Wake Forest Game Film Review
See the end for the summarizing thoughts. Please comment and ask questions on what you dont understand, these take a long time to do well. Our goal here is to look for good plays and bad technique. I may pull a few plays out to discuss the Clemson offense/defense, and if theres anything that you would like to see or have explained, just ask.
ESPN Play-by-Play
WF from 2, after we couldnt tackle to get a safety - IZ for 2...Iso for 5 right up the A-gap. I do like how Stephone took on the FB, but there should be a DT here quicker....Quick slant for 9. Umpire got in Brewers way in coverage....PA ball thrown deep incomplete, he had a step on Breeland...Stretch play for no gain...Price scrambles out after Branch loses his outside gap, steps up and throws complete for 13...Blitz, thrown incomplete to the back...Botched snap, RB picked it out of the air and Stephone is not in his gap, goes 19. Umpire was again in the way of a tackler...IZ for 3...End around, the DE pushes it back as he should but cant make the tackle, then Brewer plays pattycake on the tackle and pushes him out of bound...Delay IZ, gain of 1. Punt.
We played at least 3-4 different fronts there, and it was Williams/Shatley in at DT a lot, with Anthony at MLB.
CU from 20 - IZ for no gain thanks to McClain/Walker not hitting a soul....Zone for short gain. Never sealed the edge...Blitz, Tajh hit Sammy on the In route where they came from...IZ for 4...Bootleg, Tajh throws to double-covered Sammy on a Go route incomplete. He had a man open on a crosser at 15, but would've been difficult to hit with pursuit coming...Jaron on a slant for the 1st...IZ for 4...Bellamy on a counter H for 8...End around reverse to Watkins, gains 23...AE on the Power play for score. 7-0 Clemson 10 plays 80 yards, 03:35
Notice Sammy and Tajh executing what we said in the preseason about wheel motion. Whenever the ball doesnt come to you, you fake option pitch. The play is a handoff all the way, but Boyd and Sammy continue back outside as if there was a speed option.
WF from 27 - IZ for 2..Quick slant, Brewer missed tackle and gets him 17...Blitz, Stephone runs down the back on a dumpoff...Sweep for 5, outnumbered on the boundary...Quick hitch for 3...Branch held to the ground, Price steps out and hits a quick hitch for 1st down...Blitz, pass batted down...Speed option keep for 9, Jenkins comes up on the pitch but theres no LB there to hit Price and force it. Willard's responsibility....QB Sneak for 1st down...Stretch, Branch not in his gap, gets them 6...Quick slant, we're playing soft, gets 12...TE gets completely free release to the back for the TD, Hawkins responsibility. 7-7. 12 plays 73 yards, 04:40
I love how we play Cover 1, and yet don't know how to properly jam a receiver and funnel him inside to the Robber/FS. That is fundamental coverage and our guys aren't even touching the WR on release sometimes. Thats why they hit these timing slants and hitches all damn day on us.
CU from 40 - QB Counter for 5...Tajh keeps and loses one on a ZR, should've taken the bubble pass or thrown this away...End 1st QTR...Jaron Brown catches a bullet for 18, really nice throw...Boyd forces a throw without looking at the coverage at all. Hopkins cut inside and Sammy was outside wide open, Boyd was throwing to Nuk, but the safety cut right under him and hit his chest. Forced it. The ball should've been thrown deeper so he could go get it as well...called QB Draw for 2...Boyd slow on the trigger over the middle to Brown, pass was tipped....4th & 8, Sammy Watkins gets 13 on a comeback...Boyd forces a pass on a bubble, DE came free and didnt challenge Cooper's release and was right in the throwing lane. Tajh Boyd never saw him. Sam Cooper was running free wide open, as was the flat receiver on the other side. 8 plays 38 yards, 02:20
WF from 36 - OT Power for 7, Willard got nailed...Iso for 2...3rd & inches, Corico Hawkins reads the Iso and dives at his legs instead of putting his head into the chest. Punt.
CU from 20 - Wildcat with Sammy, Power play for 9...IZ for no gain...IZ for 10, nice block by Dwayne Allen...TO CU, looked like we werent set properly....Andre Ellington on a wheel route, LB cant keep up, 19 yd gain...False start Price...Boyd and Watkins miscommunicated on a route, almost picked off. Watkins cut on a Dig but Boyd threw a Hitch. LB would've stopped it either way. There was no one open here....Blitz, bullet to Sammy on a Dig...ZR keep, looked like a called keep on 3rd & 1, but should've been a read handoff....4th & 1, Power play for 3. Same play as the TD earlier...ZR keep for 1, this one was a read and done correctly...Brandon Ford makes a great catch on the sideline for 24 on a wheel route over Wilbur...IZ for 1...Boyd keeps and gets 3 off tackle. Ford could've blocked better outside to spring that for 6...I-formation Power play for TD. 14-7 Clemson 13 plays 80 yards, 05:39
A lot of our routes are cutting right into the teeth of this zone coverage.
