Shakin The Southland: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: College Football Rankings - BlogPoll Top 25

With Increased Performance Comes More Expectations, Oliver

How do I not blame Purnell for losses like this?And yet another 1st round ACC Tourney loss to a lesser team.

I'm fully cognizant of what OP has done for Clemson since he's been here. He took the garbage Larry Shyatt left him to play with and took us to a level we've never consistently been at before. We have more talent on the team today than we've had since at least the late 80s. We've won more games the last 4 years than we ever have before. I'm not calling for OP to be fired, and even those who do want him gone realize that he's not going anywhere.

But the man can't coach an offense. He hasn't gotten through to Trevor Booker, who still takes days off and actually seems to have regressed. He hasn't recruited any shooters to take pressure off the interior game. His teams don't play defense on the road and generally look AWFUL away from Littlejohn.

Star-divide

In all fairness, Booker is a senior, so his problems are partly on himself. He's mentally weak. When his offensive game is ever stifled, he lets it affect his defensive play. He begins to look lethargic and instead of being the man who leads his team by demanding the ball and using the talent he has to score when we need it, he gets lazy and doesnt play ball anymore. Against Wake Forest OP noticed it I'm sure, and Booker was yanked quite a bit from the game. I'd have sat him down much faster, like last year. Maybe OP believes he's got nothing else to run out there yet that can do better than Trevor can when he's on. To me it seems that Trevor's attitude infects the whole team, and thats the Coach's problem to fix.

Clemson lost K.C.last year, that was expected. You can recruit one to make up for the loss. Losing Terrance Oglesby was not, and we should've had our necessary shooter. Still, Purnell seems to have a preference for a ton of Wing players and no PG, and none of them can shoot deep consistently. Does it not seem to anyone else that we have a glut of guys in here to play the same positions with similar skill sets, when we really need someone who can a) shoot 3s, and b) distribute the ball and run the offense? Are we going to have to recruit all 5-star lineups like Georgia Tech just to win more than 9 conference games?

Speaking of offense, where is it? Our half-court sets are....to be honest....shitty. I have never seen a team that set screens worse than we do, and with a motion offense you have to set screens!!!! The spacing is bad, we dont box out, we can't set screens, and even though we run motion I often see guys NOT moving at all. I see no offensive strategy out there, and its not even there with the experienced players.If it was just the young guys it would be ok, but it isnt. Thats the Coach's problem.

And the defense....where is it when we go on the road? We play very good D at home and lets be fair, winning a road ACC game is a struggle anytime, but we can't beat the weaker teams on the road. How is that any different from going up to Wake Forest in football and barely beating them, or going up there and getting smacked around 45-17? Or a trip to Maryland where we're one of only 2 teams they beat all year? How do we trail an entire game against a team we should beat in a neutral site, and who we beat at their place? We do show up and make a fight of it sometimes, but the killer instinct that I see missing from Clemson football is still missing from Clemson basketball too. Whenever the opponent plays bad, we decide to match their level.  Its all mental weakness. If a team is that different home vs. away, then they are not mentally tough. That ultimately comes down to the Coach.

"It seemed like they wanted it more," Stitt said. "We just didn't play with a lot of energy, a lot of passion. "You can't really explain it. If you don't play with want-to, energy and passion, there's no explanation for that. It comes from within. At Littlejohn, we're pumped up and our fans are into it and we feed off of that. At away games, we've got to create our own energy. We can't let other crowds get to us and let frustration get to us. That's what it boils down to."

"I think we came out and played a little flat," Booker said. "N.C. State came out and they wanted it. You could tell they wanted it."

WTF? How can I hear that and not blame the Coach? Mental preparation is HIS job. Thats no different than going down to Columbia and shitting the bed against a team that got their ass kicked by UCONN. Then, Purnell made a Tammy-like statement.

"You're swimming upstream when you're a high seed and if you don't have a bye, because that other team is coming in highly motivated," Purnell said. "That other team is coming in highly motivated, because this is their Super Bowl. This is their opportunity here. So they're coming in highly motivated with everything to play for, and you've got to get yourself really juiced up."

Yeah no shit Oliver, I know its their Super Bowl, its your job to make sure your team doesnt piss the game away and lose because they dont have the "want-to". Last weekend we pissed the Bye away because they didnt "want it bad enough". At Sakerlina last November didn't have the "want-to"....for half of Bowden's tenure we didnt have the "want-to" either, despite having the talent to win the damn conference.

Purnell wants Clemson basketball to elevate itself. He wants those sellouts every week and wants students camped out for basketball tickets. However if he expects that to happen, he needs to elevate himself or eventually Clemson fans will grow tired of early exits in Tournaments and find a new coach. Getting to the NCAAs won't be a hurdle if it goes to half of Div 1-A soon. 

