What is the Root Problem with Clemson?
There has been so much complaining on the boards, comments, and in articles around Tiger Nation that I think we need to refocus the anger at the right places to get the desired changes made to fix the various problems that we have. Its obvious to me that things are not going to right themselves this year and that Logan Thomas must play to the level he did weeks ago or Clemson is not going to win this weekend and will likely be blown out. Unless we get a truly physically inferior opponent in a whatever crappy bowl game we attend, we will lose there as well. Such is possible if we end up with a team like Louisville in the Orange, but if we face the kind of team we all wanted to play weeks ago, like an Arkansas or Oregon, we would be utterly destroyed. The question everyone asks himself is "Why?".
Why does this type of thing keep happening? A lot of folks blame the coaching staff, and they do get the blame no matter what I say. Some folks don’t realize the administration in Clemson running the AD or doing the hiring/firing is ultimately responsible no matter what. Even fewer recognize the fact that we simply can out-athlete many teams on our schedule, regardless of what scheme we run at them, despite having a terrible Strength & Conditioning program, and just-as-terrible fundamentals.
Unfortunately the latter two are the reasons why we are losing games now, and are problems that we have had here for over a decade that have not been addressed.
It is not that Chad Morris’ offense has been "figured out". This offense puts a premium on taking a small number of core plays and learning to execute them perfectly by repping them in practice non-stop. The Air Raid offense is the same principle. The Oregon offense is the same principle as well. There is nothing wrong with the scheme itself. There are issues with the playcalling in situations that I have had, but I believe these have been strongly influenced by issues ultimately related to S&C and fundamentals. It is our opponents who have learned a strategy that has seemed to work, and they won’t change it until you can beat it. Zone coverage, zone blitzes, and dropping 7-8 into coverage is not a magic recipe to stop this system. FSU did these things and we carved them up. It just happens to be what is working now and our guys have not defeated it.
In contrast, the Spence philosophy was the exact opposite, in that it tries to confuse a defense with so many formations and plays that there is no way they could possibly stop them all. Unfortunately it did not stand a chance of working here because we had no fundamentals and the mass of plays in the system wasn’t reduced to a level that could be taught, irrespective of any S&C program faults.
I don’t self-scout Clemson during the film reviews with the intention to count the number of Power plays or Zone plays in a game or a situation. That would require even more time from me and is something I have done for myself in the offseason that never gets posted. Counting the number of specific pass plays requires end-zone film that I don’t have access to any longer, but I have charted where Clemson attacks (short, middle, deep, left side, right side, etc.) before. However, I do get a feel for the playcalling and notice when plays are run too much or not enough. Some times there are good reasons because of what the opponents do by alignment or strategy, but in these last few games I don’t think its been as much due to the opposing defense as our own offensive line. Here are a few of the things I’ve noticed on offense:
Morris has gone to forcing Boyd to keep the ball to make him a running threat. The read option plays that look like zone reads are in fact not being read for the most part, and are called plays from the sideline. The DE is usually being blocked by the TE, as opposed to being unblocked totally in a zone read or inverted veer. In principle this is a good idea to make your QB a threat, because you want the defense to play you honest on the IZ staple of this system. Tajh is not going to be a great runner, but being merely effective is possible, if your OL can move people.
Because of the Guard play, many other plays seem to have fallen to the wayside. Power O was run heavily earlier, and rarely gets called now. Counters (and Counter H) get called more. The play I call IV Jet sweep, since it uses the IV blocking scheme (except that TE blocks the DE, so its not really an option), which is what Sammy used primarily as his run play, is nonexistent lately. It disappeared before the shoulder injury. The Trap is nonexistent. We can’t run the ZR because defenses don’t respect Boyd. Currently, my feeling is that the IZ is our primary inside play and that we throw a bucksweep in for good measure. Our interior OL is not going to move people inside and the Guards don’t block half the time on the buck, so our run game sucks. I can’t really fault Chad Morris for not calling plays that he believes they can’t execute worth a damn, but I think he has cut it to the bone and didn’t need to.
Because of that, defenses can now easily take chances by dropping 8 into coverage and confusing Boyd with more looks. Why would they ever stack the box when the offense cant run the ball? Now they can bracket Watkins and Hopkins, and with others not getting themselves open, Boyd has to force balls into coverage or throw it away, if he has time to do even that. His IQ taking intermittent dips into the negative range doesn’t help, but he’d get into more rhythm and get better matchups outside if the offense could run the football.
