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Clemson Tigers at Wake Forest Demon Deacons, Mar 7, 2010 6:00 PM EST


Clemson Tigers (21-8, 9-6) @ Wake Forest Demon Deacons (18-9, 7-8)

When: 6PM, FSS

RPI: CU 25, WF 35

KenPom: Clemson 15, Wake Forest 43

Leading scorers: F Al-Farouq Aminu (15.8ppg, 10.7 rpg), G Ishmael Smith (13.2ppg, 6apg, 4.7rpg), C.J. Harris (9.9ppg)

With a win Clemson clinches a #3 seed in the ACC Tournament and a first round bye, while Wake needs a win just to make the NCAA Tournament. Clemson has not won at Wake since 1990, 17 straight. Clemson is 5-5 on the road, and Wake is 12-2 at home this year.

Clemson is peaking since the 3-game homestand turned us around, with wins in 6 of our last 8, and hopefully it can keep going. Last year we lost 7 of the last 11 when the defense fell apart.

A year ago, Purnell and the Tigers were answering too many questions about what was wrong. After a 16-0 start lifted Clemson into the Top 10, it stumbled greatly down the stretch losing five of its final six, including first-round exits in the ACC and NCAA tournaments.

In 2007, the Tigers were the last unbeaten team in Division I last unbeaten team at 17-0, then dropped nine of its next 11 and fell into the NIT. A year earlier, they went 11-0, then lost 10 of their next 13.

Purnell says those slipups get too much attention and have nothing to do with this year's team, which he thinks compares more favorably to his 2008 crew that advanced to the ACC tournament finals before losing to North Carolina.

"If you count this year, two of the last three we've played like this despite what you read sometimes," Purnell said. "Hopefully, this team can get to the ACC championship game.

"We understand that it is a marathon and that sometimes, it can chew you up mentally," he continued. "We've survived. That's one reason I'm proud of these guys."

But what we faced last year and haven't this year is a slate of tough Guards. The ACC doesn't have the extremely-good guards this year. Toney Douglas is gone, Teague is gone, Ellington is gone. Lewis Clinch tore us up. Vasquez is clearly the best in the ACC this year and we did handle him well, but Scheyer and Delaney we didnt handle so well. The defense is better for sure, but I still think teams with good Guards are going to mess us up.

Ish Smith is a good point guard and we need to be able to press him.

Wake has lost 4 in a row now to VT, NC, NCSU and FSU. Only one of those was a home, UNC 77-68 where they shot just 29.7%. They had won 4 straight coming into this losing streak.

One thing that has killed WF has been their FT shooting, which is just as awful as Clemson, but the last 4 games have really gone down for them from the line. As you might expect from that, they arent a great 3-pt shooting squad. While they didnt turn the ball over much in 2 of those 4 losses, against FSU and NC State they turned it over 20 times or more. They're averaging around 15 TOs per game and havent forced more than 15 but once in the last 7 games.

Where Wake would give us big problems is inside, just like GT, and with their defense. Its not a good offensive squad, only 98th in offensive efficiency by Kenpom. Aminu is a very good player and Booker will have problems with him tonight, though FSU's interior size handled him quite well, holding him scoreless. Their defense is ranked 19th nationally, #1 in eFG defense.

 

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Note to worst game coach in America

STOP TRYING TO PRESS ISH SMITH !!!

unless you want Wake to shoot nothing but layups for the rest of the game

by sedge94 on Mar 7, 2010 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

This has been an ugly 5 minutes

This team just falls asleep..no effort and no engery for really long stretches

by sedge94 on Mar 7, 2010 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

random thoughts

A – thank god they are having major Turnover issues
B – we aren’t stupid enough to try to press the entire game
C – Booker is sleepwalking
D – the worst thing we could do is get out to a big lead.. only to then relax and blow the lead

We just have to keep hanging in there.. hope to run better offense and hope booker decides to show up

by sedge94 on Mar 7, 2010 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

Are we too harsh on Booker?

I can see writing an article on his career in a few weeks, and i won’t be gushing like the other sportswriters are.

by DrB on Mar 7, 2010 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

no.. not to hard

his effort this season.. has been awful.. this is “HIS” team.. and if he’s trying to lead by example… he’s failing miserably.

i swear.. he has to get dunk or a big block early to get him going… otherwise he just stands around

by sedge94 on Mar 7, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s our most talented player by far, but doesn’t always play like it. Everyone has bad games occasionally, but I think it’s fair to criticize his inconsistent effort.

by ggggmen08 on Mar 7, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Our transition defense has been bad.

