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2010 Recruiting....did we fill our needs?

2009 assessment

Defense

DE -   Gone is Ricky Sapp. Gone is Byron Clear, though he rarely played (24 snaps in '09). I'm counting Kevin Alexander as a SAM. Kourtnei Brown was a highly-rated recruit who was down the depth chart so far that they requested he take a RS year in 2009. He'll be a RS Junior this fall. DaQuan Bowers is back to solidify one End position, and I suspect Andre Branch and M. Goodman will fight for significant playing time and one will almost certainly lock the other starting end position down. Bowers would likely leave if he has a stellar year in 2010. DE is a position where you need to bring in talent every single year, so that you arent starting young guys, but nearly everyone will get snaps. Bowers, Branch, Goodman, and Brown should be the 2-deep. Darrell Smith is a reserve coming off a RS, and Traylor will never see the field (it is possible someone is moved to TE). We trade Clear for Brown, and bring in Corey Crawford to replace Sapp along with Tavaris Barnes. I think Clemson filled the need here at DE with enough lead time.

DT - We lose no one, which is awesome. Jenkins and Thompson are probably the best inside tandem in the conference, but Jenkins will be gone in 2011 with Miguel Chavis and Jamie Cumbie. Brandon Thompson is a true junior who I suspect will get serious flirtation from the NFL. In theory we could lose all 4. Rennie Moore is another RS Jr who played lightly (198 snaps). Tyler Shatley comes off a RS year and will step into the 3rd string rotation with Moore. I thought the lack of another player brought in last year would catch up to us in 2011, but Josh Watson might be that player. He got to play and work on things at Hargrave, which is better than sitting on the bench at CU and redshirting, though he could RS in 2010 with the guys ahead of him. So I think Clemson fixed a quibble of mine with last years class and added another prospect for NG in Tra Thomas. Thomas likely redshirts. You only need 4-5 men up front and we have 6-7 to play with in 2010. Tavaris Barnes could and eventually may be moved inside depending on future recruiting. Clemson filled their need at DT, but to lose all 4 up front would be gutting next winter.

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LB - Steele's scheme uses the LBs in their traditional 4-3 roles, but we do play a multiple front system, so you could see anywhere between 2-4 on the field at once. We lose both SAM LB Alexander and WILL K. Conner. Tarik Rollins will transfer. Jeremy Campbell didnt play much (94 snaps) and is gone. Stanley Hunter had to quit. We return only MIKE Brandon Maye (RS Jr) from the starters, who I think should be moved to WILL backer now. I wouldnt be surprised to see him at MLB again though. Former starting SAM Scotty Cooper didnt play much, to my surprise, in 2009 (110 snaps). I expect to see more of him than that in the future, but he's really not the same guy after 2 knee surgeries and will be gone in 2011. I dont know who is better on the strongside though. Daniel Andrews played sparingly as a sophomore and will get on the field some, but I expect Corico Hawkins and Tig Willard to step up and play more. One of those two should start, Hawkins perhaps. Shuey has size at MIKE, which we do need, but he's coming off a RS as is Quan Christian (OLB). Another year of teaching will help these young guys, and they are talented. Still, the LB position was a crucial need exposed in 2009 and we brought in only Justin Parker, who could step in at somewhere, maybe Weakside, and play a couple hundred snaps. I doubt he redshirts. We basically lose 5 and gain 3 but numbers arent the issue at LB, where starters basically play a whole game. Jake won't ever play at Clemson I think. Ricky Chaney will probably redshirt, if he makes it in, and the coaches are slotting him at SS. I think Clemson dropped the ball here, we need another good LB, but they were in a spot when Jake had his stroke. Steele will need to earn his paycheck as a position coach with these youngsters, we're down on experience. This one is a critical case where Clemson should've taken a JUCO prospect. We must bring in 3 or 4 Linebackers in 2011.

Safety - DeAndre McDaniel and Rashard Hall are my picks for 1st team at SS/FS. I think both are All-Americans. I think Gilchrist gets moved back to Corner. We lose Sadat Chambers, big deal. Meeks should backup DMac at SS, and I'm going to project Spencer Adams to get on the field somewhere, probably behind Hall. This guy is so fast that its unbelievable, and if his knee is 100% I can't see how you dont get him on the field. We will lose DMac after 2010 and needed at least one S in, and we got 3 in Chaney, Breeland and Brown. We shouldn't lose anyone else but DMac unless Hall really shows out and declares. Chaney at SS, the other two might be Nickel or FS. Clemson filled the need at Safety.

CB - We lose two good corners in Butler and Chancellor. Some people didnt like Chancellor's man/man coverage skills but I think he was good, just not spectacular. We had a Top 10 pass defense folks, if he was awful he'd get picked on every down. Byron Maxwell will take one side, and I suspect Gilchrist the other. Sensabaugh, I'm not sure about....he's ok but I havent seen enough to judge. Xavier Brewer is another guy on the 2-deep. We lose 2 now, with GIlchrist a true senior in 2010, so 3 would be good, and we brought in 3. Jenkins will RS but he's fast. I think either Peters or Robinsion, maybe both, could be extremely good under Harbison's teaching. I think one of the two does RS. Clemson perfectly filled the need at Corner.

