Things to consider with this new offensive system
While most of you are stuck at home today, take a look at the Notre Dame vs Tulsa game on Hulu and the Hawaii vs Tulsa bowl game on youtube. I’ve watched several Tulsa games so far and ND is a particularly good example of the Tulsa running game. Hawaii is a better example of their passing offense and how they attack multiple levels. You will see things that make you think they are running a complex system, but in reality it is quite simple. There are only around 4 or 5 core running plays in the offense, and everything else is window dressing to make it look more complicated to the defense.
After viewing them, I would suggest that the fly sweep package is going to become a problem for our opponents, and I’d be willing to bet that Joe Craig and Mike Bellamy could really slice up some defenses with it. I also doubt that we’ll be giving the ball to Ellington all day. I think it is more likely we end up with a few 700 yard rushers than a 1000 yard rusher, and one may be a WR. Those of us screaming for them to feed Andre the ball will be disappointed.
There are various things about this kind of offense that require you to change your points of evaluation in its success and the success of the team this fall too:
- Teams that run such high-tempo offenses do not care at all about time of possession. It is an entirely meaningless statistic now (as if it wasn’t before). All they care about is the # of plays, which should go from the 60s to the mid 80s.
- Yards per play becomes a more important measure when you run this system.
- Fumbles will go up. Possibly way up. We’ve not been a big fumbling team but that perception can change quickly when you run this system.
- What frequently goes unmentioned is its affect on your defense. Your D now must get in better shape. They face this in practice for one, and so they practice less against pro-style offense each week. The offense may not run more than 0:45 off the clock in a 3 & out next season, so your D is going constantly back and forth to the field. This means that the unit of measuring defensive success has to change somewhat too. Yards per play becomes an important measure for them as well, because they could be on the field quite a bit more. Total yardage allowed will go up, as will points allowed.
We already expected to be worse on defense next year with the losses we’ll have, so with Clemson going to a high-tempo system, expect them to be worse than they would be otherwise. I already expected us to be in the 26-40th rank in total defense in 2011, and us going to this kind of offense only solidifies that belief.
When you think about that, consider whether Steele or any good coordinator will want to stay here for any length of time.
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So is it safe to say we will have to play more people on defense?
Seems running this offense would help recruiting because more plays on offense = more touches for everyone on offense, and the defensive guys will know that we will need all the quality depth we can get, so they should be able to get on the field.
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How about Taj Boyd ?
Is this a good fit for his skill set?
He will need to get in better shape.
And with the zone read I do not think its so much that he must be a running QB as it does him just being effective as a runner.
I am more worried about his knee holding up than his ability to run.
He can run this style as long as he is healthy.
As long as we are winning coordinators will want to come to Clemson.
You think Oregon’s or Auburn’s DCs want out because their defenses are put in bad positions? Its all about winning. When the going is good people will want to be there. When the going is bad people will leave.
The point is not that they will not come
its that they will not stick around. For a coach to go up in the world he has to get people to have the perception that his system is very good, and that comes down to PPG and yards allowed.
I’d wager that most people think Oregon’s defense is bad, because most people only look at statistics (see: the whole argument for Morris from some). In fact, I think Oregon’s defense is good but they are on the field within 2-3 minutes of game time because the offense scores so damn fast and as a result their stats are not as good as I think they would be otherwise.
Average fan won’t see that.
Good Read...
The reason I would probably never be for implementing the high octane spread system is that you wear out your defense at the same time. What’s the point of wearing a defense if your own gets worn out at the same time?
I enjoyed reading the Soloman article posted as well. I do like the single-wing characteristics of Malzahn/Morris’ version of the spread. However, the article failed to mention that “Genius” Mouse Davis was not even a winner in his 10 year window of influence. June Jones runs that same, I would call it “not ready for primetime,” offense now.
I think the answer to these three questions will decide if Morris’ offense is a winner:
1. Can we score TDs in the redzone at a high rate?
2. Can we impose our will in the 4th quarter with the game on the line where we might need to run a little clock and maintain possession?
3. Can we get a “big boy” win using this offense without having a College Football Hall of Fame QB like Vince Young, Tebow, or Cam Newton?
4. Is this the offense that gives us the best chance to beat FSU
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I don’t know anything about the Tulsa guy, but any hire would be good if Dabo doesn’t meddle or if Dabo agrees with the philosophy.
You have two great authors here and I trust them on all things Clemson.
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I would agree Bud. Two excellent authors here.
I think our teams need to figure out how to score on VT if we’re going to go where we want to go.