As for why he still can’t throw a bubble screen above the ankles or a pass to Allen that isn’t 10 feet high, that is on his footwork fundamentals, and it is not getting fixed this year. His inability to properly read coverages is an indication of inexperience and overconfidence in his arm more than anything. Only film room dedication can fix the former, and correct prodding by Morris the latter. Once he hits a few passes and gets into a rhythm he is OK, if he has time to throw the ball. Morris has taken it upon himself to force that as well by calling more short passes and bubble screens, and I think Boyd wants to make a big play so badly that he is now pressing.
Other issues are coming back to a mixture of S&C and fundamentals. You have to have strength to fight your way through double-teams at WR. You have to hit harder than the other guy and get open. Route running is a fundamental thing, and we have improved there with the talent infusion, but its still not good enough for the younger guys. DeAndre Hopkins needs about 20lbs of pure muscle, and Batson isn’t going to get that on him. Bryant needs that as well, and eventually you would want to see Sammy put on good muscle and get faster and stronger as he finishes growing. Batson isn’t going to get that done here. In fact, I predict that with Batson’s training methods, Watkin’s shoulder issue will linger on much longer.
Our defense has a glaring and complete lack of fundamentals. The scheme Steele uses is just fine. He knows how to scheme to stop a zone read. We get beat by it because our fundamentals suck. If your LBs can’t fight off a block, much less evade one, then you have no hope of beating a running team. If you take pisspoor angles and then follow it up with no-arm hits that cause your DBs to bounce off the RB, or LBs that can’t wrap up at all, then you have no hope of stopping the run. Some of it is due to strength but most is due to poor technique and paralysis by analysis. I guarantee Steele told his defense SC was going to run Shaw all damn night. Technique is on coaching, but tackling and fighting blocks requires contact, and no-contact practices generates lazy fundamentals. Practice philosophy like that is the HC’s issue, not Steele. Steele knows how to fix tackling, and I don’t think he has been allowed to do it the way he wants.
The DL play is worsening due to tiredness and that is due to a lack of depth, but they weren't gap-sound against Troy or Wofford either. If the opponents can move you off the ball at their pleasure week after week, despite any coaching, your S&C program sucks. If linemen put on FAT during a season, then the HC needs a foot in his ass along with the S&C coach. I will bet that several guys put on weight this season.
The DBs cannot jam receivers properly because they have no strength to their punches and their fundamental hand placement is just wrong. They lose leverage due to poor footwork fundamentals, but you can redirect a guy with a hard enough shot that our DBs can’t give. One is coaching, the other S&C.
Our offensive line play has been bad for a decade. There is no question on this issue. The "oil change" we were promised is not working up front, and no offense goes further than the OL can take it. They do not fire off the ball explosively. They do not generate push against DLs they outweigh by 40lbs per man. They haven’t moved their feet to stop the pass rush and their initial punches have no effect. Several put forth zero effort altogether, yet still play 100% of the snaps. There is athletic talent, but no fire. We’ve had Ron West, Brad Scott, and now Robbie Caldwell coaching and the OL was either bad or average with the exception of the 2006 season (until we were exposed for no depth). This is a problem indicative of things beyond field coaching. I know Caldwell took garbage and developed a very good OL at Vanderbilt, so its not like he forgot how to coach.
Joey Batson’s program is the S&C problem. SC went out and hired Craig Fitzgerald 3 years ago, and they have physically whipped us up front all 3 years. That is no coincidence. Fitzgerald is a Dwight Galt student, who himself is a Gayle Hatch disciple. Galt whipped us, with less talent, at Maryland and Wake Forest in this decade. LSU has had Tommy Moffitt for a decade and his program turned the whole defensive line into beasts year after year. I would say Moffitt is the true source of Les Miles' ability to not take a dip when Saban left. Moffitt is a Gayle Hatch disciple. Saban begged him to come to Alabama, Moffitt said no, and hired his protégé Scott Cochran. Dooley begged Moffitt to come back to Tennessee and he said no way. Southern Cal has played as many freshmen as Clemson, and where are they now? They made Lane Kiffin look like a great coach this year. Their S&C coach Chris Carlisle is a Hatch disciple. Urban Meyer has gone on record as saying the two most important hires a new HC makes are his S&C Coach and OL coach. We have a common denominator here in this decade of softness and that is Joey Batson. He cannot survive here beyond this season.