WF from 26 - Hawkins is on the TE, gain of 3...Hawkins hits RB for gain of 2 on a zone...Blitz, Davis cuts on a slant and Breeland gave up too much separation. Gain of 10...Stretch sweep, Willard got blocked and Goodman went inside n...Sneak for 1st down...RB makes nice catch for 6 vs blitz...Screen, BOTH LBs read the play and are in position, neither Willard nor Hawk can make the tackle and he gets 6 more before Hall does, should've been a TFL...Sneak for the 1st down...Moore loses position in his lane as Price scrambles for 5...Blitz, Shuey and Andrews read screen properly and the ball is lateralled out of bounds...A T-E stunt gets pressure and Price throws it away. 47yd FG MISSED.
Linebackers...
CU from 30 - Boyd scrambles instead of taking the quick dump to Allen, gain of 2...Allen's slant cut right into a LB, Tajh threw it to him anyway, nearly picked. There were 3 white jerseys there. The pass in the flat was wide open to hit. All the slants on this play cut right into the zone's strength....TO CU...Sammy dropped the pass on a slant, again into tight coverage. Possibly could've hit AE in the flat if he'd thrown a bullet. Punt.
WF kneels on the ball to end the half, which surprised me.
Halftime
Boyd is forcing balls into coverage based on the pre-snap read he makes, or so it appears. On quick pass plays like double slants and double hitches, etc., recall we discussed this offseason that the QB reads the defender on the slot WR, and picks his side he wants to throw to. He picks the one with the poorest defender or defender leverage. Boyd seems to be doing that and not reading what the coverage does. Also, he's locking on the primary on downfield routes. He is seeing the checkdown, but for whatever reason he's not taking the free yards. He has to learn to take that.
Basically his decision making is mystifying me.
Wake is playing pretty good zone and theyre dropping to a depth so that all our routes cut right into the strength of the zone, which makes you force the ball into tight windows. If you can stretch it deep, you can defeat it, but we could be taking the checkdown and getting the ball moving and Tajh in a rhythm. We arent playing bad offensively but we can take those checks.
Our defensive front is atrocious. Nearly everyone was seen to be out of his gap at least once, aside from BT. Even Branch isn't keeping the edge containment. When the LBs read the play right, they still don't make the tackle.
Clemson's defense is showing a front and adjusting quite a bit very late into various fronts, but we got almost no pressure for all that attempt at confusing their OL.
If our receivers were trying to JAM the WR, some of these slants would be incomplete.
Start 3rd QTR
CU from 20 - Counter for 8...Boyd finds Brown in the flats open for 9...Bubble to Sammy, no block from Nuk...Boyd throws one behind Allen in the dirt with a OLB in his face...Nuk slips and Boyd has a man in his face, threw it away. Punt. 5 plays 15 yards
WF from 37 - Iso for 7...Blitz forces bad throw...Meeks picks off a tipped pass, but holding was called on Sensabaugh. It was legit....WR screen, Xavier Brewer missed the first tackle, he goes 17 after that and Rashard Hall gets a facemask called...Blitz, Christian blatantly held, Price throws it away...Pressure, Price throws one in dirt...Quick slant, no jam from Brewer and hes whipped inside, gets em 9...4th & 1, defense stops them on QB sneak. Turnover on downs at CU 5. 7 plays 58 yards
Think we got a bit of a beneficial spot on the 4th down.
Clemson did adjust by jamming more at the line, but whomever is on the slot still gets his ass beat inside. Either we don't have the right leverage or they're still hitting like little girls on the jam.
CU from 5 - Counter H for 3...Counter H for 9...Boyd has all day, overthrows Watkins by a mile on a Go route. Holding called on Price...Counter H for 3...Boyd throws to Allen on sideline with 2 white jerseys there. WR route came down over Allen's. Price was injured on this play. DE/DT rolled into his leg from the side while he was engaged with another...Allen on a Post/Dig, thrown too high ahead of him. Punt. 5 plays 8 yards, 01:50
Offense looks uninterested and lethargic.