I am not at all worried about VT. Program peaked two years ago. Downslide coming.
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by Bud Elliott on Jan 11, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
A few thoughts on your post.
First, I would imagine that if your defense gets used to defending your offense in practice, and you obviously know that fatigue is an issue going into the season, then you can prepare accordingly. You do it every week, so you prepare for it all year, whereas other teams do it once a season, so they prepare for it for a week. I grant you that our depth might not be any better than anyone else’s, but if our guys do it every week, then that has to work to our advantage.
Second, I think the players who are running the system are just as, if not more, important than the system itself. Malzahn’s offense obviously looked a lot better with Cam Newton running it this year than it did with whoever they had last year, so it will be interesting to see what happens next year when Cam is gone to the NFL. The one thing that does worry me is that this system seems to work the best when the QB is a legit running threat, and what I have heard is that Boyd is more of a drop-back passer. He may be a capable runner, but Young, Tebow, and Newton are exceptional runners.
Third, during the few games I watched, Oregon’s way of imposing its will in the forth quarter was to keep scoring touchdowns as opposed to trying to run out the clock. That strategy seemed to work well for them.
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by Tigerplowboy on Jan 10, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I got a chance to see a couple of Tulsa games during the season and this week.
1) Tulsa uses a ton of motion, but motion with a purpose. Their motion is more than useful to identify coverages and look good on television. As Dr. B talked about, they run this jet sweep a good bit out off of this motion. They also use this motion to create mismatches via formation and numbers concentration.
2) Morris’ concept is very simple. He wants to be able to run a handful of plays well. To stay dynamic, he mixes and matches these plays with different formations, shifts, motion etc…The end goal is to get his strengths on their weaknesses AND create as many presnap advantages as he can while running base plays that the team should be able to run well.
3) If Clemson’s offense is anything like Tulsa’s/Auburn’s, it will be a run-first offense because the majority of the pass plays involve some sort of play action.
4) If you like conventional sets (anything pro), you won’t see much from Morris’ offense. everything is “gun” based (shotgun or pistol) with and generally alternates one and two back sets.
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average points per game
eliminating the presb game our points per game scored dropped ten points last year to about 21. Our defense averaged 18 pts/game. I would expect Morris to be worth an additional 10 points per game. I expect our defense may slide 6 points per game due to personel and an additional 3 due to system change. Tulsa averaged 40.4 pts/game on offense and 30.3 pts/game on defense in 2010. That was up from 29.3 and 27.3. Given that they were running a hurry up offense before, he may be able to raise us up to 35 or so pts/game. If he can do that…we will win a lot. If he can’t we will end up about where we were. If he exceeds 35, then it could be a really, really good year.
A couple thoughts
1) As others have said, at least there would be some offensive identity and base system to build on. Every system will have pros and cons.
2) I would think the tempo is ramped up and down as the game situation dictates to keep some pressure off the defense. However, no doubt it will be more taxing on the D and alter the stats as the post states.
3) On the flip side, if this offense works to generate explosive plays and points, it will force the opponent’s offense to become one-dimensional. Imagine how many sacks Bowers would have had if we ever had big leads this season.
I'd feel less nervous about the defense if we had DaQuan and Deandre back there to help stabilize it.
This will put a lot of pressure on Steele and co. I just hope they don’t crater under it.
I don’t know yet what to think about Morris, but he is intriguing. I’ll reserve judgment on him until I see how the offense works, and how the defense adjusts. Dabo is of course the wild card/monkey wrench that can unravel the whole thing.
Key to the defense, IMO, is CB/DL depth and LB improvement
Yes that is a lot, but I had a similar concern a few years back with Hamlin and Clemmons leaving and how they would adjust with untested safeties. Then came DeAndre and Rashard (the biggest suprise) and the secondary didn’t miss a beat. The Dline has a lot of depth departing and a lot of youth, but they also have Coach Brooks whose impact is as great as Harbison’s is for the secondary. The Dline was already good, but still improved when he got into the mix. Adding Hobby in place of Rumph keeps the DL from suffering another loss and may very well be a boost in the S&C from his time coaching in an up tempo like offense @ Duke & from what Dr. B and FF have said about his coaching ability.
But in the end you are only as stromg as your weakest link, and the linebackers are that link. Considering they weren’t like 2008 bad after losing Kavell (who I always saw as underated) they still were a liabilty. Steele did an excellent job in covering that up for the most part. Getting Townsend (we hope) helps but more is needed,. Even if we get two more targets for this year’s class, they will still be a year or two away from being atleast a good unit. Even if the targets were Steward and Anthony they still have to learn the scheme. The Dline and secondary may at least have the bodies that the lb core need.