We don’t put good weight on players that need to gain it, like Ricky Sapp. Will we put it on Hopkins or Bryant? I say no. We can’t get guys who are overweight to lose it. We only let our Linemen GAIN FAT during a season. We don’t blow Wofford, Troy, Coastal Carolina, Furman, or teams with 260-270lb fronts off the LOS. We have injuries that never heal here. All these things point to the whole S&C program.
Whether this defensive staff survives is not a question I can answer. One would think that with this being the worst defense fielded by Clemson in nearly 30 years that a head must roll. The fundamental instruction is a coaching issue. The amount of material given to digest is a coaching issue. You can give a defense more complex schemes if their fundamentals are strong, and going vanilla is usually a recipe for disaster. If you give a complex scheme to one that has none, you get the 2011 Clemson defense that has made a star out of 3rd string RBs and QBs who can’t really throw against good teams. If Steele isn’t allowed to teach the way he wants, it’s a HC issue. If he is being allowed to do what he wants, then he should be fired. We knew the defense would take a big step back this year, but where they are is completely unacceptable.
So the problem comes back to practice philosophies, the lack of dedication to fundamentals, and a poor S&C program. You can catch fire and play well, like we did in 2000, 2003, the first part of 2006, or this season, but you’re doomed to have repeat performances like the 2nd part of 2006, 2nd part of 2000, and this season until this problem is fixed.
All can be fixed by Swinney if he chooses to move the right people out, or when we move him out.
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Have you heard rumors that he is done after this year because Morris doesn’t like him?
I REALLY hope you're right on that, Batson needs to go, and should have been gone when
Bowden was fired. Bowden’s teams were called soft and it was because of Batson, no doubt.
I agree 100% with every word you wrote above. One thing I’ve noticed is Morris abandons the run too quickly. Our OLine was actually doing some things in the running game saturday night and AE was playing with emotion and heart and Morris simply wouldnt give him the ball enough. I think the entire offense has fallen in love with those 60 yard TD’s that they were getting so early in the year. USuC’s defensive line is good but their one weakness is that they’re overly aggressive trying to get to the QB on every play and we failed to punish them for that. We ran no traps, draws or RB screens to tire them out. We also failed to learn from the Arkansas/USC film footage. Arkansas moved the pocket constantly, they called rollouts and bootlegs and they passed all over USC’s secondary. We left Tajh back there in one position all night, just a sitting duck with a bulls eye on his back. And USC took advantage of that.
Should be. Hopefully dabo gets his head out of his butt and fires steele and batson
I’d really like to see jeff scott gone too. But he seems to be a good recruiting coordinator, just a terrible WR coach. He’s young and energetic and the recruits seem to love him.
I hope those rumors are true
Your point about never putting good weight on players who need it and fat on those who need to lose it couldn’t be more true. Sapp is a great example but I would also point to just about every linebacker we have had in recent memory. The only guys I can remember putting on good weight were CJ and Ellington and I don’t think Batson had anything to do with that.
I agree that Steele has a great defensive mind but I do feel that we may be better off with a change there as well. We can recruit at a level where we don’t need the best schematic coach(and I do think Steele is up there in this department, he also generally makes all the right adjustments at halftime). We need a piss n vinegar kind of coach who just doesn’t put them in terrible position. I don’t think Dabo is a guy the defensive players will ever truly fear/respect, so we need a defensive leader who is and I don’t think Steele is that kind of guy.
run more to open up the pass
I could be wrong, but seems to me Ellington was getting more touches at the beginning of the season forcing defenses to defend it more, Ellington was more of the focal point of the offense. Being in shootouts had the offense passing more and running less and the offense has be come pass happy. As for the defense has manly been out of position giving up big plays manly on third down and is probably something that can’t be fixed to the off season……Good Luck to my tigers the rest of the season hope they can make it special
by kels843 on Nov 28, 2011 8:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No not really
Andre’s carries have gone up and down all year. They were really low for UNC but that was the game he was injured in, and for NC State we had to give up on the run after the half. There is no general downwards trend.
If you think the defense’s problem is just being out of position and 3rd downs, you have not been watching them play.
