but he had the option to take it if it was there. Great closing speed and we saw the same in the ACCCG when he leveled Thomas. Didn’t get the sack but planted his butt in the ground, love to see that. He will be our starter next year, I hope.
I think DrB was referring to Christian not being pushed aside
I don’t want to speak for him, but I think he believes Anthony will start next year over Hawkins
Any updates
from the recruiting trail, any chance Dabo brings in a surprise big time recruit at the last minute this year DrB?
Eddie Goldman
I’m guessing we’ve cooled on him since the Watkins commit?
by PenthouseTiger on Dec 11, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
We've picked up long shots before
I think our odds go up at least a little if we’re making a big push for him.
by PenthouseTiger on Dec 11, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
whats the numbers look like
the last I heard we had cooled on dawson and informed him that we had 4 spots available , that we needed d-linemen and rb . same reason davis has not been offered . how many more players are going to transfer or just leave the team . my feeling is that bellamy is already toast at the end of the semester and that possible one of the linebackers will leave . what say you ?
I havent gotten a feeling on any LBs yet
but I do think 2-3 guys end up transferring.
Davis does have an offer, but Clemson won’t take the commitment because of numbers. Dawson is out.
I’m very pessimistic about Bellamy staying at Clemson.
My sources are saying the same about Bellamy
by PenthouseTiger on Dec 11, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
This is disappoint to the say the least
"Just because you've had 2 or 3 good games doesn't mean anything right now. It's not the first 3 games you're going to be remembered by." - The Chad
by scgreatest803 on Dec 12, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Not just four our team but for him as a player
I doubt he’d go anywhere good becuase he would now have the reputation of being a Prima Donna nd being unable to handle responsibilty and having a failure to toe the line. Add on that he’d have to sit out a year and it would turn out very badly for this young man. Hope he stays, if Ellington goes, we’ll need him next year.
Jonathan Bullard
What’s your gut feel on this guy? We obviously need him. How about Tori Gurley, Quinshad Davis, Mike Davis and Nick Davidson? Think we can pull any of them?
by judge jeff davis on Dec 11, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions
I feel good about Bullard
Gurley is one like Marshall where the relationship just wasn’t built and attended to for too long. I feel like he goes elsewhere.
Quinshad is ours if we want him, at least for another week or two. Otherwise he goes to Wake or Tennessee.
Mike Davis i feel better about than Gurley, but it might be the same deal.
I dont think we get Davidson. I do think we get Reader, but I’m not as enthusiastic about him as others are.
I heard that we were cooling on Davis
becuase we have a good leg up on WR in the 2013 recruiting trail. Would you take Davis now or hold the scholar for next year?
If we were to take him
would he red shirt considering the numbers we have and even should he avoid it, where do you see him playing. I guess my question is from the film who would he be playing behind next year? I like Humphries but there is a significant drop off in talent when Sammy goes out and he goes in. Could Davis fell the two deep behind Sammy?
He should RS
then he’d be a boundary receiver, either behind Hopkins (likely) or Watkins to the Field side.
Could somebody explain what the story is with Davis?
Who is the primary recruiter? Have we offered him? How much contact has the staff had with him? What’s the holdup? etc.
Jeff Scott is, and he does have an offer
but its not commitable. Clemson won’t take.
Numbers is the holdup. We don’t have enough scholarships to take anyone really.
We can't oversign?
Or are there bigger Fish in this year’s class they are waiting to hear from? Certainly WR is not a major need. Will he commit to someone else pretty soon?
They dont think we can fit the numbers.
He will go to Wake Forest if Clemson does not take him soon. Tennessee is another possibility.
We can only take the ones we have now, we’d need 2-3 transfers to get anyone in, and they think we get Reader and we may get Bullard. We may get Davis or Gurley. There arent enough spots for any of those guys as it is today.