Justin Parker has to be ready to play more of a a role. Q Chrisitoan needs to get stronger; Hawkins and Willard need to be more consistant. Maye just needs to stay healthy, get better in coverage and again take better angles (& that really applies to all of them).. Barnes, Gibson, Shatley and Thomas will be stepping in for Jenkins Bowers and Chavis, so that crutch of dominate and solid players won’t be up front to minimize their mistakes.next year
The point about the defense is valid
Easing my concern is that the ability to develop the depth (aside from it lacking from recruiting at the lb spot) by the coaches on that side of the ball,assuming there won’t be any more defections outside of Rumph. Considering they had as much pressure on them this year from the ineptness of the offense, an offense that can put up points is probably a more welcomed prospect that what they got handed to them all year (even against N Texas). If Morris is successful, atleast that would put pressure on other teams to respond and cause them to be more one dimensional. Having to hold every tem to under 14 points because your offense cannot take advantage of short fields and you literally can’t kick long extra points will wear a defense out as much as your offense scores often and fast. I’m sure some Auburn fans have accepted that trade off the last 2 years past when they saw final scores like 3-2 with an offense that may have been worst than ours.
But you’re right, when some fans focus on the stats, they will see what they perceive as a bad D and not keep the numbers within context. But as far as coaches go, hopefully they will notice Will Muschamp didn’t stop being a bad DC when Texas was lighting up the scoreboard in a fast pace Colt McCoy-led offense. They still were considered a good defense (Oklahoma the same as well under “the defensive guru” Bob Stoops with K Wilson and Bradford putting up video-game like numbers).
Remember too , Tulsa had a way worse defense
this past season than we will this coming season I suspect . Morris offense was still able to finish 10 – 3 overall with less talent . Less competition in their conference than ours too granted , but Tulsa did beat Houston and Notre Dame .
I feel ( hopeful ) that if Coach Steele stays he will find a way to adjust and condition the defense . Then if Morris has half the success Napier did , we should be a LOT better than this past season as a team , but I do expect our defense to struggle a bit . The Morris offense avg. 41 points per game , and avg. 505 total ypg . Thats nice numbers . Boyd will have to really step it up for the offense to have success , and Dabo needs to stay out of Chads way .
Tulsa was great inside the red zone also , where we stunk it up all season . Our receivers just HAVE TO CATCH THE BALL next season , and I think Ellington and Bellamy may shine at RB .
All that said , if our offense can put up typical Chad Morris numbers , and our defense is a bit better than half ass we may be fine next season .
Excellent point about the defense. That is the biggest reason why we should not be a spread
You absolutely cannot have a “tough, physical” defense when they practice against the finesse spread passing attack week in and week out. Just wont happen. So everybody clamoring for the spread, be careful of what you wish for. Case in point, the two years Malzahn has been at Auburn, their defense has been less than stellar. Obviously some of that is personnel, but its mostly from going against that offense in practice. You certainly cant say its coaching, Chizik is one of the most respected defensive minds out there.
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especially given the end result of year #2… a National Championship title!
by FadedOrange on Jan 11, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
More to do with the qb than anything else
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I did not think about goal line offense too much until last nights BCSCG.
Personally, I am a little reserved about using a direct snap deep in the opponent’s territory.
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Yes FF!
Funny enough, in the postgame, Saban kind of let Urban Meyer have a piece of his mind on the spread’s redzone issues. Meyer said that you have to go single-wing and give it to a guy like Tebow. But, what if you don’t have a guy like Tebow ? Well, I guess we saw that this year.
Speaking of that, as Dr. B said, Oregon’s front 7, especially their LBs and DEs are the real deal… as was Auburn’s. Which brings me back to what I posted on your “Alabama” post and above.
Florida’s D held Oklahoma’s 2008 offense to like 14 points. Auburn’s D held Oregon to 19. On the highest level of football, a loaded front 7 has repeatedly beaten these offenses that score 60 on mediocre teams. Not saying those offenses aren’t any good, just pointing out how much more vital a loaded front 7 is to highest level success.
I’m not trying to be a “know it all,” just pointing out factual observation over many years. I just want Clemson to play “big boy” football again in my lifetime.