My 2 cents (as if I haven't been posting a ton already)
I don’t think this staff can get it done, period. Dabo is part-time cheerleader, part-time preacher, part-time HC. His inexperience shows in spades when he goes against experienced HCs (Spurrier, Friedgen (when he was at Maryland), Paul Johnson, Mike Ayers, etc.). He is too in love with the ‘explosive play’ as ESPN calls it and is a salesman. Steele knows his stuff but either is lacking as a teacher or isn’t allowed to do what he wants to get his point across. Morris has a great attitude but I still think Clemson is only going to be good when we find an OC that wants to line it up with a big ass FB, a grinding TB, and a good play action pass game (think Stanford east). We have tried to get the big play-making, high powered offense at Clemson ever since Tommy West was here, and it just simply hasn’t worked.
Secondly, Batson has got to go. Our OL have looked disgusting for years now, physically. I was in Memphis last New Year’s Eve and many of the UCF linemen were out after their bowl win over UGA, and those guys looked completely different than our guys do. If anyone was at the VT game in 2007 when they blew our doors off in Death Valley there was a distinct difference in their players’ bodies and ours.
Lastly, we have got to get a real SOB to coach at Clemson again. Practices should be hell, offseason should be hell, and gameday should be heaven. We’ve become the ‘nice guys’ of college football and that pussification was deeply engrained by Rev. Bowden. I have no problems with someone being religious (I consider myself to be) but it shouldn’t be used to reflect questions about a football coach’s job security/coaching ability.
by judge jeff davis on Nov 28, 2011 9:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree that Dabo will never get it done here.
We may back into an ACC Championship at some point with him here and frankly we may start winning against Carolina soon just because I’m still not completely convinced they have such a great program. But we will never truly play championship caliber football with Dabo at the helm, I think everyone who really pays attention knows that, but no Clemson coach is ever going to get fired for winning 9+ games, so he’s here for at least two more years.
Dr.B already quoted Urban Meyer once, so I will as well. He was asked during a broadcast how he kept his Florida teams in 06 and 08 motivated when it got to the middle of the season, they were very highly ranked, and the national championship talk was buzzing around the team. He simply said that you have to make the activity of being on the football team day-in, day-out so difficult that the players literally cannot focus on anything else. You make it hard, you don’t let them believe their own hype, and you don’t let them focus on anything other than how hard they have to work to maintain a high level of play. There is absolutely no way that this goes on under Dabo’s watch.
I will say this about your post though man, it is utter bullshit that Clemson needs to go back and play a power running game in order to be successful. That type of attitude among the fan base is just counter-productive. Yes, you do need a football team that is absolutely tough as nails to win championships, but you can do that in ways other than playing power football.
We don’t need a spread guru, an old Power-I traditionalist, or a pro football west coast mind. We need a coach who is committed to stressing fundamentals until they are perfect, creating tough ballclubs, and demanding excellence from every single aspect of the program, no matter how minor that aspect might be. Period. And we certainly don’t have that now.
More than anything else, to me...
We just need to be able to control the LOS. I prefer a strong running game, and I do think you have to be able to run to win, but until we can get a bad ass OL and DL that is deep, talented and fundamentally sound we’re never really going to get over the hump. I don’t think we can ever rely on ‘out-athleting’ everyone; that hasn’t worked. My personal preference is a power running game, pro-style offense, but we just have to have a reliable OL. Who was our last All-American on the OL? I can’t think of anyone honestly.
by judge jeff davis on Nov 28, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree
I probably came across as a little too harsh, everyone has their preferences but football games are won up front, period. And we don’t do that.
Clemson fired Bowden after going 9-4. He might have won 9 games the year he got fired.
But I don’t see TDP ever firing Dabo for winning 9. Ever.
One of your best write ups in a while, really
Well reasoned and clear without so much bitching. (Not that bitching is uncalled for with the crap we’ve been seeing.) I guess a cooling off period was in order.
I think Swinney did a pretty good job of evaluating some things and making changes last off season. Hopefully he will this year as well. Although some things may seem glaringly obvious, you have to keep in mind that he can’t be changing everything up constantly or there is absolutely no stability anywhere. He swapped in a new well regarded OL coach and there has been no net benefit at all.
