Jack Leggett Should Resign
Its time for Jack to leave.
The head coach is responsible for everything in the program. He is ultimately responsible for recruiting talent, gauging his team's psyche in clutch situations, the on-field performance (hitting, pitching, defense), hiring assistants, and the in-game decisions.
The question is, are you a person who is satisfied with 40-win seasons and a CWS appearance every 2-3 years, or are you someone who wants Clemson to be the best?
If you're the former, you were probably also happy with 8 wins a year and a bowl game, and that Bowden was "a good christian man" and graduated his players.
I'm not one of those people. While I don't expect Clemson football to be in contention for a national title every year, I do expect 10 wins a year to be achievable at the onset of every season (barring a early NFL draft loss or critical injury of course). I don't put up with just being in the NCAA basketball tournament either. I want to win A game when we get there.
And I'm not putting up with Jack Leggett's inability to win in Omaha. Clemson baseball is a better program historically than the other two, and it seems people are just more accepting of his losses because they don't care about college baseball. Those who don't care just look at his record and see us in the CWS and say "well ok, who are we going to get that is better?" This is a nonsensical question, who wouldn't want to be at Clemson besides someone who has won a title at their program or is in a good position financially with AD resources? Clemson baseball is not like Duke football folks, we're an elite program and can go after the big fish. The only worrisome problem in this is who TDP would hire for the job, probably a cheap no-name coach from Alaska, when he wakes up from his nap.
I'm not calling for Jackson Leggett to be fired, he's a good coach. I'm not going to fire a coach that has won 40+ in all but three seasons in 17 years. He has kept Clemson baseball at a reasonably high level since taking over for Coach Bill Wilhelm. If you go by the number of CWS appearances we're better now than with Wilhelm, but college baseball is also very different now. The problem is that he's not going to get us to a national championship, and that is what we play baseball for. Since its readily apparent that Jack Leggett is not going to win the key games in Omaha, I think he should resign.
Our program is on the way down. We are not at the level we were in the 90s and early 2000s. The talent on campus is not what it was. Jack's very best seasons after taking over from Wilhelm were with his recruits, and the momentum from that carryover, and he brought in a very good staff of John Pawlowski (now at Auburn) and Tim Corbin (now at Vandy) during the 90s who could help coach players up and teach them how to pitch. We won 50 games in each of his first 3 years on the job, and only 3 times since. His staff has been a source of fortune and stress since he's been here.
He made a good hire with Kevin O'Sullivan as pitching coach and recruiter when John Pawlowski left in 1999. O'Sullivan got into the habit of going for guys who we knew would get drafted and most of his best signees went to MLB before enrolling, further diluting the talent here. MLB drafting is not something you can control as a head coach, but everyone is affected by it, not just Clemson, so Jack is still responsible for the talent brought in. Kevin O left for Florida's head job in 2008 and Jack brought in Kyle Bunn. Bunn was a notch below Kevin in terms of coaching and recruiting, in my opinion, but he wasn't bad. Not many are on par with Kevin O'Sullivan in recruiting. His first bad hire was bringing in Tom Riginos as hitting coach (in 2003 to replace Corbin) and recruiting coordinator (since Sully left), who really hasn't brought anything to the table in recruiting since then and judging by this team's performance at the plate in clutch situations and particularly against SC, should be fired immediately. Since Bunn left for more cash at Alabama, we brought in Dan Pepicelli, a D-III coach with no record developing anyone that I'd heard of, as our pitching coach and I see no results this season to show me that he knows what he's doing.
I'm not one of those people who follows baseball only in the postseason either. Everyone can click the "Clemson baseball" link in the sidebar and find out about that. Clemson hitters learned some good patience at the plate this year, but in key situations they still go dead-red pull. I don't see guys choking up on the bat in pitcher's counts. I don't see them able to put a bunt down in key situations (though i dislike bunting with aluminum). I don't see them working pitches from a guy who is cutting them down. Can anyone tell me that a single hitter in the 5-1 loss last week had a good approach at the plate and succeeded? You would think that at least one or two, maybe Parker or Hinson, would have one. I saw none. The only thing I saw our 1st round pick do since May was bail out and pull every pitch. I saw a UCLA pitcher cutting up TCU's bats last week, and their hitting coach walked out on the field during an AB and chastised his player. I wonder did Riginos do so during the SC game?
As for Pepicelli, he's had one year as pitching coach, and like Jeff Scott, I will not call for a head after one season on the job. This team's pitching talent is not much to work with aside from (arguably) 5 guys, but the team ERA (the major indicator) is still on his head either way it goes. If it doesnt improve next season, he should go.
