Don't Focus on Results, You'll Just be Miserable.
by DrB on Nov 27, 2011 12:23 AM EST
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PrintWell I don't know what to say that I have not said here many times before. Clemson is a Charmin Soft football team that has been whipped at the point of attack by teams with superior functional physical and mental strength. All these things are responsibilities of the Head Coach and his S&C coach, Joey Batson. We lose these types of games because we do not have the WANT TO to win them, and that is Dabo's fault if it can be put on any one person.
3 in a row. 3 in a row is utterly unacceptable at Clemson. As far as I'm concerned, Dabo can take Kevin Steele and get the fuck out of town if this is going to be the norm under his watch. Yes, for those that are about to complain, I would trade a ACCCG for a SC win, but to treat this game, for 3 years straight, like it doesn't matter? Unacceptable. Clemson does not lose to SC. That is the Alpha and the Omega. If Dabo Swinney does not get this simple fact straight, which his otherwise worthless predecessor did, he can leave town now and save us the trouble of firing him later.
Before I go any further on my diatribe, i want to point out how well Coty Sensabaugh played tonight. We jumped all over Coty's skills in man/man coverage earlier this year and pointed out that he's better suited in Zone than being on an island. Coty played very well tonight, and on the last TD he did have good coverage and forced a good throw, which is all you can ask of a CB.
Andre Ellington likewise played his ass off tonight. I'm sad he was the only individual I could praise on the offense. Even the OL, who opened up no holes against good fronts this year, played fairly well in run blocking. It would be nice if The Chad realized how well Andre was running, and just went to Wildcat so Tajh couldn't have a complete mental brainfart.
The truth is that Tajh has regressed. He gets happy feet, in part due to shit pass blocking, but walking right into a sack is on the QB, not the lineman. He locks on his primary too quickly and seems confused when he has to read the coverage. He cut back on the bonehead decisions in the big 3-game stretch but they've increased over the last month. It did not help him that receivers dropped passes, but I did not see a lot of them being physical enough to get open.
And Clemson's defense is the worst Clemson defense I can remember. Tommy West's teams sucked overall, but they could still play good fundamental defense. Reggie Herring's at least had good LB play. Honestly if it were up to me, Steele and the defensive staff would be looking for a job next Sunday, because no single position can play their assignment or do anything productive. As much as I like the scheme we play, its not worth the shit I've been watching. Even the "good" players, or those you think are good, don't do their jobs right. Do you realize we let a worthless half-injured OL, another 15th string RB, a fat WR, and a QB who can't throw that well beat us again? I do so love it when I see a QB scramble and all 5 DBs standing still watching him run at them, and LBs waiting to be blocked instead of attacking the play, and DL who just go with the flow instead of holding gaps and refusing to me moved.
In short, because I have no stomach to be thorough tonight, you should prepare yourself for a 9-5 season. The team we have been for the last month will not defeat Virginia Tech. It will be massacred, and we will lose a shit bowl game as well if it doesn't get fixed this week. I'm waiting for you to prove me wrong Dabo Swinney.
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I’m so mad that I am now exhausted and just about to go to sleep, which is nice because usually my anger doesn’t reach that level and I can’t sleep. That being said what are you hearing about conflict between Dabo and Morris? And could this be the breaking point to force the major changes we have needed at Clemson throughout the university?
I haven't heard anything substantive
Aside from conflicts between Chad and batson/Caldwell.
by DrB on Nov 27, 2011 12:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
interested
To know the exact nature of the conflicts Batson and Caldwell were having. Do you know what the specific issue was?
Caldwell was more due to level of Play
than teaching skill. Chad was unhappy with OL altogether.
Batson resisted chads s&c plan last winter
I don't see how Batson can keep his job.
He (and Dabo) are the common denominator to softness. Let him go not just for a new s&c program, but for a new leader in the offseason. It’s clear we need a tougher mentality and we’re going to be breaking in new lines on both sides of the ball. It’s time.