I am no expert on S&C, but it has been clear for a LONG LONG TIME that we have a problem with our OL. They just very seldom move people out of the way. Sometimes, yes, but not as often as they should. When we play clearly inferior teams like Wofford or Furman, our line should be blowing these guys off and opening huge holes.
I watch a lot of football, and I see other teams OLs open huge gaps where the RB can literally pick which way he wants to run. Usually our RBs have to try and slide a through a gap the size of a stringbean, or else they just run into an OLs ass and fall down because there is no hole. God how many times did Davis and Spiller run into a guys ass and fall down because no hole was there or anywhere.
I also see their DL get off blocks and get pressure, which is generally sorely absent here. If we get pressure, it seems usually to be more from a speed move than power. Seriously, Wake Forest is moving our DL out of the way?
I have to believe that the coaching staff sees these things too. They see our team unable to move anyone. Why is that? This is an upperclass OL with quality recruits. Why can’t they move smaller guys enough to gain short yardage?
Honestly, I think you should write a clear, non-threatening, well reasoned letter to Swinney. If it’s all full of cursing and criticism it will never get to him, but one that makes sense and addresses things he knows are a problem might.
You really think that? Why so?
That would be great if true because this is one of those he needs to read.
Chris Ard
c’mon man.
Munson brings those long negative posts from the message boards, other beat writers, and site owners on printed paper and sets them on Dabo’s desk. I know for a fact that Dabo has called them and screamed at them for writing anything negative.
I think this is the most disturbing part of the entire post
the fact that he takes time to chastise a journalist for doing their job (as long their articles are objective) shows his immature and selfish ego. Besides Ard’s posts usually only state what his, 200, readers already know. I cant imagine that Paul Johnson gives a damn about jacketsonline.com. Maybe dabo should spend his time reading more productive material like Sun Tzu’s “Art of War” or “The College Football Bible”, chapters 14-16.
Do other schools have a “don munson”?
I heard that Dabo reads these posts
and that might be a reason why Caldwell is here and why he focused on recruiting so many LBs last season. If he does in fact read these then hopefully he does what’s right for the program and get a new S&C coach and tell Steele to simplify the D.
Dabo reads this stuff???
I guess I wouldn’t be surprised. But if he is going to scream at beat writers and website admins. for negativity and people calling it as they see it, then he seriously has some insecurity issues. Good article Dr.B, you hit the nail on the head with S&C. Our previous S&C coach was Gary Wade, interesting profile – http://www.clemsontigers.com/genrel/wade_gary00.html. Looks like he was quite successful.
by Johnstone on Nov 30, 2011 2:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dr. B fundamentals
I’m by no stretch of the word a football player, I actually think one of the most embarrassing moments of my dads life was the last time I played football on a team. I never learned the fundamentals of the game, but for some reason I always assumed that a D-1 football player shouldn’t need to be taught fundamentals at this level. I feel like some tweaking of fundamentals might be necessary, but overall the recruits should understand the fundamentals. Is that not an accurate assumption? If it is a safe assumption then does the lack of fundamentals mean we are just recruiting poorly? I hope that makes sense (for the record it turns out golf was a better option for me growing up).
In college you work on fundamentals til you get it right
in the NFL you work til you never get them wrong.
Players don’t master fundamentals in peewee or HS ball. Much of the time, they are being exposed to the first real technical coaching they ever get when they get to HS.
Players know how to tackle when they get to college, but they still need to be practiced
on a consistent basis or else they get sloppy. And thats what you’re seeing now. Players go all week with very little contact, then in the game they’re lazy and sloppy.
Its like with baseball, A-rod and Jeter know how to catch the ball, but yet they take infield practice every single day.
In college you only get 20 hrs per week to practice, thats everything, meetings, field practice, etc. Some coaches take shortcuts and try to work more on practicing plays rather than on fundamentals. But you cant build a house on a poor foundation. They can practice all the plays they want, but if they dont work on blocking and tackling, its useless.
What a great post, Dr. B.
Also, after reading Dr. B’s post, I think this article sheds some light and is worth reading if you haven’t already. Kevin Steele, from September 13th.
Thanks. Wonder where I had read that. Great read.
