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2011 Clemson vs. Georgia Tech Depth Chart Recruited Talent Analysis

Clemson travels to Hotlanta to face Coastal foe Georgia Tech on Saturday night.   We'll see how this squad's recruited talent compares to our Clemson Tigers. Before we get into the analysis, I'll point out that I have taken the depth charts for both teams DIRECTLY from the Clemson website (www.clemsontigers.com).  A pdf version of this can be found here.  I will go ahead and tell you that because of injuries and Monday depth chart adjustments, some items here may end up a little out of place come gametime.  I won't try to interpret or guess.  In an effort to maintain consistency, I'll use both teams' depth charts as presented on the official Clemson Athletics website.

We should not have to tell you this, but some folks debate what to take from these articles. We expect you, the reader, to form an opinion of your own. Often we will give you our take on things, but you should independently form your own thoughts based on information out there.  This article shows recruiting data for the depth chart roster as referenced above.  It does not weigh experience nor does it evaluate coaching, preparation, etc... We think this is an interesting and valuable tool that is useful in overall program evaluation because there is a link between these star ratings and other metrics in both college football and the NFL.

Keep in mind as you look through this data that only players who were officially signed were given a "Star Rating".  Players who were not signed could not be quantitatively assessed a recruiting rating.  Such players get a "NA" rating and were not included in the averaged data.  Again, all data was attained from www.Scout.com and www.Rivals.com.  Players whose Scout/Rivals data was not available but were signed were assigned a "NR".  We picked carefully through the data and believe all is correct.  However, if we've overlooked an item we apologize in advance and ask that you point it out so that we can make the correction in our database.

Figure 1 and Table I both show an average of offensive players, defensive players, and specialist listed on the two-deep roster.   Tables II through IV show the two-deep roster used for analysis along with the recruiting ratings for each player on the depth chart.

Again, Clemson has better RECRUITED talent than its opponent. The Tigers are over 3/4 of a star better on average on offense, over a quarter star on average better on defense, and 0.6 stars on average better overall, including CU crushing the Jackets on Special Teams.  If games were played on paper, you would say that the Tigers would have a decided advantage based solely on recruited talent alone.

Team Recruiting Service Offense Defense Specialists Overall Average
Clemson Scout 3.46 3.25 3.71 3.40
Rivals 3.62 3.29 3.29 3.44
Average 3.54 3.27 3.50 3.42
Georgia Tech Scout 2.90 3.00 2.00 2.82
Rivals 2.86 3.00 2.14 2.82
Average 2.88 3.00 2.07 2.82

 