Punt returned 50yds for TD. 14-14. Horrible angles and loss of containment outside by Justin Parker. You do not let the man get outside your lane.
CU from 22 - Zone for 2...Counter H, AE fumbled it.
WF from Clemson 25 - Coty playing off, quick slant complete for 6...Pendergrass gets right through the B-gap where Stephone Anthony should be standing for 19 yd score. 21-14 Wake Forest
I dont know why Anthony is over on the side where we have Brewer standing in front of an OT and another player up outside. There was no one left to cover the B-gap opposite.
Stephone was not where he was supposed to be.
Why Rashard's first step was backwards, I cannot figure.
CU from 27 - Sammy looked to have fallen hard on the shoulder on this kick return, and they got a bit of a late chip shot as he was down. Bucksweep for 6...Boyd throws one about 6 yards too short to Allen, should've been picked. Safety came underneath the Post cut and it bounced off his hands. Tajh never looked off the safety. He probably couldve hit Brown open up the seam opposite. Tajh just locked on Dwayne....Swing pass to AE for 14...Boyd throws one right at the FS who didnt have to move. Returned 29 yds.
This is where I'd have benched Tajh for a series. His head was not right. He forced the ball to Allen and the 2nd was to Nuk but again 10 yards short.
WF from CU 44 - We swamp a zone...Playing off, Jenkins forces out a quick dumpoff for 8...Anthony just a bit late picking up Pendergrass in flat coverage. Gets 1st down...Pendergrass breaks through B-gap for 33 yd TD. 28-14 Wake Forest 4 plays 44 yards, 01:25
Steele said in the postgame that he had a bad call on for this play.
Again, no one was there to cover the gap even when we started in an alignment that should've stopped it. Again, it is supposed to be Anthony's gap, unless there was some kind of blitz called.
Notice above we're aligned shaded to the Field, and the S is coming down opposite.
Safety came down, but why did the LBs both scrape inside? Even if theres a stunt, that outside B-gap should be covered by somebody.
By the time Anthony gets off the block, its too late. No one is left.
CU from 32 - Bubble to Humphries for 8...Zone for 1..QB Power for the 1st down...Empty, Bubble to Sammy for 17, he falls down hard on the same shoulder and goes out...Power sweep for 3...Brown catches a deep crosser for 18. Was wide open...IZ for 4...ZR bubble to Humphries for 8...Power sweep and WF makes a good tackle on Andre. Wish our guys hit like that...Boyd takes it in for TD, called back for penalty. Werent lined up right...Boyd scrambles and hits Ford on his tiptoes for TD. 28-21 10 plays 68 yards, 04:09
Looks like Chad decided to just hit the easy bubble screens to get Tajh going.
WF from 32 - Quick dump to flats for 3...Zone right up the B-gap, where Willard should be, for 6...Dump to Campanaro and Jenkins was on it, but he got enough for the 1st...Start 4th QTR...Bubble, we read it perfectly and got BT through (was held), but Price scrambles and hit Givens on a comeback for 9...Fumbled QB snap...ZR keep for 2 and a 1st down...Bubble, nice open field tackle by Breeland for loss...Quick slant for 5, receiver fell down. Breeland 10 miles away...Blitz, Jenkins jams and is all over the crossing route, incomplete. Punt.
Much tighter coverage all around on this drive, except when we went zone and backed Breeland way off the slot.
CU from 3 - AE on IZ for 23 yds. Nice throwdown block by Brandon Ford....Boyd to Nuk, who dropped it. Ball was low and he was slipping, but catchable...Nuk on a hitch at the sticks...3rd & 1, IZ took too long to develop and Wilber comes off the opposite corner to tackle AE for no gain...4th & 1, QB Sneak and our OL can't move a defense they outweigh by 40lbs a man.
NFW should we go for it at our 33 down 7 with 10min left, when our defense just gave up 2 easy TDs, especially not with an OL with poor functional strength coached by Batson.
Dabo gonna dab.
WF from CU 33 - Stretch, Willard late outside and gets 7-8...IZ, cut right up the A-gap. Brandon let himself get moved out of his position and Willard wasnt blocked out by the free lineman...IZ for 2. Brandon didnt get moved that time...Blitz, Hawkins of course cannot make a sack with a free shot. Thrown away...Back shoulder throw to Campanaro thrown a bit too far, tight coverage by Breeland though. 32 yd FG MISSED.