It really doesnt matter what offense or defense you run, the front 7 are always the most
critical players on the field. If you dominate up front you can pretty much run whatever type of scheme you want and be successful. The difference last night was Fairley and the rest of the Auburn defensive line. One thing that we definitely understand here at STS is that football games are won by the defenses and defensive play is dictated by success up front. We also believe that if a team can run on you, you are screwed which further emphasizes the need for excellent play from the box. All this being said, we are on the same page with you and understand how critical the defensive front is in football (at all levels).
In 2010, Clemson had a “Big Boy” defensive line but our offense and special teams were such a liability that not even such a good group could overcome this deficit (Dr. B and I openly discussed whether Clemson would be better off simply punting on 1st down or allowing the offense to commit more damage than good).
I personally like lining up and pounding the ball on offense. I am concerned about short yardage situations out of the gun and obviously cannot predict what will happen. It is pretty obvious that Dabo does not want a pro style offense.
You probably did hear, though, Myer’s analysis of Auburn last night and his statement that the auburn offense is really the I with players spread out. The key, that you have already hit on with Auburn, is Cam Newton. He provides the rushing and bruising threat with his size and athletic ability.
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Yes I did hear that.
And we did see power out of them. I think the key with Cam last night was that he was able to convert 3rd and 1 or 2 on a few of their drives. Obviously, this component was huge with Tebow as well.
Danny’s offense in the 80s was heavily criticized by fans and media members for its simplicity but, the one stat that stood out for me is that Tracy Johnson was like 42 of 42 in 3rd and 4th and 1 situations in his career. They knew it was coming and they couldn’t stop it. You can call it toughness, pride, or execution but, we need that back at Clemson.
I do believe in having a potent offense that can create big plays. I do believe in the concept that you have to challenge all areas of the field and you have to throw downfield. However, like you said, in the end, it almost always comes down to who wants that yard bad enough up front.
Can Morris compete in the big leagues... and do so with Clemson's QBs?
Tulsa was fun to watch last season, but the average total-D ranking for Tulsa’s opponents was 82nd in the nation, whereas Clemson’s opponents averaged 38th in total-D. Tulsa only scored 18 points in a loss to the highest ranked defense that they played— 40th-ranked SMU. And Oklahoma State’s 88th ranked defense pretty much shut down Tulsa until the score was so lopsided (58-7) that OKSt was able to play their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th stringer defensive guys.
I hope Morris translates his minor-league success to the big-leagues like Gus Malzahn, not like Rob Spence. It’s a big risk… just like the Dabo promotion and Napier promotion.
Does Clemson have a QB capable of running Morris’s offense, like GJ Kinne did? Kinne had 31 TDs to 10 INTs with a passer rating of 144.33 (though his passer rating was only 95.69 against SMU & 110.87 against OKSt). Kinne rushed 158 times for 561 yards (3.6 YPC). Does Clemson have a QB with that kind of smarts, poise, arm-strength, accuracy, and running ability? Is it necessary?
It may all be moot. Inside sources say that Morris is getting the Tulsa job.
Looks like dabo should have interviewed more candidates. Now you know he’s just going to jump on his second and only interviewee, Fuente.
Will Fuente want to come?
Could you imagine if Dabo has to call Ralph back?
Morris
He still says he can’t wait to get to Clemson. I wonder it that will change when Tulsa waves the cash in his face.
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by AugustaTigerFan on Jan 12, 2011 8:27 AM EST reply actions
A counter point on defense
Moving to a high octane offense definately does put pressure on the defense, but I’m thinking that these effects are minimized on an attacking vs a bending but don’t break defense.
1. If you can get 3 and outs, your offense can still be on the field more.
2. If you are scoring points on offense, and your defense can hold up for a few series (which is entirely reasonable to expect IMHO). Then the opposition is in a position where THEY have to play catch up ball and are forced to pass a bunch. THEN the defense gets to pin their ears back and attack even more.
So while I agree that KS’s job certainly didn’t get any easier, it’s not undoable either.
I agree with this.
I’m just concerned with that holding up for a few series part with a bunch of new parts of D next year.
At any rate, I MUCH prefer an attack dog mentality on D. It will also contribute to the desperation of the opposition. If they know you are likely to get a bunch of points on offense, then they will come out swinging, taking chances and shots downfield and trick plays and such. Just beware that they could also pull a Danny Ford and try to shove the ball down your throat for 3 yards and a cloud of dust. If they see that working, that’s what they will do all game. So long as we give them no room to do so and turn those into 3 and outs. we will then see the desperation mode and our turnover and sack chances will go way up.
Next season, with all the changes, it could be feast or famine with 40-21 games followed by 14-13 games.

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