There are a lot of good 2013 WRs
We are in play for most of them right now, even leading for some. But it’s a long way from NSD 2013, so I don’t know if you want to cool on the best WR in the state hoping to get a couple studs in 2013.
Great Review
You really summarized the rollercoaster season well, great read.
Obviously I feel like the WRs were better primarily because of increased talent level and competition. It’s hard to play Billy Badass if you’re don’t have a competent replacement to take their reps. One WR from last year stepped up, Brown, and two did not and fell by the wayside, McNeal and Jones.
Of course, the biggest difference was that we had no deep threat or big play maker at WR in 2010 and Watkins filling that need was just huge in order for Morris to implement his scheme. It’s nice when you can plug in a taller Jacoby Ford with better hands, instincts, and route running.
What do you guys think are the chances Freeman goes pro? He didn’t seem to quite deliver on the preseason hype to me.
Excellent Analysis
I give Dabo credit for the progress he’s made this year. However, the inconsistent play is still my main concern, and until this changes, he will still be linked to Bowden. Most teams have one or two bad games, but a four game skid is not acceptable.
The other concern is the defense. I’m not sure what direction they are headed, although I still think Steele is a decent coach. We can’t seem to handle any type of option or running QB, and they often look like a slow read and react bunch. The play of the LBs and Safetys was very disappointing, and its frustrating to not see more young talent playing.
I agree we need more consistency, but I think Dabo exorcised Bowden's demons
Winning the division in his first year – something Tommy never did – was a good way to shake some cobwebs, but IMO going to a BCS bowl and winning the ACC, something Tommy certainly never did, got me out of the mindset that he’s Tommy 2.0. I whole-heartedly agree though that we need to have more consistency, but I think given the newness everywhere (QB, OC, WR, DB) this year had a lot to do with that. It’s really remarkable in retrospect that we were able to go to win the ACC with a new starting QB, new OC and our best playmaker being a true freshmen. We have to get more out of our LBs and DBs next year; hopefully returning every starter (I"m counting Breeland as a starter) will pay dividends there. IMO if we sign Jonathan Bullard we will have the bedrock for some big things ahead. Our future DL could have excellent depth and very talented ends in Bullard and Crawford.
by judge jeff davis on Dec 11, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Bowden did not recruit DTs
Dabo is building a team that can compete with Big12, Big10, and teams like LSU and Alabama, we are recruiting size and speed, Bowden mainly recruited speed, to compete with FSU.
Pretty sure Jarvis Jenkins and Brandon Thompson
were both Bowden recruits. One is in the NFL and the other will be drafted this year.
by PenthouseTiger on Dec 11, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Bowden did not recruit enough DTs
Jenkins and Thompson were DT but their backups Cumbie, Chavis, Rennie Moore were all DEs and one of our backup DTs this year came in as a FullBack I think. turning a DE into a DT is possible but it takes 3 or 4 years and may not work out. I think recruiting a couple of DTs every year not 2 or 3 every 4 years is the way to build a DL that can hold up playing with B10, B12 or SEC OLs without being blown off the ball as we have been much of the past decade.
Ideally you recruit DEs and move them inside
To the 3. NGs you recruit separately. This gets more speed on the field, which is ideal.
You do the same at OT
by DrB on Dec 12, 2011 12:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is that what we did for Moore?
and if so I heard thta he was undersized for his position is that simply due to him not putting on weight, another mark against SC or simply that his frame wasn’t fit for a DT?
Yes Moore was a DE we knew would grow to DT size
He’s not a prototype DE, more of a 1-gap 3-4 4i-technique DE or 4-3 3-technique DT.
Same for Cumbie, same for Chavis
So it's the same with Martin Aiken?
HE’s a DE that will put on weight and become a DT at the 3 while Carlos Watkins is a legit NG right? Meanwhile Should Bullard come he would spell Goodman as the SDE and Lawson would be behind Crawford as the Bandit end. Is that about right?
Aiken and Lawson could both fit at Bandit in their first year.