Johnny Majors played for General Neyland. When Steele coached DB’s at his alma mater his DC was Ken Donahue, another former player of Neyland’s, who served for 20 seasons as DC for Bear Bryant. Steele also worked under Charlie McBride, Dom Capers, Mickey Andrews, Nick Saban, none of whom taught that defensive players should be handed a ukelele and sing, “Tiptoe through the tulips!” Steele taught Roland McClain and Donta Hightower.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
"Gentlemen, touchdowns follow blocking as sure as night follows day." - General Robert Neyland
General Robert Neyland's 7 Maxims of Football
1. The team that makes the fewest mistakes will win.
2. Play for and make the breaks and when one comes your way - SCORE.
3. If at first the game - or the breaks - go against you, don't let up... put on more steam.
4. Protect our kickers, our QB, our lead and our ball game.
5. Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
6. Press the kicking game. Here is where the breaks are made.
7. Carry the fight to our opponent and keep it there for 60 minutes.
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Nov 29, 2011 4:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, its pathetic that they were talking about "fixing" the tackling issue after Wofford
and here we are after the 12th game and they still cant tackle. Also, the line about he knew it was going to be an issue, yet did nothing to prevent it?? WTF??
I could eat nails Ive been so mad the last month. I can handle losing..
But I cant stomach the pathetic garbage we’ve seen during this time (and its the SAME crap every year here). The part that really pisses me off is that, like DrB mentioned, its stuff that can be corrected by the HC through simple decision making. I like Dabo (id like to blow a fuse in his face right now, but I like him)..but if we dont win Saturday, which I dont see as a realistic right now, then I want him gone. I aint hanging on for years to FOOLS GOLD like I did with Bowden. GIMME SOMETHING TO BREAK! DrB, I really appreciate yall’s time and wisdom you pour out here. It must be awesome to be able to watch a game with yall. Is there anything people outside the program (but are invested deep with money/heart n soul) can do about this crap???
Anybody else surprised the Ohio State didn't hire Tommy Bowden or Dabo instead of Urban Meyer?
I kid. I kid.
It’s a good thing that TDP gave Tommy Bowden a $4M buyout 6 months before firing Tommy. Bowden has been such high demand as a head coach over the last 4 years. it’s obvious that Tommy’s buyout was money well spent. I wonder if anybody will call Tommy this year.
Great analysis.
I come here almost as often as RBR. I remember watching Clemson beating Nebraska in the 1982 Orange Bowl and my father telling me that Danny Ford played for the Bear.
It seems to me that Swinney must be fired. After you lost to NC State, one commented at RBR he was glad Swinney would never become Alabama’s HC.
I like your defensive staff. Coach Cheese was at Bama under DuBose and Ellis Johnson and under Saban at LSU. Steele and Brooks have national championship rings. I’m sure no one ever accused Fulmer or Chavis of being soft.
The root of the problem is that you’ve lost your roots. I just wonder who would be good for you.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
"Gentlemen, touchdowns follow blocking as sure as night follows day." - General Robert Neyland
General Robert Neyland's 7 Maxims of Football
1. The team that makes the fewest mistakes will win.
2. Play for and make the breaks and when one comes your way - SCORE.
3. If at first the game - or the breaks - go against you, don't let up... put on more steam.
4. Protect our kickers, our QB, our lead and our ball game.
5. Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
6. Press the kicking game. Here is where the breaks are made.
7. Carry the fight to our opponent and keep it there for 60 minutes.
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Nov 29, 2011 5:04 AM EST reply actions
You have changed my mind....
On Steele. I still have faith in Morris and think one more year of having him in control of the offense will be great. If more physical practices are all we need for fundamentals why havent we done it yet? (i.e. what is Dabo’s philosophy on practice?)
Hey DrB, I gave this article a shoutout and link on the Scout Clemson board
It’s worth any extra attention that can be drawn to it.
I have been one of those who thought
Dabo could handle this job. I felt like his recruiting would be enough to take this team to the next level, and that he would get good guys like Steele and Morris to do their job.
But these articles have made me realize his.philosophy of practice and the S & C program has taken raw talent and created soft players.
A great example of the problem with our team is the fact that a walkon tight end- turned left tackle – can be missed so much in the rivalry game. If we had a team of players with the mindset of philip price, watch out…
by PapaCinco on Nov 29, 2011 9:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I believe if left up to Morris and Steele, they would probably practice the players harder
I know Morris would, he’s already stated that he wanted to make practice so hard, that gameday would be enjoyable to them. But the player leadership council went to dabo and asked for easier practices and Dabo obliged them. Dumbest move ever. If the team was already “tough” and “physical” then maybe you could reward them a little. But when you’re objective is to toughen them up, you dont practice them less or easier. That’s just stupid. Now Dabo is seeing the effects of those soft practices. If I was the coach, they’d spend the entire week hitting the tackling dummies, pushing the sleds, doing oklahoma drills. After 12 games they know the offense and defense schemes well enough. It’s time to toughen them up.