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Clemson Offense Georgia Tech Offense
Pos. # Player Hgt Wgt Cl. Scout Rivals Pos. # Player Hgt Wgt Cl. Scout Rivals
LT 79 PHILLIP PRICE 6-5 315 *Sr. NA NA LT 64 RAY BENO 6-2 290 *So. 2 3
63 Brandon Thomas 6-3 300 *So. 4 4 57 Catlin Alford 6-3 295 *Fr. 3 3
LG 63 BRANDON THOMAS 6-3 300 *So. 4 4 LG 52 WILL JACKSON 6-3 285 *So. 3 3
73 David Smith 6-5 310 *Gr. 3 3 70 Shaq Mason 6-1 295 Fr. 3 3
C 55 DALTON FREEMAN 6-5 285 *Jr. 4 4 C 50 JAY FINCH 6-3 283 *So. 3 3
62 Mason Cloy 6-3 310 *Gr. 3 3 76 Nick McRae 6-3 291 *Jr. 3 3
RG 74 ANTOINE McCLAIN 6-6 335 Sr. 4 4 RG 77 OMOREGIE UZZI 6-3 300 *Jr. 4 4
62 Mason Cloy 6-3 310 *Gr. 3 3 71 J.C. Lanier 6-4 298 *So. 4 4
RT 72 LANDON WALKER 6-6 305 *Gr. 4 4 RT 61 PHIL SMITH 6-5 292 *Jr. 3 2
70 Gifford Timothy 6-6 315 *Fr. 2 3 or 69 TYLER KIDNEY 6-2 262 *So. N/A N/A
TE 83 DWAYNE ALLEN 6-4 255 *Jr. 4 4 WR 5 STEPHEN HILL 6-5 206 Jr. 4 3
80 Brandon Ford 6-4 235 *Jr. 3 4 80 Daniel McKayhan 6-0 198 *Jr. 2 2
86 Sam Cooper 6-4 240 *Fr. 2 2 QB 13 TEVIN WASHINGTON 6-0 205 *Jr. 3 2
WR 6 DeANDRE HOPKINS 6-1 200 So. 4 4 10 Synjyn Days 6-1 212 *Fr. 3 3
1 Martavis Bryant 6-5 205 Fr. 4 4 AB 17 ORWIN SMITH 6-0 202 Jr. 2 3
QB 10 TAJH BOYD 6-1 225 *So. 5 4 24 Embry Peeples 5-10 185 Sr. 3 3
8 Cole Stoudt 6-4 200 Fr. 3 3 BB 7 DAVID SIMS 6-0 218 *So. 3 3
RB 23 ANDRE ELLINGTON 5-10 190 *Jr. 4 4 27 Preston Lyons 6-0 211 *Sr. N/A N/A
22 D.J. Howard 5-11 195 *Fr. 3 3 or 21 Charles Perkins 6-0 219 *Fr. 3 3
5 Mike Bellamy 5-10 175 Fr. 4 5 AB 20 RODDY JONES 5-9 202 *Sr. 3 3
25 Roderick McDowell 5-9 190 *So. 3 4 9 Tony Zenon 5-8 182 *Fr. 2 2
FB 30 CHAD DIEHL 6-2 260 *Sr. 2 3 WR 84 TYLER MELTON 6-0 206 Sr. 2 2
WR 18 JARON BROWN 6-2 200 *Jr. 3 3 81 Jeff Greene 6-4 200 Fr. 3 3
19 Charone Peake 6-3 205 Fr. 4 4
26 Marquan Jones 5-10 195 Sr. 3 4
WR 2 SAMMY WATKINS 6-1 200 Fr. 5 5
13 Adam Humphries 6-0 190 Fr. 3 2

 

 

Clemson Defense Georgia Tech Defense
Pos. # Player Hgt Wgt Cl. Scout Rivals Pos. # Player Hgt Wgt Cl. Scout Rivals
DE 97 MALLICIAH GOODMAN 6-4 280 Jr. 4 4 OLB 45 JEREMIAH ATTAOCHU 6-3 223 So. 3 3
90 Kourtnei Brown 6-6 255 *Gr. 4 4 42 Malcolm Munroe 6-3 232 *Jr. 3 3
NG 98 BRANDON THOMPSON 6-2 310 Sr. 4 4 DE 92 JASON PETERS 6-4 270 *Sr. 4 4
43 Tyler Shatley 6-3 295 *So. 3 3 93 Emmanuel Dieke 6-6 264 *So. 3 3
DT 94 RENNIE MOORE 6-3 265 *Sr. 3 3 DT 96 LOGAN WALLS 6-2 299 *Sr. 3 3
99 DeShawn Williams 6-1 290 Fr. 3 3 90 T.J. Barnes 6-7 347 *Jr. 3 3
BE 40 ANDRE BRANCH 6-5 260 *Sr. 2 2 DE 94 IZAAN CROSS 6-4 292 Jr. 3 3
93 Corey Crawford 6-5 280 Fr. 4 4 99 Euclid Cummings 6-4 270 *So. 3 3
SLB 34 QUANDON CHRISTIAN 6-2 220 *So. 3 3 OLB 34 STEVEN SYLVESTER 6-2 238 Sr. 3 3
41 Daniel Andrews 5-11 205 Sr. 2 2 11 Brandon Watts 6-2 234 *So. 3 3
MLB 42 CORICO HAWKINS 5-11 230 Jr. 3 3 ILB 40 JULIAN BURNETT 5-10 220 Jr. 3 2
12 Stephone Anthony 6-3 235 Fr. 5 5 54 Quayshawn Nealy 6-1 220 *Fr. 3 3
33 Spencer Shuey 6-3 250 *So. 3 3 ILB 54 QUAYSHAWN NEALY 6-1 220 *Fr. 3 3
WLB 46 JONATHAN WILLARD 6-2 220 *Jr. 3 4 or 30 DANIEL DRUMMOND 6-3 248 *So. 3 3
8 Justin Parker 6-1 225 So. 3 4 58 B.J. Machen 6-1 232 *Jr. 3 3
CB 15 COTY SENSABAUGH 6-0 185 *Gr. 2 2 LCB 6 ROD SWEETING 6-0 184 Jr. 4 3
17 Bashaud Breeland 6-0 185 *Fr. 4 3 36 Jamal Golden 6-0 185 Fr. 2 3
SS 5 JONATHAN MEEKS 6-1 210 Jr. 4 4 LS 1 ISAIAH JOHNSON 6-2 205 So. 3 3
27 Robert Smith 5-11 210 Fr. 3 3 16 Corey Dennis 6-2 205 Fr. 2 3
FS 31 RASHARD HALL 6-1 210 J*Gr. 3 3 RS 28 RASHAAD REID 5-10 191 Sr. 3 2
32 Carlton Lewis 6-2 205 *Jr. 3 3 14 Jemea Thomas 5-10 190 *So. 3 3
CB 29 XAVIER BREWER 5-11 190 *Jr. 4 3 RCB 8 LOUIS YOUNG 6-1 201 So. 4 4
21 Darius Robinson 5-11 170 So. 3 4 35 Michael Peterson 5-11 190 *Sr. 2 3
14 Martin Jenkins 5-9 175 So. 3 3