One of them likely grows more and moves in.
better yet recruit a 4* DT and turn him into an All American DT
in 2008 we signed to DLs in a class of 25, Both are wer great, DaQaun Bowers and Brandon Thompson, but not enough of them. 4 OL in that 2008 class.
In 2012 we have 20 commits 5 DLs: 3DTs, 2 DEs and pushing for one more if Bullard commits. We have 5 commits on the OL and pushing for one more I think.
My point is that Dabo is pushing to compete on the line of scrimmage and TB recruited differently. We have been undermanned in numbers and size on the OL and DL and LBs for a long time. I cannot remember the last time we had a real 2 deep on the OL or at LB, I think we did have a 2 deep on the DL Bowers 2nd year but that included Bowers and Thompson because both of them had to play as freshmen because of depth issues. Bowers would have played anyway but Thompson would have red shirted if he could have.
Not sure where you come off saying Bowden didnt recruit DT's
Clemson has had some pretty solid DT’s under Bowden. Mainly the ones we have now, BT, Rennie, Miguel Chavis, Jarvis Jenkins,, Dorrell Scott, etc
How do you feel about the other two
Shaq Lawson and Martin Akien? I heard good things from both. Aggressiveness form Aiken and overall ability from Lawson. Even if we miss Bulalrd, who is looking more and more like he’s coming, do these two have the skill to be dependable players?
I've heard Aiken will grow into...
a DT position. IMO, Lawson would be higher rated if he had not committed to us as early as he did. Should be a good one. Really need Bullard in this class, though…
by greenvandal on Dec 11, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Dabo is Tommy 2.0, but
inconsistency was a hallmark of the Boiwden era and we are still seeing it in year three of Dabo. I thiught he took a cheap shot at the fans in his post game remarks for not believeing. Can’t blame the fans for the last 20 years of let downs.
Agree that Dabo is taking a much better recruting approach by pushing the 85 limit and signing more linemen. I still think he made a mistake by undersinging by so much in 2010.
Completely agree
You definitely can’t blame our fans for not believing. Hell, after that NC State game I was ready to throw everyone out the door, blow it up and start over. I was even less forgiving after the SC game and thought for sure that VT was going to blow us away. I would not be nearly as optimistic if we had not won the ACC and were going to the BCS. This ‘bucket list’ type of accomplishment has softened me, haha. But honestly, it does give us a reason to believe now – how many times can you believe only to fall short?
by judge jeff davis on Dec 11, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
how many times can you believe only to fall short?
we did for twenty effing years…… I give “sweatshirt” credit , but I believe we still need better leadership. I love “The Chad” but without him we were pure luck this season . I still believe we need to recruit better OL and DL . Until we see a change at S&C , I don’t feel good about the future . If Dabo fires Batson , and hires someone who can actually teach these guys to push guys off the line , consistantly , we will win another NCAA Championship . The practice demeanor has too change also . That lies soley on Dabo .
The rest of the entire nation I believe is still shocked that our insurance salesman is our head coach , Hopefully he is smart enough to surround himself with the right people to win in the trenches , and not just trying to out “athelete” everyone .
If someone were too ask Nick Saban what he thought about Dabos’ success , if he were to answer the question honestly I bet he would say " no comment " .
Sorry for the ramble…….I still think we could do much better .
His post game remarks really bother me. Us fans, who help pay his salary shldnt have right to get upset when we stink it up vs SC or a mediocre NC St? He shld b glad we’re passionate
by TigerFan74 on Dec 12, 2011 8:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
He freaking pissed me off with his comments. We win the ACC and this is what he takes time to say. It all comes down to it being personal with him;his comments were childish, rude and inappropriate. He also hit a nerve by basically saying we should love everything about Dabo no matter what. I can assure you I have been a die-hard Clemson fan longer than he’s been alive so how the hell does he have the right to make that kind of comment because I’m pissed off with the train-wreck of a team we had for four games. I have earned the right to expect more, demand more and let HIM know when I think he has lost the team/doesn’t deserve to be the coach. I am ALL-IN all the time with CLEMSON. That does not mean I’m ALL-IN all the time for Dabo or any other coach. Holy crap Dabo… grow up.