It won't be this year, and it won't be next year, but if this trend continues his monster is going to eat him.

0 recs  |  Comment 14 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

I have to agree with you.

Right now, I think our goal is to get into the NCAA tournament, and once we have “punched our card”, it seems that we relax because we think we have finished the job. Also, I think they figured they could not win the ACC Tournament because they did not get a bye, so they were not too excited about being there. No excuse for that, and, like you, I agree that these kinds of efforts do not get the fans fired up.

Other than not showing up, I think our problem is that we can’t score in a half-court set unless we are hitting the three. That has to change, or else we will never progress further than where we are now. Also, our guys have to be able to play defense on the road the way they do at home, or else we are just going to give the home team a lot of wide open looks at the basket.

That said, I still think OP is one of the best things to ever happen to Clemson basketball, and I would rather be where we are now than where we were five years ago.

There is something in these Hills!

by Tigerplowboy on Mar 12, 2010 8:43 AM EST reply actions  

Killer instinct and will power...

that’s what Clemson is lacking.

Derrick Favors said after his game last night “I played better offense than they played defense. I just would not let my team lose.” I LOVE that comment. When I play sports, I HATE to lose. I will do anything and everything to will my team to a win. And when I watch sports, I want guys like that on the teams that I root for. You have to have guys that have the will to do everything in their power to win.

Clemson has a bunch of passive guys that don’t seem too concerned with winning or losing. That all starts with Booker and seems to rub off on the rest of the team. The fact that Clemson doesn’t have a guard or a wing that can take the game over doesn’t help.

Clemson is hamstrung by a bunch of guys that aren’t good shooters and/or can’t create their own shots. What they need is creative offense sets to get them good shots. An offense with good movement, screens, and back door cuts which can create easy scores is what they should be running.

by ggggmen08 on Mar 12, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

I wanted to break it up into 2 parts...

Going back to the ‘not good shooters and/or can’t create their own shots’ comment:

Stitt - Not a good shooter, but can drive to the basket. Defenses can play off him and force him to shoot.

Tanner Smith - Not a good shooter and can’t create his own shot.

Noel Johnson - A good shooter, but not a good ball handler so he is limited driving to the basket.

Andre Young - A good shooter, but too short to get off anything inside the arc. Also needs help getting open for a 3 due to his height disadvantage.

David Potter – Not a great shooter, not athletic enough to drive and finish at the rim.

Milton Jennings – Looks completely lost with the ball in his hands.

So the problem is that the guys that are decent shooters can’t drive and finish. And the guy that can drive and finish isn’t a good shooter. It’s pretty easy to play defense on a one dimensional guy.

by ggggmen08 on Mar 12, 2010 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

I'll follow up on these with....

3 points on OP

  1. - A coach should not have a system. A coach should look at the players on his team any given year.. evaluate their strengths and weaknesses and design an offense and a defense that best fits the talents of those players. OP has 1 system and he tries to recruit guys that he thinks will work in that system.. but once they come in to the program.. he has to be able to adjust based on their abilities
  1. - Clemson will never recruit a team full of 5 star players.. isn’t not gonna happen. The guys we can get will all have some strong pts.. and weak pts. OP really struggles in getting guys to come in and understand their 1 specific role.. telling them “this is what i want you to do.. and i want you to do it well” If you have 5 guys on the court who all know their roles.. and have the ability to fill that role.. you’d see a different team
  1. - I live in cincinnati.. and watched OP at the University of Dayton for 10 years. Sadly.. the same issues we now have in Tigertown.. plagued OP at UD. His teams flat out underacheive in crunch time. This has followed him during his entire careeer.. and at this point..i don’t ever see that changing.

by sedge94 on Mar 12, 2010 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

This team should not be running motion

Think of the skill sets on this team —

Motion requires excellent screening on the baseline ( with 4 and 5 screening for each other) on the block.. and requires 4/5 to downscreen for 2/3 to get them the ball on the wings. So.. you’re running an offense to try to get potter and tanner the ball and do what with it ??

The 2 goals of this offense should be —

1 – isolate booker on the block.. let them get his shot or find a teammate.. practice.. practice.. practice feeding the post from multiple angles to run your offense thru him.

2 – run a 1-4 and let stitt penetrate and dish. the 3 not so horrible shooters on this team are Noel, Andre, and every now and then.. Potter.. they should be put into positions where all they are asked to do is shoot.. nothing else.. in practice.. they should just shoot.. shoot.. and shoot. Grant, Little Book, and Milton should be drilled over and over and over on how to get position to offense rebound.. that is how they can contribute.. don’t worry about anything else.. they have size and athleticm.. work with what you’ve got.