 

 

Clemson Specialists Georgia Tech Specialists
Pos. # Player Hgt Wgt Cl. Scout Rivals Pos. # Player Hgt Wgt Cl. Scout Rivals
PK 39 CHANDLER CATANZARO 6-2 200 *So. NA NA PK 86 JUSTIN MOORE 5-10 171 So. 2 2
P 96 DAWSON ZIMMERMAN 6-2 205 Sr. 3 2 44 David Scully 6-2 201 *So. N/A N/A
KO 96 Dawson Zimmerman 6-2 205 *Sr. 3 2 P 82 SEAN POOLE 6-1 161 *So. N/A N/A
or 39 Chandler Catanzaro 6-2 200 *So. NA NA or 85 CHANDLER ANDERSON 6-0 180 *Sr. N/A N/A
LS (PK) 75 Michael Sobeski 6-2 195 *Fr. NA NA KO 44 David Scully 6-2 201 *So. N/A N/A
52 Phillip Fajgenbaum 6-0 220 *Fr. NA NA 86 Justin Moore 5-10 171 So. 2 2
LS (P) 52 Phillip Fajgenbaum 6-0 220 *Fr. NA NA LS 55 Sean Tobin 6-3 220 Fr. 2 2
75 Michael Sobeski 6-2 195 *Fr. NA NA H 82 Sean Poole 6-1 161 *So. N/A N/A
H 96 Dawson Zimmerman 6-2 205 *Sr. 3 2 PR 37 Zach Laskey 6-1 201 Fr. 2 2
PR 6 DeAndre Hopkins 6-1 200 So. 4 4 9 Tony Zenon 5-8 182 *Fr. 2 2
2 Sammy Watkins 6-1 200 Fr. 5 5 KOR 9 Tony Zenon 5-8 182 *Fr. 2 2
KOR 2 Sammy Watkins 6-1 200 Fr. 5 5 or 17 Orwin Smith 6-0 202 Jr. 2 3
18 Jaron Brown 5-10 190 *Jr. 3 3

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What kind of talent do we have red shirted on D this year?

Our Defense on paper is very underwhelming compared to our offense. This is not all that surprising considering the results on the field so far this year. How are we looking for people we have right now other than Blanks (jan. I think) and cortez davis?

by Rob Spence on Oct 25, 2011 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Not many on defense redshirted this year...

Byers (DE), Maybank (DT), Goodson (LB), & Davis (DB). Dodd (DT) went to prep school after failing to qualify.