CU from 20 - Boyd rolls out, Nuk slipped and the ball was nearly picked again. Thats on Nuk...Bucksweep for 7, McClain refused to block a soul....Quick slant to Nuk for 11...RB screen for 9. McClain didnt block anybody at all...Howard on a zone for 7...Boyd steps out due to pressure, DJ has to do better at blocking. HIts Allen for quick dump...Looks like WF jumped offsides, OL freezes, and Boyd scrambles out to hit Brown....Ford gets behind the OLB on a wheel route for 20, very nice route and throw...Toss pitch for 2...PA pass to Brown sneaking behind the coverage for TD. 28-28 10 plays 80 yards, 03:18
All the screens shook the cobwebs out of Tajh's brain apparently. The play where the OL froze wasn't a trick or late release, it looked like WF jumped and they froze instantly. If the TE was supposed to release late, he didnt.
Antoine McClain is fucking worthless. Fat, and lazy as hell.
WF from 15 - IZ, Rennie Moore makes a good play to stuff it...Tig jumps a swing route, TFL...Pressure collapses the pocket, Price chunks it downfield. Punt.
That drive was stuffed due to better DL play.
CU from 48 - Bucksweep for 3, guess who didnt block anyone?...Boyd takes forever to get rid of one and finally throws it away...Allen in the flats for 9...Nuk makes a leaping catch in coverage on a Post for 18...Bucksweep for short gain, guess who didnt touch anybody?...IV for 5, DE-LB twist and OLB too late...QB Iso for 4. 30 yd FG MISSED.
Agree with the call to kick it. Don't know how Cat can hit from 40+ better than <30.
WF from 20 - Price hits the TE over the coverage for 18. I love how Tig just tapped him on release instead of JAMMING HIM LIKE HES SUPPOSED TO. Hall comes up, Hawkins key blitzed, nobody pays attention to the TE...Pass batted and Hawkins nearly picked it...Jenkins/Moore bats a pass down on a Drag...Blitz, Moore gets him...TO CU at :52. Punt.
CU from 33 - Boyd hits Allen on a wheel for 18...Again on a wheel route for 15...Spike it at 0:15...Humphries on a screen for about 8-9. 42yd FG GOOD 31-28
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Summarizing Thoughts
Overall, there is no excuse whatsoever for the lack of focus and intensity this team displayed throughout the game on both sides of the ball. You just had 2 weeks off and didn't want to play a game to decide the Division? If its the whole team, it goes on the HC. Dabo did not have them motivated for this contest. We also see another game management decision that is a real puzzler.
Offense
I think the explanation from Morris that Tajh is overconfident in his arm is legit. He thinks he can thread needles but nobody can throw through the opposite color jersey. He wasn't reading the coverage WF showed us at all, nothing more than his pre-snap read. I thought WF played decent zone, and they backed it up to a perfect depth, but his problems are more in his head during this game. He locked on his pre-snap read and forced balls into coverage when the man was covered. Some of it could be due to his footwork (sailing balls, underthrown), but many times WF was giving us open guys in the flats or under the coverage. To keep drives going, you have to take those 5 yard passes.
The OL still sucks at run blocking, which is nothing new. I do love how McClain can manage to basically not block anyone in an entire drive, yet remains starter. He sucks almost as much as Corey Lambert. I will be so happy when his lazy ass graduates. Neither Smith, Thomas, nor Freeman were altogether impressive against a front we outweigh by a huge amount. Also, for whatever reason, we again show a weakness versus 30 fronts. We see ODD fronts all the time, but when both guards are completely uncovered its like we don't know who to block. That is pathetic. Troy did it, Wofford did it, GT and WF have done 30 fronts, and we're 30-40+ lbs bigger per man. Part coaching, part soft players, part Batson.
I'm curious why the IV-fake jet sweep we were running predominantly is now unused. I imagine it is to break a tendency that the staff has seen, and they know Sammy is banged up, but we need a few more solid perimeter runs aside from the bucksweep if the OL doesnt know how to move people on the IZ.
Thomas did well enough at LT in Price's stead. I do not know if he's capable of handling Clowney but the experience for him at LT is needed for next season. He's more athletic and quicker than Price, but Price puts forward effort unmatched on this line. Overall the line was much better at pass pro.
Where was Dwayne Allen in the 1st half? Well WF was trying to take him away but theres a combination of him not getting himself open and Tajh not looking at the easy completions.
Some folks question whether this offense has been figured out. This offense is exceedingly simple and not hard to figure. Its the misdirection and fakes that keep LBs off-balance. Its the ability of the WR/RB/QB that dictate how it goes. By this time of year you must play good football; everyone has film on your tendencies. What WF as doing was just dropping 8 guys into zone and making Tajh read. He didnt read. If he does, the game is over by halftime.