In all honesty
I don’t think that that comment was directed at fans like you and me. We were HIGHLZY upset and angered at the performance aganst GT, Wake, NCST, and SC but we stil pulled for them becuase we love our team. I think he was talking abotu fair weather fans who came out and openly said that we wouldn’t win another game, and that we were horrible, and that every coach should be fired, and that there was NO chance that we win the ACCCG, and that we were the “same old Clemson”. Big difference between fans that are justifiably upset and those that competely gave up on our team.
Undersigning in 2009 is paying off now.
That was a pretty good class but losing JKJay was a big blow. It is paying off in Scholarships available last year and this year. I cannot see complaining about this staffs recruiting.
I would have to say I think the punt return team is a Fail to me.
We couldn’t get any pressure on the punter who was then able to just howitzer punts up into the stratosphere and leave Nuke just trying to grab onto the ball for dear life before the avalanche of defenders arrived. Several of those fielded punts were THAT close to being turnovers. We’re fortunate that Nuke is very ball-conscious.
We never really seem to want to go for the block
most times it looks like we are blocking and just ensuring that we get the ball. I agree that giving the kicker that much time, especially a smart kicker, lets them put it so high that we have to choice but to fair catch it.
Not to beat a dead horse too badly,
but special teams is usually where you see back-ups playing. Considering our large number of freshmen, this is where most saw the field. Given their experience this year, we should expect to see improvement next year….
I want Clemson to pound clearly inferior teams, almost always beat less-talented teams, win more-often-than-not (or at least be competitive) against comparably-talented teams, and occasionally upset more-talented teams.
But Clemson still:
- Struggles against clearly inferior teams (like Wofford, and arguably UMD & Wake).
- Loses too many WTF games to teams that are less-talented (like GT, NCSU).
- Loses more than half of its games to (or was not competetive with) teams that are comparably-talented. (Actually, this year this was a bright spot in that Clemson beat Auburn, FSU, & UNC, but Clemson got POUNDED by an SCar team that is arguably comparable or inferior.).
- Almost never upsets any team that is more-talented. (Miami 2008?)
Razz . .. I don't this year is like most and here's whey.
1. Wofford: New Offense, Young Defense . . . I chalk that up to us learning to play in a real game situation.
2. GT, NCSU: PJ may own KS, but we made 3 or 4 stops . . . that should have been more than enough for us to win, but GT played their best D of the season against us. NCST, this is a true WTF – but we did have a 3rd stringer protecting our blind side. This give me pause for next season as this shows what Boyd is like with little time to pass.
3. SC is a good team this year, but we certainly didn’t play well at all. This falls on Dabo.
4. We haven’t played a team more talented than us this year . . . better coached, yes, but this team would be hard pressed to find one with more talent.
My point is. I think this year was different and showed growth in the right direction, but unfortunately, I have little hope for next year to be a repeat because our lines sucked this year . . . and will probably get worse. Bad lines make Boyd look lost and he is an emotional player.
Here’s to hoping for our new linemen to have a miraculous growth in strength this off season!
I lked what I saw form the reserves in the ACCCG
It may have jsut been thta VA tech had given up at that point but the reserves were playing with passion and fire and that’s something that Price has had all year. Price, a walk on, is one of our best O-line man simply because he has the fire and “want to”. TO be honest can we really do worse than McClain?
isn't VT line small?
Just something I thought we out-weighed them by a lot and therefore man handled them, twice.
I honestly think we can do much worse than McClain, but shouldn’t.
And believe me, I’m not looking ahead. I am enjoying every second of saying we’re the ACC Champs.
Small?