It also isn't that I don't give credit for this team making it further than it was supposed to go. I did not think we were Super Regional caliber earlier this season unless we got a great matchup. The thought nags at me that the team is better than most 20+ loss teams though, and if some problems were fixed and we beat the teams we were supposed to beat handily, then this postseason wouldn't be viewed as an overachievement. We played very well against Virginia and lost the series. Thats a better team. We were swept in Atlanta, when we were playing our worst ball. Sweeping FSU was an overachievement I think. Handing it to Auburn at their house was an overachievement I think. We beat an Alabama team with almost the same record as our own. We shut down the #1 national seed, which was an overachievement. My major complaints about the team at midseason were: A). the clutch hitting (Riginos) with RISP B). inconsistency on the mound, and C). the defense (Leggett is the infield coach). Lets look at each and think about whether we really overachieved to just get to the CWS.
A lack of clutch hitting is caused by poor approach at the plate, and/or simply being too tense and trying too hard. This has been a common problem with a Leggett squad. You can see it in their at-bats. Most hitters default to pulling the ball. You can see their tension in how they make mistakes at the worst possible times on the field (see Miller's-Bill Buckner moment). It was their biggest fault in 2009, with a younger team. Its why they couldn't beat the teams they were supposed to beat all season in 2009, and it crept up at times this season. The rest I went into above.
The pitching faults have to lie squarely on the talent on the mound and Pepicelli. We shut down two solid-hitting teams in ACC play to start off the season (VT and NCSU). The teams we lost to this year, the ones that really beat up Clemson pitching on weekends, were not great hitting squads (aside from GT). Duke, who sucks, shelled our starters and the bullpen. WAKE FOREST, the 2nd WORST team in the ACC, beat us because we couldnt hit, pitch, or play defense at their place. UNC was barely hanging onto NCAA hopes by a thread until taking 2 of 3 against us at home, by pounding our starters in 2 of the games and taking advantage of defensive mistakes. I don't even need to enumerate the losses to inferior teams in midweek play.
As for the D, you do realize Clemson gave up 59 UNearned runs this year? If we had cut that in half, a more reasonable figure, do you not think this team would be over 50 wins? Not every game is 11-4 folks. I can think of at least 3 games that Brad Miller lost us on defense this year. He won us another 3 at the plate, but he could've done that at DH instead of Chris Epps walking up and striking out. Not all defensive mistakes show up as errors either, such as the first game against Georgia Tech. Clemson entered the CWS ranked 135th in defense with 95 errors (its now 100). Take Miller's 32 errors off and you've got a team just outside of the Top 25 in defense. Cut his number in half, to a more reasonable figure of 16 for a SS, and youre around 70th in defense.
Who is in charge of the infield? Who coaches defense? Jack. Who decided to leave Brad Miller at SS despite an outrageous 32 errors? Miller was BAD last season at short, yet he was WORSE this year. If you say there was no one behind him with range to play short or who may be worse (Stolz, Hinson), then you put the onus on his recruitment at the position. Either way he's responsible.
How does this affect your perception that this team overachieved in the NCAA tournament?
Who here can honestly tell me that Jack will not always be remembered for 2002 and 2010? 17 years of successful baseball and 6 CWS appearances mean absolutely nothing to us if you can't get into the national championship series by defeating the Gamecocks. It is unacceptable.
The only thing that he can do to erase those two memories from our minds is to win a CWS. I knew before the elimination game Saturday that we would lose, and I wager many of you felt the same after seeing our hitters at the plate against a junkballer Friday. I know Jack won't win a CWS for Clemson. He's good but his teams tighten up, he said so himself during the 5-1 loss last week. A team takes on the persona of their coach, and Jack's is to get tense and press when the pressure is up. He could win 50 games next year (and should) yet we won't win a CWS because he can't do it.
And thats why I think Jack should just leave. Maybe he can win his CWS, but it won't be here.
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Are you freakin’ kidding me? Come on man! I’ve got some serious questions about JL’s decisions in-game and his recruiting tactics as well, but what do you want? Personally, I was surprised to get out of Auburn with the team we fielded this year. We had a hell of a run and definately overachieved this year. This coach got us to the ‘final four’ of baseball. I wanted to win too, but calling for his resignation is just plain crazy.
He specifically addressed your angle within the article.
Did you even read it?
You know who is responsible for “the team we field this year”? Jack Leggett.
I would be fine with him leaving, but I know that Terry Don will get us a much worse replacement. In this case, we’re stuck until that worthless fuckhead finally resigns from the AD.
by OrangeBritches on Jun 30, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Would it be different had we lost to someone other than USC? I think so.
One one hand, you have to get to Omaha in order to win the College World Series, and Jack has us there on a fairly regular basis. Sure we lost some games during the season that were ugly, but we were also a win away from playing for the National title.