NC State plays a 4-2-5 zone defense, quite similar to what VK ran, so we'll see if Boyd paid attention to Morris' reprimand about taking the checkdowns. I think he'll be fine.
Defense
Clemson did hold WF to a good yards-per-play. I'll stop praising there.
Our gap control up front is bad. That is the cause of us giving up another 100+ yd game to another 2nd/3rd string RB. Pendergrass wasn't even the starter remember. The truth is that our defense is not going to get much better this season. It'll likely get worse. WF ran zones that looked to have aim points at the OT's feet, which basically says that they ran right at the DEs up the B-C gaps. C gap is the DE's job, B-gap is usually LB, and anything further out, one of the two LBs (MLB/OLB) is supposed to scrape and help or a DB has run support.
I saw us run a lot of fronts in this game early, and I don't think we can handle it. We don't even play our base fronts correctly, and we're showing 3 or 4 more fronts? You can't cut the whole playbook out, but the LBs don't attack, they play slow and reactive like they don't know what to do. These guys don't know how to control a gap, and that goes for all 4 starters on the DL + all 3 LBs. Brandon runs himself right out of his assignment, as does Branch, but at least they do it at full speed.
Goodman looks so slow that he's nearly useless. He's so big now that he looks like a better 3-technique than End. The speed rush he once had is gone. Steele says he's doing his job, and the film shows it, but he's not ever making a play. I think he needs to work on technique and lose 15lbs.
We need speed at DE badly. We need a pass rush. If you play Man coverage with no pass rush, youre asking for it. One feeds on the other's success. Pressure coverage requires you to get pressure on a QB, and we got none until the end of the game. This is why the young corners are having a rougher time. It would help them if they knew how to jam someone out of their cleats, but they dont collectively.
Meeks wasnt making plays in the passing game before, and his replacement can't tackle at all. Our DBs don't get up in the alley to fill outside. Brewer took awful angles, which is pandemic in this defense. Between horrid angles, poor use of leverage, and an inability to wrap up, its no surprise that this is one of the worst Clemson defenses I can remember.
Martin Jenkins should play more. He might not have great talent but at least he knows he has to work hard and jam somebody. He did it against MD and again in this game. Sensabaugh often got matched on Givens, who we think will play in the NFL, and did an outstanding job.
But our D will probably make the next two opponents look like the NE Patriots. We're going to have to score big points.
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Well that's comforting
Our D is bad in almost every aspect of the game either through lack of effort, lack of overall talent, or lack of coaching. Most likely it’s a combination of the three. I agree that Tajh will get his head on right and realize that checkdowns can be your best frined, especially when you’re giving the ball to AE or Bellamy with at least 3-4 yards of space from any defender, that’s a good way to make the D play honest. I liked the resiliency that Tajh and the offense showed as well as seeing Brandon Ford get some PT. He’ll be good for us next year if Allen decides to leave, which I expect.
ALso Anthony seemed to be out of positino a bit, I wonder if that was coaching or simply growing pains from a young LB, which is probably the hardest position on D to play as a freshman.
This might be asking a bit much but is it possible that we could get a post on our S&C program and how it differs from other teams, such as Alabama, LSu, etc? I would like to have a good idea just what we are doing incorrectly that is causing the O-line to play so pathetically against weaker opponenats.
this may or may not help
LSU and Alabama S&C are both led by Gayle Hatch understudies. Hatch was an Olympic Weightlifting coach thru the late 80’s and early 90’s and a strength coach at LSU among others. You can see a beginner template for his program here (too many exercises is you ask me but who am I to question him)
I was previliged to have a copy of LSU’s S&C’s handbook in 2005. It had most of the same exercises.
Here is a video of what Clemson does
while this is merely a “highlight” clip, it seems like a cluster fuck of exercises with less emphasis placed on snatch and clean and jerk (exercises that require great power production). There are some cleans in there but they are light and god i hope we can do more.
I’m blind to what Bama and LSU do for conditioning. I’d guess repeated short sprints (60 yard or less) but thats just a guess
forgot to mention
Batson is more of a powerlifting style (squat, bench, deadlift) coach -like say Louie Simmons. Saying one style is better than the other will only start a pissing contest between both sides. To Batson’s credit, Alabama and LSU have had greater talent to work with. Maybe this makes their coaches look better.
Go back and look in the archives.