Same position we were in this time last year
Blow this shit up. Start over. I would do horrible things to see us just get a real SOB as coach that demands fundamentals. We don’t do little things worth a damn; those little things being blocking or tackling. Horribly soft.
I too am interested in what kind of conflicts there are between Caldwell and Batson. I reviewed an old football workout program I had from Clemson in 1998 this weekend and it was pretty weak honestly. I know they got laid to waste today, but I think Ethan Reeve at Wake Forest runs circles around Batson.
by judge jeff davis on Nov 27, 2011 1:03 AM EST reply actions
The sad thing is that I wasn't even surprised with the night's results.
Dabo and Bowden have destroyed my faith in Clemson. Is there any chance that things will change?
I agree.
There must be a culture change. That starts at the top. Most, if not all, sports have been on a steady decline since 1990. I wonder if the folks at the top even hear the negative comments about Clemson from ESecPN. To me, that is a direct reflection on the entire University.
As long as the money is flowing in, nothing will change. I hate to even say that, but, facts are facts.
Well, at least we are good humanitarians
It wasn’t what I signed up for when I started following Clemson, but it is really noble of Kevin Steele to make so many dreams come true. He’s a one man Make-a-Wish Foundation for mediocre quarterbacks.
I think that is very special.
by A Balrog of Morgoth on Nov 27, 2011 3:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
10 wins will take a miracle @ this point.
WTF!!! Clemson pulled another Clemson!
Guess I need to go back to being a Phil Collins fan. He never lets me down, you know?!?!
by gslmoore on Nov 27, 2011 4:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
VT is going to whip Clemson so bad, its not even funny
Congrats Datboy, you are lost to USuC 3 times in a row. Never seen that in my entire life.
After every ass beating this team takes, i see players on facebook quoting bible verses. Are we running a football program or a bible college?? I’m a christian myself, though i might backslide with the cussing and the beer but HEY! I want some damn players who’ll smash people in the damn mouth! I don’t care if they’re freaking muslim! Give me some snake handlers!!!!!!!!! If Dabo is smart, he’ll fire Steele and Batson and maybe a couple of others (Pearman). If Clemson were smart, we’d call Gary Patterson back and offer him $4 million and apologize for not welcoming him here 3 years ago.
Dwayne Allen was already past the game last night
Why aren’t we all? That was just freaking unbelievable comment. We can all bitch about the offensive linemen that can’t block or the linebackers that can’t tackle, but it all really comes down to pride in doing your best every time you play. These guys have no pride and I think that is what pisses me off the most. How in the hell can you come out and play totally flat to your rival that has owned your ass the past two years. I also really don’t believe that Dabs even cares much about this rivalry. They should all have their names taken off their jerseys and replaced with “pussy” and they should take the paw off the helmet. They are an utter embarrassment to Clemson.
USC's players have a lot more hatred in this rivalry than our guys do
It has been apparent the last 3 years and it shows. They want to rip our hearts out and we don’t seem to mind.
7 players off the 2 deep oline and 4 players off the two deep dline next year , not to mention Diehl , Allen and Sensabaugh . thats right folks next year will be a complete fiasco . if the staff can not get 7 seniors to play the oline how the hell are we going to get it done with sophmores and freshmen
I know and Dabo keeps refering to the team as immature. and points out how many freshman are playing. well there aint no freshman playing on the O line and they are the worse bunch of linemen I’ve ever seen
by palmettodeuce on Nov 27, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with everything that's been said
but just wanted to add how bad our WRs played. Hopkins had a handful of drops. Watkins had a huge drop. Jaron Brown had a drop. Earlier in the year these guys were stepping up and making big plays, but now it seems everyone has gone in the tank.
Meant to add..
that I’m glad I didn’t watch much of this shitfest because it was inevitable we would get crushed. I don’t think the players are even listening to the staff anymore. I think they just want this season to end. They have to have no confidence in the system; how could they? We can’t stop a quarterback that is even semi-mobile. If Connor Shaw ran all over us what will Logan Thomas do? We don’t tackle well anyway, but Logan Thomas and David Wilson are far, far better than Shaw and Kenny Miles.