I know for a fact that on of the DTs is freaking huge! I don’t think they were small, jus tthink thta at that point in the game they were giving up really. Regardless I lked the intensity that they had and the rookiees ocming in all have very good thigns going for them. It might take a year or two but I think the OL might soon trully be a strength for us and when that happens our O may well be unbeatable.
Outweighed most opponents up front this year
And didnt dominate up front
by DrB on Dec 12, 2011 12:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
1.) I am not certain our OL play will be much worse next year. We had experience up front, but this was everyone’s first year in the program, so IMO that negated some of that experience. Like you said, McClain sucked, David Smith didn’t impress much, Mason Cloy is tough and gutsy but he didn’t play a whole lot, and Landon Walker is steady but unspectacular. I think having new starters mixed in with Thomas and Freeman that are in their 2nd year with Morris/Caldwell might be ok. After all, arguably our best lineman this year was a 1st year starter (Price).
2.) I know it’s easy to look ahead to next year, but I’m telling you – enjoy this. I know the ACC isn’t the NFC, but I feel that it is huge that we won the ACC and got over the 10-win hump. Don’t overlook that. It could be 20 more years before the next conference title. God knows it shouldn’t be, but we should have won at least 2-3 ACC titles in the past 10 years and never did.
by judge jeff davis on Dec 12, 2011 8:47 AM EST reply actions
I agree with eachpoint
The only thing that bothers me is the manner in which we lost certain games. I honestly wanted us to beat GT, but didn’t expect a W. NC State was just disgusting. But hey it keeps O’brien another year so we can continue to pillage that state in recruiting. Carolina is never acceptable losing so that is that.
But feels great to be heading into the BCS.. Hopefully we continue trending upward!
"Just because you've had 2 or 3 good games doesn't mean anything right now. It's not the first 3 games you're going to be remembered by." - The Chad
by scgreatest803 on Dec 12, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Freeman was our best O-lineman
Just my opinion. Price definitely had the most heart…. we will miss him.
Even teams that go 14-0 have things to improve on.
With that said I am very pleased with the direction of the program, and believe we are making tremendous strides at becoming a consistant contender for ACCC and NCs. If I would have said 10-3 with an ACCC and an orange bowl before the season anyone would have taken it. If you are saying you can’t blame fans for feeling some way because of the past 20 years then you can’t blame Dabo for the past 20 years either. Live in the present. Losers live in the past.
DB's
I think the secondary played better than you give them credit for… Did they take bad angles, yes. Did they miss a lot of tackles, yes.
But they also created a good bit of turnovers this year, Some in CRITICAL times (Coty vs Auburn, Breeland vs Maryland). Not to mention the emergence of Jenkins as a reliable option. I tend to think that a lot of our problems in the secondary were a direct result of poor LB play against the run. They didn’t play great by any stretch, but all things considered they had a solid year IMO.
"Just because you've had 2 or 3 good games doesn't mean anything right now. It's not the first 3 games you're going to be remembered by." - The Chad
And it will only get better
We lost so much talent last year that we have been playing underclassmen in most of those positions. Meeks and Hall are uper class man and Hall’s injury slowed him down a lot. Meeks isn’t a very good safety in terms of pass responsibilities, a better run support player. Coty played out of his mind and might possibly push to play at the next level. Other than him the others are young. And with a fresh crop coming in next year I see our secondary only becoming better.
Losing Coty is gonna hurt
Didn’t think I’d be saying that at the beginning of the year.
I wonder if they’ll move Brewer back outside or give D Robinson another chance. Next year’s depth chart will be interesting.
Blanks is supposed ot be the real deal
he could move in and take Coty’s spot if he outshines Robinson. Robinson, I’m said to say, seems o have been burnt a lot during the year, which is expected form young corners form time to time. However, Jenkins and Breeland have shown themsleves to be vry very good CBs and with Blanks coming in he might take that spot. I’m not sure about Brewer as a safety. With Cortez davis coming off a red shirt along with the DB heavy class coming, I might move him back to the CB position, where he looks the most comfortable. Like you said, it wil be interesting next year.