STS had a piece on this a while back and there was a huge debate over which system was better. I am no expert, but apparently whoever the guy was at LSU made a true believer out of Saban.
"Clemson is coming!" - Stephone Anthony
by Tigerplowboy on Nov 17, 2011 3:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dave Redding
Marty Schottenheimer used to use this guy Dave Redding who had a unique way of doing things. I don’t know that much about his philosophy but everywhere he went the team basically went from bottom feeder to success. His last stop, you guessed it, Green Bay last year.
He just retired. I might call him for advice if I was Dabo or Batson.
We have debated it in posts before
particularly for the Troy postgame I think.
I have debated getting a S&C coach here to write one.
I'd like to see that post...
I’m interested on this discussion, and am seeing it as a real weakness right now for us…
I think I’d like to see a change here this season. I think I’m ready to see a change at d coordinator as well btw
by PapaCinco on Nov 18, 2011 11:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thankyou for the hard work on this one.
I think this game comes down to us just not coming to play, and then having to step it up late in order to pull out the win. The coaches and players need to shoulder some of the blame, but when our fans are buying tickets for the ACCCG in masse, vegas has us as 16 point favorites, and everyone is telling the team how easy this one is going to be, then all of that has to rub off on the team. It shouldn’t, but it does.
"Clemson is coming!" - Stephone Anthony
by Tigerplowboy on Nov 17, 2011 8:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
It does
As a player no matter how much you try to block stuff out, it is very veyr easy to become complacient especially agaisnt a team that you’ve owned in the past. Wake wanted it more at the begning of the game when the light came on for us, they couldn’t keep up.
McClain plays too many snaps
He’s probably the biggest guy on the team and Dabo has admitted that he does not do well when he gets tired. He’s serviceable when fresh. In Chad’s offense he’s not going to be fresh very often. I would split his time at RG with Cloy. If he played every other series, we’d get a little more consistency from him.
I disagree with you're statement about benching Tajh a series
at one point during the game. He’s achieved too much this season and has shown on multiple occasions that he can turn it around within the course of a game. No one knows how he’ll respond to an in game benching. I wouldn’t try to find out in game 10 of a season with the division title on the line.
The outcome of the game was pretty remarkable. We lose the turnover battle 3 to 0, give up a special teams touchdown, and our starting QB played shaky for 2/3 of the game. Yet, we still won. WF is probably a top 30 team. How many teams in the country could overcome all of that versus that level of competition? We definitely need to clean up some things, but I’m impressed by the “refuse to lose” mentality of the team.
Agreed
I wouldn’t have benched Tajh either, but to honest I would seriously be thinking abou tit or at least do what Chad did during the Marland game and ask him if we need to get Cole ready. Tajh is still his biggest critic and I’m sure he’s in the locker romm 24/7 looking at film to make sure he doesn’t make the same mistakes again. It’s the first time he’s seen a team drop 8 and his was rushing. Once he calmed down he was fine. I trust that he’ll be okay if he sees it again and take the check down.
I agree with you.
Tajh has been through some rough patches but he typically comes back and makes up for it. The whole stadium…fans and team…were in a funk for a good part of the third quarter, and Wake had about as much momentum on their side as any team has ever had in a football game. It was as though our whole camp was in shock. Then, they flipped a switch and it was a completely different team.
"Clemson is coming!" - Stephone Anthony
by Tigerplowboy on Nov 17, 2011 3:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
While impressive
to see that kind of mental toughness, like Dabo said we don’t need to be put in those situations again. It took a long time for Tajh to calm down and our D, well that’s self explanitory. One thing though was the holds. We could less of a pass rush then we normally do necuase our front four were being BLATANTLY held rigt in front of the ref. Very very annoying when that happens. ALso I was suprised to actually hear Steele admit that he called the wrong scheme and we got burned on it.
Agree with your assessment on Goodman
He is way too slow and stiff to be an effective DE for us. He doesn’t generate any pressure at all on opposing QBs. He either needs to lose weight and gain flexibility or lose his starting spot next year. I just don’t know who we’d replace him with (I’m looking at you Mr. Bullard).
What's the word on him anyway?
I heard that he was impressed and happy with the visit and with Watkins coming that helps a lot too. Do oyu think we’re in the driver’s seat right now, especially with FLorida sucking wind and just trying to get to a bowl?