That’s where Wake is getting most of their points.

by ggggmen08 on Mar 7, 2010 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

Hm... any wonder why we haven't won at Wake since 1990

lack of effort……. we make a few plays.. get fired up for 2 minutes.. and then it vanishes

by sedge94 on Mar 7, 2010 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

booker is a lazy piece of shit

yes.. he’s not getting calls.. but then he doesn’t keep playing when he doesnt get the call

yes.. he’s not getting calls.. but then he doesn’t keep playing when he doesnt get the callhe quits

by sedge94 on Mar 7, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

We deserve to lose

Book sucks
We can’t make Free Throws
Turn it over too much
Get killed on the glass

Wake is just a very touch matchup for us.

Hopefully.. we take care of buseinss vs NC st on thurs.. and then get FSU on Friday

by sedge94 on Mar 7, 2010 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

FSU cant play offense

Clemson cant do shit and cant count on Booker. We press too long and at the wrong times.

VT played a patsy ACC slate, overrated.

Maryland and Duke are the only teams I’d count on winning in the first round.

by DrB on Mar 7, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Hm...

Clemson – will lose 1st round as about an 8 seed because OP sucks
Duke – will get a #1 seed and clearly win a couple of games
Maryland – likely to get a 4 seed right now.. possible sweet 16 team
FSU – likely 7-8 seed.. nba size.. playing a 9 or a 10.. can easily win with their def
Wake – again.. NBA size.. probably 8-9 seed. but again.. nba size.. great rebounding.. wouldnt count them out in 1st round
va tech – probably 10-11 seed, but should be in.. if delaney is hot.. they can beat anyone
ga tech – if they can squeak in.. this is a team that beat duke and has Lawal and Favors.. they could pull a 1st round upset

by sedge94 on Mar 7, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

So which 3 are likely Sweet 16?

I think you just made my argument that 3 teams will not make the Sweet 16.

And I agree that some of these teams have NBA talent. But they also have horrendous coaching that doesn’t take advantage of their size and athleticism. I’ve seen what FSU, Wake, and Ga Tech have as far as talent. I agree they are talented teams. But they haven’t played to their potential all year, so why would they magically start playing back in the NCAAT?

by ggggmen08 on Mar 7, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

What you said was....

The acc will embarass itself in the big dance. I could not disagree more.

No one is saying this a a banner year for the conference. We dont have 3 top 10 teams.. we have a bunch of pretty good teams. All those teams have beaten up on each other for the last 2 months.

No one is saying that the ACC will come out and have 2 teams in the Final 4 and dominate other conferences… it’s not that kind of year. But.. given that there are 7 very competitve teams.. based on matchups and upsets.. this conference could easily get 3 in the sweet 16.. and for this season… that would be pretty great..i dont think anyone would talk about what a terrible performance the conference put up doing that.

by sedge94 on Mar 8, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I think my problem with what you are saying is

“this conference could easily get 3 in the sweet 16”.

It is much more likely that the ACC goes 2-4 in the opening round games than it is that 3 teams make it to the Sweet 16.

Maryland got beat up by Cincy, Wisconsin, and William & Mary in their out of conference schedule. They didn’t start looking good until they got to play a bunch of bad ACC teams. Maryland is not that good of a team. They play well at home, which they won’t get to do in the tournament. You are severely over-hyping Maryland.

FSU, Clemson, Wake, and Va Tech are all very average. I would not call any of them pretty good teams. Given their likely seeds in the tournament, it would be a complete surprise if any of them made it to the sweet 16.

I agree that the quality of basketball across the board is down this year. But I would still count on teams like Oklahoma St, Texas, Baylor, Marquette, Louisville, Georgetown (the teams that you said would likely be 1st round opponents) beating anyone of FSU, Clemson Wake, and VT in their 1st round matchups.

We will find out in a week and a half. But I would be SHOCKED if 3 ACC teams made it to the Sweet 16. I think 1 is much more likely.

by ggggmen08 on Mar 8, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

you asked....

This is the weakest field of NCAA tourney teams…. EVER

Teams will be in the field of 65 that would not have sniffed the bubble for the last 10 years.

the overall quality is very very poor. If you just watch a lot of ACC games.. i can see how you think.. oh my god.. the aCC sucks..

but.. the ACC is quite a few solid teams.. just not a lot of great teams..

by sedge94 on Mar 7, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I watch a lot of college basketball

Not just the ACC. The ACC will be outmatched by other teams fundamentals and coaching. Wake, FSU, Clemson all have turnover issues and have trouble scoring in half court sets.