The real shame in all this is that we got out to an 8-0 start behind the smoke and mirrors bullshit we had. We don’t play the game the way it’s supposed to be played. Spurrier was able to amend his team to their strengths and limitations and he has built a solid program in Columbia. Until we get a coach that can build a program and teach fundamentals, recognize/evaluate talent and put it in a position to succeed we’re going to be looking up to the Cocks (virtually unbelievable).
by judge jeff davis on Nov 27, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
So disgusted
My mind keeps telling me that Dabo should get another two years to let the Tajh and Morris combo play out but after last night I’m having a hard time convincing myself of that. I really feel bad for Ellington because that kid was playing his ass off last night, 190 pounds and he was more physical than anybody else on the team.
Batson needs to get the hell out of town now, one way or the other. Steele can pack his bags too, granted we were pretty good the last two years on D but when you have 4 NFL caliber D linemen, 2 NFL corners and an all american at safety we should have been much better than we were. Our linebacker play has been shit since he got here, this is his position. We have a lot of youth but the corners are the only position which has improved since the year began, all others look worse. Last night was the worst Clemson defense in my memory by a long shot, Herring teams never looked that bad. Nobody has a clue WTF they are doing before the snap, no wonder they don’t play aggressively.
All the Negatives of Dispiriting Bowden-ism...
Without the positive of beating USC. This team was already beaten before they got to Columbia, just like they are already beaten before even getting to Charlotte next Sare’dee. Shouldn’t be surprised that the players are over it and on to the really important thing – Tweeting. You don’t feel that bad about something you didn’t care that much about to begin with…playing football for pride. That is the true Barker/TDP legacy – making USC the dominant sports program in the state…by a wide margin. Well done administration; reward yourself with another annuity out of petty cash. The upper deck will dutifully turn out in force next year to pay for it.
by TopTwentyPonziScheme on Nov 27, 2011 9:38 AM EST reply actions
What a joke.
What an embarrassing display. What a sorry excuse for effort. How in the hell does our team regress so drastically over the course of a football season? Can’t wait to go to Charlotte next weekend and watch us get our asses handed to us again on both sides of the ball. Our only hope is that VT takes us a lightly as they did earlier in the season, and we get extremely lucky. I agree with scjason99. I thnk what disgusts me most is the apparent lack of pride our team has.
Conditioning
I hate the way Dabo’s teams seem to get worse as the season unfolds. The off. line plays like they are in a limited hit practice session instead of a real game. So do the linebackers. they all look exhausted by the end of the third quarter. Did anyone notice Tajh’s belly fat? that wasn’t there at the begining of the season. I’d like to see them way everyone now and see how much fat they have gained while the season has played out. Motivational speeches about how great you can be if you believe won’t get it done alone. It’s a crime to have the talent this team has and not get but 50% of their potential out of them.
Next week
VPI is going to pull Steele’s pants down and spank his ass on National TV, and ole Dabo will be right there, taking up for that shithead and trying to explain it away, a la Bowden with that tired ass “one play away” bullshit we ate for years.
Enough is enough; Clemson can’t keep losing to USC and having the team mail in these lackluster perfomances! Get ‘em ready to play! That’s you’re job! Damn!
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut."
Ernest Hemingway
by DorchesterCat on Nov 27, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Sad thing is, all we'll here all offseason is how much better we are than last year
We’ll probably collapse and go 9-5 and James Barker, Terry Dumb Phillips and Datboy will be trumpeting the big improvement over the 6-7 clusterfuck that happend last year. They’ll all pat themselves on their backs and go about their business of destroying Clemson football beyond all recognition.
And I agree with you, the entire defensive staff should be fired next sunday. And woody mccorvey and fat brad can go the fuck on too.
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