We're not in the driver's seat by any means
but we have a chance. Getting Carlos Watkins helped a lot. He is going to Sakerlina this weekend. It’s a three team race between us, the coots, and Florida. He keeps saying that it’s even right now. Florida has advantages in that he really likes their DL coach and his teammate Ledbetter is going there. Sakerlina is selling him on the the Clowney/Bullard potential dominance. It’s really too close to call right now because he isn’t giving enough information one way or another to let people make inferences.
He says he’ll make his decision in early December, so at least we don’t have to wait too long to find out.
I hope we get him, but we needed Watkins even more, and we got him.
Sounds like we are really getting a good jump on the next class.
"Clemson is coming!" - Stephone Anthony
by Tigerplowboy on Nov 17, 2011 3:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What's the latest on Keith Brown?
Saw he switched from Miami to Illinois, but thought we were high on his list at one point. Sounds like he is having a hard time making up his mind.
"Clemson is coming!" - Stephone Anthony
by Tigerplowboy on Nov 17, 2011 4:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Going to Illinois sounds like a bad idea right now
what with Ron Zook on the hotseat and pooch kicking his season.
Package Deal
He and his family wanted him to play with his brother. His brother isn’t BCS caliber. Illinois offered his brother to get Brown. Clemson and Miami didn’t offer his brother.
by ggggmen08 on Nov 17, 2011 5:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If true, then a good call on our part.
"Clemson is coming!" - Stephone Anthony
by Tigerplowboy on Nov 17, 2011 5:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hope we can land Bullard
If we do it may be a good idea to get Goodman to just stack on another 10-15lb and move to the 3 technique. We are going to need some bodies there next season…
Wish we could hit like them
Our D is depressing me. It’s really sad when we say “We wish we hit like Wake”. It’s just strange to me watching them now. This is not a Clemson defense. It’s like certain players don’t even exist when they are on the field. Coming into this season I knew Meeks would be a liability in coverage but at least he would hit someone last year. Where has that been? And Quandon, disappearing act. He was the first person to miss a WIDE open tackle on the opening kickoff. Our starting SLB. Yikes.
The most embarrassing thing was watching Corico try to bring down Tanner Price. Just sad…
The Bright Side- We’re winning. They are doing just enough. Honestly and surprisingly our D has forced some TO’s this year, 25% of which have been called back, but they have done well in that regard.
"Just because you've had 2 or 3 good games doesn't mean anything right now. It's not the first 3 games you're going to be remembered by." - The Chad
I am curious to see how the defense does the rest of the year, and then what moves, if any, are made at the end of the season.
I have really liked the hires on that side of the ball, and am not convinced it is entirely coaching. That said, if you have second and third year players who don’t understand the system, then it may be too complicated. I have no doubt that these NFL coaches are smart, and they may be able to devise excellent schemes, but I am not sure those schemes are practical at the college level, where players do not have unlimited time to learn them.
"Clemson is coming!" - Stephone Anthony
by Tigerplowboy on Nov 17, 2011 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
Look at our offense. While it looks complicated it really isn’t. IF oyu do the simple things well, then you’ll be a good D. I don’t even care about the scheme but if our players are so busy trying to learn it instead of practicing tackling, wrapping up, proper angles, playing with your eyes, iow the fundamentals, then it doesn’t matter what scheme you run. TO see other teams with Ds that have a lot less talent than ours play so well is disheartening. D is a staple of Clemson and yet this year it is our biggest weakness.
I wonder if Tajh was erring on the side of big throws for Heisman consideration or highlight reels.
I remember Goodman as doing very well last season as a backup, and I expected him to be a beat this year. Is my memory wrong or did he regress, or doesn’t have the conditioning?
tI don’t see how Morris could have pulled Boyd.
Somebody should have pulled Dabo after going for it on 4th and 1 from our own 33. That was insane and nearly cost the game. I’m not sure what was worse, the decision, the play-cal, or the execution. On the other end of the field, I think Dabo made the right call to attempt a field goal instead of going for it on 4th & 1, but if he had gone for it there, I could have gotten my arms around the decision. I hope Dabo learns from his mistakes and improves his in-game management of the clock and going for it. I expect he will.
I don’t think that I heard any reporter ask Dabo about going for it on 4th &1 from the CU 33 (not that I expect the sycophantic beat writers to ever ask a tough question). Did Dabo address that?
I think they did ask him, and I think he was dissapointed we could not gain four inches.
Bad call in hindsite, but I was not wild about giving the ball back to them at that point. You would think we could get 4 inches against Wake.
"Clemson is coming!" - Stephone Anthony
by Tigerplowboy on Nov 17, 2011 4:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He mentioned it on his show
Said it was on him.