I keep seeing this mentioned...
…and based on the product on the field it wouldn’t surprise me but I was curious what proof there is to back up the claim that seniors asked for softer practices? Again, not saying it isn’t true but it sounds so disturbingly unbelievable… :(
by GrigglesTigers on Nov 30, 2011 1:19 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
There was an article in the Post & Courrier written by Sawchik where he had a quote
from dabo that said something to the effect that he meets with the leadership council on the team (group of veteran players who are supposed to be the vocal leaders of the team) and they asked for lighter practices to maintain freshness and energy throughout the year. Dabo said he instituted the policy. Really, that article is the only place I’ve even read that and it was only a very small paragraph in that article. I dont have the link to it, but it was written in the last two weeks, you can probably find it pretty easily.
But I think it must be true because Dabo was extremely sensitive in his
press conference yesterday talking about how Clemson practices the same way Alabama practices, no tackling. Well, Dabo, when the players start playing like Alabama, then they can practice like them. But they obviously dont know how to block or tackle well at all. So something needs to be modified with the practice routines. If it was a one game aberation, fine. But its a weekly constant. Things need to be done differently. That much is obvious.
Coach Ford made practices so hard that the games were easy come Saturday. You’ve got to hit, blocking and tackling are the two main components. If players get hurt in practice, then so be it, part of the game.
by Johnstone on Nov 30, 2011 3:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Awesome piece
I was wondering why your O has had such a dropoff in the last few games. I expect your O to be improved next season after Morris can open up his playbook more. And I have to think that this year’s D is an outlier due to lack of experienced talent, which will return to the mean of a Steele D next year.
p.s. I like your new tag line on the main page:
Shakin The Southland – Spanking FSU in Death Valley since 2003.But beating the inept Bowden teams from the lost decade and a FSU team missing 6 key starters, lead by a Freshman QB in 2011 (who put 30 on your D) ain’t that great, IMO. I’d be more proud of this:
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Championship!
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 29, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It sucks when you come over for a little schadenfreude and you see that right off the bat. :)
I think to most of us here, this is our “Lost Quarter Century.”
I come over here because I respect STS writers
and the Tigers, despite the poor choice of tag lines :)
Championship!
by TLHWG on Nov 29, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wish Dabo would stick the entire state of Alabama up his ass...
since he is so enamored with it. Is it a coincidence the two best efforts this team gave, last year and this year, were against Dabo’s real rivals, Auburn? Last week he mentioned the Iron Bowl more often than the Clemson/USC rivalry. Hey Dabo, the UAB job is open if you are interested in returning to your homeland.
My biggest hope is also my second biggest fear
We win the ACC title, and win the Orange Bowl; Dabo says “All is fine” puts in on youth and inexperience for the up and down season, Batson stays.
My biggest fear is that we lose out and all hell breaks loose within the program..but this comes close. We’ve got to get that guy outta here, we’ve been softer than soft. Enough is enough.
"Just because you've had 2 or 3 good games doesn't mean anything right now. It's not the first 3 games you're going to be remembered by." - The Chad
Great read -
Not as down on Steele after re-reading the O&W article again.
Is our lack of live action in practice on Dabo’s shoulders? Is it just a change in the times? NCAA restrictions?
I know the days of Ford riding guys into the ground are gone – but we should be willing to risk a few rolled ankles & bumps & bruises to toughen these guys up. Particularly through the spring practices.
Dabo's admitted that he doesn't practice the guys hard, but it's out of necessity
His explanation seems sound. He mentioned that when you have a bye week so late in the season and the fact that our depth is so poor (you have no depth if you play as many Freshman as we do), you aren’t afforded the luxury of practicing guys as hard as you would like. Our O-Line was never great, but you see how much worse they got when Price got hurt. You saw how terrible the backup guys are in the 4th Qtr vs UNC. He’s said that he’d like to practice the guys harder, but the program isn’t at a point yet when he can do that. When you are 2 and 3 deep at every position without much drop off, you can afford to have the guys hit and tackle more. That makes sense.