On the other hand, Jack may have the Bobby Cox syndrome, in that we are consistently good enough to be in contention, but consistently not good enough to win it all. I agree we should not be satisfied with anything less than being the best, but am not sure that letting Jack go is the answer. Also, I doubt TDP would find a better replacement, even though Dabo and Brownell seem to be pretty good hires.
There is something in these Hills!
TDV went on the cheap twice
instead of a name that would sell tickets off the bat. He’d likely hire an American Legion coach for the baseball team.
No doubt. You or I have just as good a chance of landing a coaching job at Clemson provided you don’t ask for too much to begin with. There is plenty of time to get more cash and a huge contract extension with no results down the road.
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But....
Jack can do 27 pull-ups. That has to be worth something? How many pull-ups can Ray Tanner do? Plus, we have the cleanest uniforms.
Very similar to the feelings of FSU fans
What we have is the Bobby Bowden situation on steroids. We have arrived at the same conclusion as you, that our coach will not win us a national championship. But, as was the case with football, we have an old boy network firmly entrenched through just enough success to keep it around. Couple that with an interest in baseball that is dwarfed in comparison to that of football, and your head coach is hiring gym teachers to coach pitchers and serve as recruiting coordinator. It is SO hard to bring about change in college baseball, especially in top tier programs failing to achieve elite results.
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I dont want Clemson to be there with FSU and Martin
an old coach theres no hope of removing and 20+ CWS appearances and chokes. It looks to me that we’re on that route.
Who would you rather have?
Danny Hall or Jack Leggett?
I agree
that Jack made some questionable calls and decisions through out this season, but I think asking for his head maybe a bit rushed at this point. You make the point he is responsible for the team he puts on the field and we are in a consensus that we had no where near the talent of the other 7 teams in Omaha. But lacking the talent we made a deep run and choked when it counted. Something must be said about JL’s coaching that he could take an average team and take them 1 win away from a NC series against the best teams in the country. I am not advocating for JL because I do have some issues with the way he does things, but I just do not have faith in TDP that he will hire someone for the job because he is looking to save a dime. Just look at the Pepicelli hire.
I would also like to see
Jack break his love affair with the NE states and start recruiting heavier in the south. Clemson has 5 kids on their roster from NE and one from Illinois. That is equal to the number of kids from SC. In comparison, USC has 20 rostered players from SC. In baseball recruiting there are 3 hotbeds of talent. California, Texas and the South East. Clemson has a well of talent in the upstate and in the Greenville/Greer area alone in Greenville Greer and Riverside high schools. I would like to see JL become a bigger presence in the upstate and in the state alone on the recruiting trail.
by Clemson Caniac on Jun 30, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Recruiting the North
Yeah, Harman, Weismann, Leone, and Frederick all from the North are just horrible. If Harman stays we’re going to have one of the top rotations in the country next year.
I am not saying they are not good players. they were the 4 most reliable pitchers we had but I would like to see Jack recruit more in the state and in the region. For SC to have 2 elite college baseball programs Clemson needs to reap in some of the states talent instead of letting USC grab most of it.
by Clemson Caniac on Jun 30, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think anyone has a problem with any specific NE player
being on the team. I believe Clemson should recruit nationally, and get the best players they can regardless of their location, but there is an intense wealth of talent just down the road in Atlanta that we don’t even touch. There is talent within our own state that we don’t tap for some reason.
It just seems, on the surface, that when Leggett is presented with two players of equal ability, that he’ll pick the guy from CT rather than SC. That just handcuffs him with the OOS tuition because baseball players don’t get full schollys too often.
You make some good points.
The bottom line is that the two losses to USC last week may be the two most painfull losses we have ever endured in the history of the rivalry, because we were knocked out of the CWS, and USC went on to win a national title. AND, we only had to win one of the games, and basically just choked when all the chips were on the table. Right now, Jack is 0-4 against USC in the college world series with a trip to the Championship on the line, and it is really hard to get past that number.
There is something in these Hills!
by Tigerplowboy on Jun 30, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Clemson baseball.
will not reach the top until the administration gives Jack everything that USC gives Ray Tanner. Until USC won the title this year, Jack had a better resume that Ray with half the support from his AD. USC is allowed MUCH more leeway getting kids in school and then once they are committed, they put together FAR better financial packages.
Jack is left to recruit rich out of state kids who can afford to pay our high OOS tuition.
Jack certainly has his issues but he has done more with less than most coaches out there. It ain’t like Corbin or O’Sullivan have done more.
I wish you would elaborate on how Jack is short-handed.
Not that I am disagreeing with you, but I would like to know exactly how USC has a recruiting advantage over us.
There is something in these Hills!
by Tigerplowboy on Jun 30, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Courses to put athletes in, cash flow to the program
I heard a rumor that they made Leggett sell back the baseballs he bought recently. I know they wouldnt budge on a car for Kyle Bunn to recruit with, and they balked when Jack asked for a new radar gun. Penny pinching.