He was going to punt, but when they measured and said inches, he felt " this is for the championship, we should be able to get inches."
Considering the history of our OLs this year (and previous), I don’t know why he would think that.
Question
What is the process of identifying what a defense (or offense) is doing during a game? do certain coaches only watch certain positions, alignments, etc and provide info to the Coordinators? What adjustments are made during a game versus halftime?
Differs with different staffs
But position coaches are usually watching their position players first so they can coach them up some on the sidelines. They’re radioing things to the coordinator they see.
Players will tell the coaches on the field what the other team is doing to them, and the coaches in the booth will radio down the birds eye view. Harbison does that for Steele.
The thing about halftime is that you can sit them down in a quieter place and explain things to them, or draw it up so everyone can see it on a whiteboard.
Few points
1. Tajh has played pretty well this season, but still has two big flaws that Morris has been harping on him all season. Poor footwork/mechanics leading to inaccurate high throws. And he locks on to one guy for the entire play. We could have 4 guys wide ass open and he’ll throw into triple coverage because that’s the guy he locked on to pre-snap. It’s gotta change, but at this point in the year, you know it wont. Maybe some coaching and work in the offseason can fix it.
2. Defense blows. I know Steele and Harbison are held in high regards on this blog. But I just dont see the performance on the field to back that up. Our secondary is always confused, blown coverages, improper technique. Thats on the coach. Personally, I wasn’t high on the Harbison hire. I dont remember our secondary being all that when he was here previously. Now, he may be coaching his ass off and the players just ignore him. If that’s so, then I apologize for the criticism. And LB play has been abysmal ever since Steele has been here. Time for a change. Those two need to go. Or Steele needs to pull a Dabo and remove himself from the equation and consolidate the DL under one coach, and that way we can hire a new LB coach and Steele can just coordinate. Because he’s not getting it done as a position coach. The LB play sucks. Even Anthony’s out there making a ton of mistakes, and you just dont get a better talent than that, so lack of talent is not the excuse there. Not trying to beat a dead horse, but the defensive staff should undergo several changes this offseason. This has to be one the worst, most unprepared, poorly coached, worst tackling defenses I’ve ever seen at Clemson and is an embarrassment.
3. I know Dabo going for it on 4th was not the fundamentally right choice. But honestly, I think he saw our defense getting destroyed for the entire third quarter and figured that they’d only get further behind by punting. So he went for it. I was disappointed in the play call. When has clemson gotten that tough yard in the last 10 years. When they line up in a power run formation and the other team knows they’re going to run, they never get it. Should have spread them out, so the defense had to respect the pass, then let Tajh or AE run up the middle for the yard. Think that would have worked much better.
After the last two games, if Clemson has any chance of finishing off this special season, the players must play better. That effort wont beat NCST on the road, it certainly wont beat USuC on the road, or VT in Charlotte. Gotta get better in a hurry!
Preach it!
We have to get back to playing the way we did early in the season or we are going to have a terrible ending to what has otherwise been a great season. Saturday is the time to turn it around and start clicking on all cylinders, because we need some momentum. In no way do I think we are a top 10 team if we continue playing the way we have the last two weeks. But, if we put the defensive performance we saw at VT with the offensive performance we saw in the last three quarters of the Auburn game, or the last part of the MD game, then I think we could beat dang near anyone. Team’s choice as to which one they want to be.
"Clemson is coming!" - Stephone Anthony
by Tigerplowboy on Nov 18, 2011 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think our record and body of work this season say we are a top 10 team
But we certainly have not played like it the last two weeks. And the defense hasnt played like it all year. There’s still time to improve. I’d like to see a good sign this saturday, come our and play with intensity from the beginning of the game and not wait until down by double digits.
Everyone who reads this blog knows you hate Steele and Harbison
You need not remind them in every post, so drop it.
One mroe thing
Yes, McClain SUCKS!!!! I dont see how he’s starting ( I know its because he’s from Alabama and Dabo thinks everything from Bama is just the best ever). If our backups cannot beat out that fat lazy piece of shit then what does that say about our O-line going forward?
It was nice to hear Morris just flat out call them out this week on Monday. OG play has been pretty bad all year. I guess our guys just arent mean enough to get after it. They always say the players take on the personality of their coach, and that would be Brad Scott. Too nice of a guy and the players play too “nice”. One of my all-time favorite O-linemen was Erik Williams of the Cowboys. That guy was downright mean. Defensive guy in a OL body and he played like it.

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