This would be playing to the offensive strenghts of the team..

by sedge94 on Mar 12, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't argue with anything you are saying

The thing that kills me is they are supposedly running a motion offense, but I rarely, if ever, see the 4/5 set cross screens for each other the baseline. This is the easier way to get good post position. It makes it difficult to double team the post man. And if a shot goes up from deep while these screens are going on, it makes it tougher on the defense to find their man and box out.

by ggggmen08 on Mar 12, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

What should have happened this year on offense

Stitt – focused on getting to the basket and getting FTs or penetrating and dishing
Young – shoot shoot shoot
Noel – shoot shoot shoot
Tanner – realize you can’t shoot.. get hustle plays, screen, keep offense moving
Grant and Devin – grab offensive rebounds and screen for god’s sake
Trevor – work on establishing and keeping post position.. work on passing out of double and triple teams.
Milton – god help him.. he should have just been asked to pull a big man away from the basket.. stay on the perimeter and hit an open shot from time to time
Potter – useless…

by sedge94 on Mar 12, 2010 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

Book needs to shoot quicker

Over the season it seems like Trevor keeps waiting longer and longer before he shoots the ball. Most of the teams are double and triple teaming him, especially when our 3pt are not falling. He’s letting the other defenders get to him before shoots.

by WCScottyP on Mar 12, 2010 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

Booker does the exact opposite of Tracy Smith

Smith gets the ball and goes straight to the basket in order to not let the double team come.

by ggggmen08 on Mar 12, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

here's the problem with book...

In years past.. he was a complimentary player. His reaped the rewards of his teammates finding him in open space. He has been.. and will continue to be a great finisher.. when he’s put in the right position.

This year.. he was forced to create.. much more so than in years past.. when you had KC and TO on the wings.. it’s a lot harder to double team. It’s clear.. that he’s not the brightest kid you’re ever going to meet (talking basketball IQ). So.. he’s now in the uncomfortable position of having to think.. “where’s the double team coming from” “who are my open shooters” He’s at his best when he can react and finish.. Clearly.. this year has shown when he has to create for others… he tries to dribble..he tries to pass thru narrow openings.. and his turnovers.. are up.. once again.. OP not working within the strengths of his players..

by sedge94 on Mar 12, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

What a good offense might have looked like

On the floor — stitt, young, tanner, trevor, grant

Even if you have guys w limited skills.. put them in postion to contribute offensively.

Put Book at the high post and Grant on the block on Andre’s side of the floor. Book sets a ball screen for stitt going toward Andre on the wing. Book can pick and roll or pick and pop. If stitt can turn the corner off the solid screen someone has to help. If Andre’s man sags down.. stitt can kick to open Andre for 3. If Grant’s man steps up to stop penetration.. dish to Grant near the rim. if not.. stitt can work to get to the rim.

If they trap the initial ball screen.. stitt can kick to booker who is capable of making a jump shot..or book can work to create.. normally.. he’d have a big guarding him 18 feet from the basket.. advantage book.

by sedge94 on Mar 12, 2010 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

OP perennial loser?

I’m not saying fire the guy. I appreciate the work he has done. I actually follow our hoops squad now and watch every single game, which I really didn’t do during the Shyatt era. That being said, OP has been coaching for 25+ years and the guy has NEVER won an NCAA tournament game. Its great that we’ve qualified the past few years, but our national reputation under Purnell is that we fall apart down the stretch. I don’t think the guys are buying into his philosophy (and I’m not sure I understand his philosophy). Bottomline, OP has proven that Clemson can be relevant in bball. If he’s not the guy to take us to the next level, I say get rid of him in the next couple years.

by Tiger'99 on Mar 13, 2010 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about the Clemson Tigers. If you want to take a hard look at both sides of something, feel free to stick around and comment. Follow us on Twitter
Start posting about the Tigers »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

Connect_with_facebook

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Slick_small
My best guess at the '10 Clemson Jersey

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

SBNation.com Recent Stories

Gameday

'Rolling Logistical Miracle': Behind-The-Scenes With ESPN's GameDay

Auburn quarterback Cameron Newton (2) scrambles around Arkansas State defensive end Jeremy Gibson (96) during an NCAA college football game on Saturday, Sept. 4, 2010, in Auburn, Ala. Auburn won 52-26 over Arkansas State (AP Photo/ Butch Dill) +10 updates

No. 21 Auburn Holds Off Upstart Mississippi State, 17-14

LANDOVER MD - SEPTEMBER 06:  Linebacker #52 Derrell Acrey of the Boise State Broncos hugs a fan after the Broncos defeated the Virginia Tech Hokies 33-30 at FedExField on September 6 2010 in Landover Maryland.  (Photo by Geoff Burke/Getty Images)

Mid-Manifest Destiny: Boise State's On Top; Now What?

More from SBNation.com >


Bengal Tiger

Danny_ford_small DrB

Slick_small FIGUREFOUR