Maybank needed to get in better shape, hence the RS. Lots of opportunity at DT next year, with 2 starting spots opening. Maybank played his Senior year of HS as an OG, so he maybe a project…

Goodson should get solid PT on Special Teams. Davis should get a lot of reps in the spring and fall to see where he’s at.

by greenvandal on Oct 25, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The talent we have is inexperienced

so its too early to call on these guys. You have a true soph and a RS freshman splitting major PT at CB. A new SS and a one-legged FS. The backups at safety are underwhelming to put it mildly, but they are also young so I won’t be harsh.

I’m not happy with our DT/DE recruiting over the last 2 cycles, but we got the big one we needed this year with Watkins.

by DrB on Oct 25, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was the legitimate knock against Paul Johnson

A lot of people claimed the Paul Johnson offense wouldn’t work at a BCS conference. I always thought that was crazy. If you can get the line to block well and a QB who knows what he’s doing, an option attack is a beautiful thing to watch. And I think it can still beffective in college football even if it has kind of gone out of style in recent years.

The legit question about Johnson, IMO, was whether he could recruit at an elite level. Recruiting at Navy and Georgia Southern just isn’t the same as in a BCS conference. And judging solely from sideline demeanor and his attitude in interviews (and I know that’s not a totally fair way to judge) I wonder if he’s got the personality for it. Like it or not, kids aren’t the same as they were 20 years ago.

Anyway, I guess time will tell, but if I were a Georgia Tech fan, I’d have some worries about the long term success of their recruiting. Go Tigers!

by Mike Lifsey on Oct 25, 2011 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

GT's option works at the FBS level, but not if the opponent has time to prepare or their defense out-talents you, in part because top recruits don't want to play in a (NFL-irrelevant) option offense.

PJ’s GT is 3-9 against FBS teams that had more than a consecutive week to prepare.
2008: 1-2. Beat UGA. Lost to UNC & spanked by LSU.
2009: 0-2. Lost to Miami & Iowa (GT’s 2 lowest yardage totals of the season.)
2010: 1-4. Beat suspension-decimated UNC. Lost to NCSU, VT, UGA, Air Force.
2011: 1-1. Beat NCSU (2 extra days). Lost to UVA (2 weeks. GT’s O scored only 2 TDs. D had a pick-6. 296 yds, 2nd lowest of season.)
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It is worth noting that last season in the 2nd game, a bad Kansas team beat GT after reportedly spending the last few weeks of the summer preparing for the option. And in 2008, a lowly Wake took GT into OT just 2 weeks after facing Navy’s option attack. Prep time matters, a LOT.

One problem with GT’s option offense is that GT can never schedule an FBS opponent in week 1, and they are unlikely to ever beat a decent FBS opponent in a bowl game.

by RazzMcTazz on Oct 25, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our O out-stars their D, and our D out-stars their O both by about 0.5 stars.

But that GT option game is a talent differential minimizer, so they will move the ball and put up points. But I think Clemson out scores them. And I think that Clemson’s 1.43 star advantage on special teams is going to be an important factor.

by RazzMcTazz on Oct 25, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Wofford runs the Triple

for around 20 plays a game I think, we also saw it a few times against MD. It’s just assignment football though. Having seen it will help, but how they prepare this week will be more important.

by PenthouseTiger on Oct 25, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought initially that it wouldnt, because the wingbone is different enough

but they did run the Veer and Counter option some in that game, and its a major part of GT’s system.

Hopefully we play better than last time at DE.

by DrB on Oct 25, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think discipline trumps talent when facing GT.

We are more talented, but if a talented guy does not play his assignment, then he can get burned just as badly as anyone else.

"Clemson is coming!" - Stephone Anthony

by Tigerplowboy on Oct 25, 2011 5:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

And its true for any offensive system you face.

Folks think assignment football is easier, but in fact all defense is assignment football.

Tech’s system adds misdirection the same as ours to confuse those key reads but they do it with backs, and we with receivers in a shotgun set.

Disciplined defense is disciplined defense, no matter what system they’re facing, if you play your assignment you’ll be a good defense.

by DrB on Oct 25, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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