Maryland got their butts kicked out of conference. They didn’t start looking good until they got to play a bunch of patsies in the ACC.

Duke will win a couple of games, but when they play a team with athletic guards they will be in trouble.

by ggggmen08 on Mar 7, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The ACC has played some UGLY basketball all year long.

They lost the Big 10 in the challenge, and the Big 10 is not good at all.

by ggggmen08 on Mar 7, 2010 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

#s dont lie

RPI rankings
Duke #2
Maryland #17
Clemson #24
FSU #32
Wake #34
Tech #44
Va tech #49

All 7 likely tourney teams are in the top 50.

Big 10 – will get 4 teams in
SEC – likely to get 4 teams in
Pac 10 – will get 1 team in.. maybe 2

Big east and Big 12 are solid.. but the bottoms of those conferences are extremely beatable.. and that’s who we’d likely play in the first round.

Now.. i think acc is likely to have 2-3 sweet 16 teams.. not like 5 or anything.. but dont knock the conference quite yet.. there are teams in this tourney… that would be NIT bound any other year.

Now.. i think acc is likely to have 2-3 sweet 16 teams.. not like 5 or anything.. but dont knock the conference quite yet.. there are teams in this tourney… that would be NIT bound any other year.

by sedge94 on Mar 7, 2010 8:23 PM EST reply actions  

Likely to have 2-3 team in the Sweet 16??

First of all Ga Tech isn’t getting into the tourney. They were 7-9 in a down ACC. They aren’t dancing.

If Maryland is able to get a 5 seed, that means they should win their first game, but more than likely will be favored to lose against the 4 seed. So I would say the chances of them making the Sweet 16 is 45%.

Clemson, FSU, Wake Forest, Va Tech are all going to be 7-11 seeds. That means they will be matched up against 1, 2, or 3 seeds in the second round. I don’t know how you think it’s likely that one of these teams goes to the Sweet 16.

Duke will go to the Sweet 16.

Big 12 and Big East are much better than the ACC. It’s not even close this year.

by ggggmen08 on Mar 7, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I cant see GT getting in at all.

no matter what the conference RPI is, 7-9 doesnt warrant it unless you win 2 games minimum in the Tourney, and they wont make it there. Looking at the conference seeding I dont see how you could count on them winning 2.

Talent yes, sure. They have more talent than just about anyone in the country but Hewitt cant teach them anything.

by DrB on Mar 7, 2010 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

Guys.. you have to look at the big picture

This year’s bubble.. is AWFUL.
Tech has 4 wins vs the RPI top 50, and they’re 7-9 vs the top 100 – their RPI is 44 today
Oh.. and they beat Duke #2 RPI. and their SOS is #19 in the country
They are competing with -
Dayton RPI of 51 – 5-9 vs top 100
Ariz st RPI of 53 – 3-7 vs top 100
Mississippi – RPI of 57 – 6-8 vs the top 100
Seton Hall – RPI of 55 – 6-11 vs the top 100
S Florida – RPI of 63.. 6-10 vs the top 100
Miss st RPI of 69 7-8 vs top 100
Illinois RPI of 75 – 5-11 vs top 100

There are teams that will be in the dance this year.. that have ZERO business there.. Tech starts w UNC.. and then the terps.. a win vs UNC.. probably get them in.

by sedge94 on Mar 8, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I live in Cincinnati....

Dayton is much further off the bubble than Tech.

they finished the year losing 5 of 7 and must make it to the A10 championship game to be considered.

by sedge94 on Mar 10, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

A win over UNC doesn't mean anything

I’m trying hard to take you serious, but the committee is looking for a quality wins from bubble teams. Beating a bad UNC team doesn’t do anything.

by ggggmen08 on Mar 8, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm trying very hard to think of you as someone who knows what they're talking about...

A win over UNC would likely assure Ga tech of a birth in the big dance.. don’t agree w me?? read bubble watch on espn.. read bracketology 101 on Fox… i’m not the only one that thinks so.. a Loss to UNC.. kills them… so it’s not to much that beating UNC is great… it’s that they’re the next team on their schedule.. and losing to them.. would likely knock them off the bubble..

by sedge94 on Mar 10, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

here's what i'll do...

When the conf championships are over on Sunday.. i will post MY field of 65 on here… at that point.. you decide if i know what i’m talking about… I’ve just beat Joe Lunardi the last 3 years…

by sedge94 on Mar 10, 2010 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

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