I agree about the S&C program. We’ll see a change in results within 2 years if we make the switch since we seem to already have higher caliber raw athletes than most programs.
I don't remember
Specifically seeing him say that but had thought that might be behind his reasoning. However that depth is never going to develop if we don’t let them experience live action in practice. Maybe he will actually start to step it up, my hope is that Price sticks around as a GA and helps mold some of these new linemen coming in. If all of our O-line had his mentality I’m not sure we lose a game this year despite the defenses problems.
Price is a "tough guy"
Need more like him, honestly he may not get drafted but I believe he will give it a shot at the NFL.. We could use him with and around Caldwell
"Just because you've had 2 or 3 good games doesn't mean anything right now. It's not the first 3 games you're going to be remembered by." - The Chad
by scgreatest803 on Nov 29, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I love his attitude
He’s just a tough, hard-working farmboy. Need a lot more guys like him. I remember that Clemson used to get a bunch of those tough selfless southern boys on their teams. Now it seems we’re filled with me-first prima donnas.
I don't understand why we have our bye so late and
it seems like all the SEC teams schedule a “cake” game towards the end of the season to take some pressure off i.e. USC vs. Citadel, etc. We pile all ours at the beginning of the season.
Really good read
Dr. B and FF have been calling for Batson to go as long as I have read this site. I’m tired of seeing a soft team on the field. It is ridiculous and if you are an HC and can’t see what is going on then you have to go.
For the defense (and I know some of the poor play falls on coaching and I buy that) our positioning is typically good. We have a weak middle LB who won’t fight off blocks, a DL with no depth, and a secondary that has growing pains. I truly feel they need to practice harder. It is crazy that they aren’t more physical. Va Tech has had a ton of injuries on defense this year, but they don’t complain and plug the next guy in. I guess what I am trying to say is this. Our scheme is sound, our secondary has gotten better in pass coverage (I promise you they have) and the defensive game plan is typically good enough to keep us in games. We have two safeties who can’t tackle, one because he is hurt and the other doesn’t use his arms, we had a middle starting LB who can see that he is going to get blocked and do nothing about it, a DT who could be a monster but gets winded, and one DE who won’t “make” a play to save his life. I’m not ready for the defensive staff to be gone yet…we need some quality depth and more physicallity. That is a practice and S/C problem.
One replay from Saturday just stuck with me. The camera angle was behind Shaw on a handoff to Miles up the gut. We could clearly see the hole open in the line and a linebacker (can’t remember who – but it’s typical of what I’ve seen from most of our guys this year) just stood there flat-footed and watching until a block came across and wiped him out. Dive for 6-8 yards.
Still baffling to me that our guys aren’t attacking the gaps – esp. if we can see it opening up on live t.v. The LB is supposed to be Steele’s area of exptertise.
Typical of Hawkins...
No aggression or really anything else positive, worst Clemson linebacker in recent memory and likely prompted Kirklands recent comments. Stephone Anthony generally is just hitting the wrong gaps, he looks dumb doing it but he is at least doing something aggressively. Right now Tig is the only solid guy we have there, the good lord just didn’t bless him with the ability to truly be an impact player.
I couldn't agree more about your assessment of Anthony and Willard
Anthony at least is agressive and I will live with his mistakes right now because of his inexperience. He needs to recognize things better than he does and I hope that starts sooner rather than later.
Willard at least looks like he knows where his assignment is and I see him play hard…He attempts to fight for things.
The talent on the defense is mostly young and inexperienced. I am not ready to call for Steele’s head yet or really anyone on his staff. The biggest problem is S&C and maybe even special teams. Did anyone see Saban tear into a player for his missed lane in the Bama/Auburn game? He let the player knew he was the reason why the Auburn player had an easy TD…and then that player didn’t see the field on the next kickoff. It was nice to see some coaching and punishment for doing the wrong thing. I kept thinking about McClain on offense and realized that Saban wouldn’t even let him be on the practice squad…
Motion before the snap
It seems like earlier in the season our offense was moving around a lot more before the snap, throwing defenses off balance. I’m seeing almost none of that at this point in the season, and our offensive production has plummeted. Am I crazy or would more motion before the snap make things a lot easier for us?
by PenthouseTiger on Nov 30, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions

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