Blanks projects better at safety, but he wants to play corner
Jenkins is a very good nickel back, and I’d leave him there. You don’t want him on the outside with his lack of height. Not sure if you want Brewer out there either for the same reason.
Coty isn't that tall either though
around 6’0 maybe 6’1 on his tip toes. Breeland has been taking over the outside right? If so I’d leave him out there. Breeland has earned a starting spot.
6'0 is fine for a corner
5’8 and 5’9 makes it tough to play outside unless you have really long arms, extreme athleticism, or both. Brewer and Jenkins are both in the 5’8 range and neither has extremely long arms or unreal athleticism. That’s why I think they need to play inside.
Breeland will definitely start next year.
IF that's the case
then wouldn’t the ideal thing to do be to have Blanks take the outside spot? I heard he’s a solid 6’1" and has the ball skills to be a big impact immediatly. With Hall and Meeks coming back, I find it hard to see him pushing either for a spot at FS or SS. Wouldn’t be be the safer bet to take the outside position?
Has very good ball skills
and some think that’s part of the reason he projects better as a FS. Some are also questioning his ability to flip his hips as a corner as well.
I think he can play either position, but I’ve read a scouting report that said as a FS he is a high 4* bordering on 5* talent. As a CB he is a middle of the road 4*. I hope this person is wrong, as I’d rather him make it as a shutdown corner. Just reporting what I’ve read.
Well he's coming in a few weeks for earlier enrollment
I’m sure we’ll have a better idea about him soon enough. I’m just glad he’s here.
Think their play is symptom of overcomplex scheme
In large part
by DrB on Dec 12, 2011 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This
Though I do think we saw some improvement as the year went on. My hope is that Steele gets more aggressive in his play calls next year, gets guys pumped and playing rather than thinking. Haven’t done analysis on play calls but my impression is that he blitzed more in teh championship game compared to the rest of the year. Seems he also did this in 09 but dialed it back last year because we could just dominate up front and with that offense couldn’t give up quick scores. Without data I could be wrong but feels like this was the case.
I agree with what you saw
I too thought that he opened up the book and really blitzed the heck out of VT. He knew that their WRs weren’t fast enough to get seperation from our DBs so he coudl take the chance and with our D-Line owning house, Thomas was put on his butt more times than not. I loved the way he called it, seemed to be the first time in a few months that we actually , attacked the offense rather and react to the offense.
No, not really more or less blitzing
but the blitzes he sent were different. He blitzed the Safeties more.
Considering that we're losing our entire pass rush with Branch
Moore, and Thomspon leaving, can we expect more of the same next year, maybe even more so since Goodman seems mre like a DT that plays DE. He’s just not very fast, and that’s where Branch as a speed rusher seems to excel. I remember you stating that we would have to blitz a lot more this year because of our lack of a true pass rush, will we have to do it even moreso next year?
it makes no sense to me that we will have such a strong lb rotation and not run at least a base 3-4 package to confuse offenses.
townsend , steward , anthony , hawkins , christian , willard all will have quality snaps with goodson coming in and walls , shuey for run defense of simply playing in the middle seems like the combinations could be endless.
Problem is
We don’t have a strong LB rotation for a 3-4 defense. the OLB in the 3-4 need to have some beef, be good at shedding OL blocks and good at getting to the passer. I don’t see any of our guys particularly well sutied for this, maybe Anthony if he put on another 20 – 30 pounds. Also IMO Hawkins and Christian should only be servicable backups for any top tier D.
What about BJ Goodson?
heard thta he was a pretty big LB and could have challenegd for PT at MLB this year if not for the RS.
Having seen him in person
He’s gotten a lot bigger
by PenthouseTiger on Dec 12, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
This must be the case.
I feel like I remember him having a quicker step a couple years ago.

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