Of course Clemson baseball still loses $500K per season for each of the last 3 years.
Carolina stole away one of their assistants from UNC, the best recruiter, when UNC was his alma mater with a bucket of cash, yet we’re stuck going for D3 coaches who havent done anything.
And with the Top 20 initiative, Clemson has axed a bunch of those majors that we used to stick our athletes into. PRTM seems to be the only one left.
So if USC is spending more money on baseball than Clemson, then are they also losing more money?
TDP, Katie Hill, and Barker all need to go and be placed with someone who gives a dern about our athletic programs.
There is something in these Hills!
I would have to check the amount they lose but yes
they are losing money. Most places lose money.
by DrB on Jul 1, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Holbrook
UNC was cheap on him. We have a lot of cash but they only spend it on basketball and Olympic sports. The damn board of trustees and Dick Bad-Odor fight tooth and nail to get football and baseball stuff done on the cheap. Butch Davis, like Mack Brown, is loosening up the purse strings and our Rams Club had to handle the Boshamer rebuild.
As for athlete majors, that is absolutely tough if they cut some out.
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by InTheBleachers on Jul 6, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Katie Hill and TDP handcuff us, but Barker is the one taking the surplus away from the CUAD.
THANK YOU!!!
Thank god someone else sees it. I actually sent nearly an identical email to TDP and to Bert Henderson in 2006 bringing up all of this. And the fact that the EXACT same could be said for Larry Penley and Tommy Bowden (who was there at the time) for which I had many examples of their failures and very few of their successes. Our school has a cancer running through its entire athletic program. All we do is get up to fall big time. Everyone underachieves. We are always the upset and never the upsetters. Our coaches breed nervousness and failure when the money is on the line. We recruit unbelievably well in football, baseball, and golf for a small school that has never won anything in the modern era (excluding golf in 2003 – 1981 football is a far cry from “modern” compared to the college game now). Yet all those recruits come in, get worse, and leave with nothing to show for their five years of hard work. Enough is enough. I’m glad we finally got rid of Bowden. It’s time for the other 2 to follow suit.
The firing of Tommy
would be equivalent to me as the firing of JL…huge boosts for GT in the athletic arena. I don’t see Dabo beating CPJ in the next couple years and if JL gets kicked out after taking Clemson to the CWS, I can’t imagine an intelligent man who’d take the Clemson job. On the other hand, a JL termination would definitely put pressure on Danny.
I write stuff From the Rumble Seat.
Nah
Hall would outrecruit the next coach like he does JL, and yet still blow it in the tournament every year.
I'm talking
merely head to head. The tournament is another story.
I write stuff From the Rumble Seat.
I think it's worth noting that there were some Carolina fans that felt similarly about Tanner after last season.
And look what another year brought. Winning the CWS is a tricky thing; you really have to be hitting fifth gear hard at the right time, and you have to get good matchups. However, I’m thinking that a guy that gets you there often will eventually bring home the trophy. Just my .02.
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You are right that you have to get to Omaha in order to win it.
Then, like you say, you have to get hot at the right time. Bottom line, though, is that JL is 0-4 against USC in the CWS in games where if he wins, he goes to the championship.
There is something in these Hills!
Thats not on Legget
thats on the players from USC… they just obviously have wanted it more. After all Baseball is our sport.
Game preparation is a coach’s responsibility. If USC’s players “wanted it more”, then the head coach failed to prepare his team to beat his opponent.
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or
your players can play with a little somethin I like to call HEART… which is something a coach cannot give his players in a speech.
Mike Martin agrees with you
In all seriousness, everything you stated is true. However, sometimes it has to be recognized that there are flaws within an organization that make achieving that level of success unlikely without a change. Florida State is in this position. Is Clemson? I don’t know. I do know that CU should do everything in its power to steer clear of the debacle currently taking place in Tallahassee.
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I for one
do not see how that is… idk how you can put 2 teams ahead of yall that didnt even make it to the CWS. But it sure looks good having South Carolina at #1
HA! Nice Joke.
Really If Jack left who’s the better coach to replace him. Since the baseball program is the ONLY program at Clemson that is continuously winning and making strides to be better, I think Jack needs to be retained. Yes would I like to see better hitting i certain situations, but I would also like to see the football team put together 2 or 3 competitive seasons and compete just for a BCS bowl game. Before you go spewing about how its the coaches responsibility and hes the problem of the program, look at the university itself. Clemson the University has positioned itself to become a 2nd tier program in all or most of the main athletic programs, not the coaches.
That is not up for debate
its accepted that Jim Barker does not want our programs to succeed.
But the head coach is still responsible for the programs problems.
by DrB on Jul 6, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions

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