Offense

QB - Gone is Willy Korn. I'm not so sure Wade will stay at QB as play ST, but he contributes there. We should keep Parker another year with Boyd the backup in 2010. I don't think Parker is going to play MLB yet, maybe after 2010. I honestly think we're fine at QB for this year, and Jeff Scott says we'll take 2 QBs in 2011 cycle.

RB - A position were you must take one every year, and Clemson hasn't been taking enough. This is the #1 injury prone position on the field. Perhaps the greatest player ever at Clemson is gone, so there will be a dropoff, but I think Ellington and Harper will pick up his slack. Ellington hits a hole so hard that I think he'll end up being a better pure-RB (statistically) than CJ. Harper needs to get in better shape I believe, and get back that step he had in HS, but he's a power back to run out of the I-formation and he did come along this year. Clemson gets Rod McDowell off RS to give us a 3-deep. Perhaps Buice or Howard will avoid a RS, but the staff will try to keep them on it. I think we're set here. We lost one and got 2.

WR - Jacoby Ford is gone, along with all our receptions and passing stats. Dye, Ashe will be the starting 2 on the outside positions as Seniors. I do hope Jaron Brown or Clear step up and push both of them outside. Brandon Ford is a guy I could see moving to TE, but he's also in the mix outside. Marquan should've stepped up in 2009, and didnt. Bryce McNeal had to gain some weight and learn on a RS year. Basically none of these guys did a damn thing in 2009, so I'm not sure what to expect in 2010. I felt like we should've brought in another WR last year. We lose Jacoby now, bring in Bryant and Hopkins to play outside and Joe Craig as a slot. At least 1 should avoid a RS, but I doubt if 2 do. We should be OK numbers-wise here, but I'm concerned about the coach teaching them most of all.

TE - We FINALLY throw to the TE!....then we lose him. No more Palmer, who could catch as well as block. Durell Barry is gone, though he never really ran routes, and R. Taylor is gone at H. Dwayne Allen will be a starter and is gifted athletically, but I'm not impressed with his blocking whatsoever. Its because of this that we think we'll be running more spread and less pro-style formations next year, unless we just stick an OL over there to block. If Allen picks up blocking better then it should be about the same. We lose 3 and bring in Vic Beasley and Sam Cooper. Darrell Smith could, in theory, be moved to TE from DE. He would be a blocker. Phil Price could be moved over just as a blocker. The problem is the opponents will recognize the personnel and wont respect the pass threat with a pure blocker in there. Brandon Ford could be moved but he'd be another Allen, not a blocker. Cooper should RS, Beasley might be good enough to avoid it but he's also a receiver-type TE. Considering how much we used the TE this season, as a blocker and receiver, I believe the offense will change a little because we dont have the depth of personnel to block and catch. We can do one, not both. I think we will need another true blocking TE but numbers-wise we're borderline unless someone moves over. WHY does the staff not take a JUCO player to fill an immediate need?

OL - Starting LG Thomas Austin is gone, but Mason Cloy should step up in his place. Ken Page is gone. Cory Lambert is gone. JaMarcus Grant was gone and Barry Humphries transferred after NSD last year. Medlin we lost to a knee injury. JK Jay is unfortunately gone. All those guys were absent in 2009 anyway. OLine is one position where attrition and injury kills us, as you can see. The starting 5 would be Hairston, Cloy, Freeman, McClain (God help me), and Walker (unless he decides to take Spring off again like last year). 2nd team tackles would be Thomas and David Smith, unless Brad plays musical chairs again. Wilson Norris should push someone at Guard, and Matt Sanders would help out at G, Ben Ramsey is a senior backup Center. Price moved over from TE to Tackle but I bet he never plays much, none until he gets closer to 300lbs. We lose 7 total (counting everyone going back to last spring) and gain David Beasley and Kalon Davis at Guard, Reid Webster and Gifford Timothy at Tackle. We got B. Thomas off a RS. I bet 3 of these new OL end up redshirting. I think Smith could be a good backup to Walker, but Thomas is young and if Hairston goes down we're screwed, Smith would then move over to LT. I think Beasley avoids a RS, while Davis doesnt. Hairston would be the only loss I see coming in 2011. Clemson needed tackles and got 2, but should've gotten 1 or 2 more. We are still short-handed depth wise. We are going to need some tackles come 2011. If Clemson does not sign 3-4 linemen in 2011, I'm not going to be happy.

How do you evaluate the 2010 class from a NEED perspective?

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It is hard to argue with your assessment.

I have felt we needed to bring in more linebackers for several years now, and it is really starting to show. We should have brought in a couple more in this class and just didn’t. I would not mind seeing us move Victor Beasly to LB, because he looks like he could be a good one.

I also think we have had trouble getting enough quality offensive linemen, but in all fairness, I think the outlook would be much better had we not lost JK Jay. Still, we are skating on thin ice with the situation at left tackle.

I thought one of the best things Napier did was throw to the TE, and hope we can keep that as an important part of our offense. Not many fans were excited when Sam Cooper committed, but people were not that excited when Palmer committed, either, so here’s to hoping Cooper will be the next Palmer.

There is something in these Hills!

by Tigerplowboy on Feb 8, 2010 4:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We will be seeing a lot of new faces, who knows yet if they can play?

DE – Goodman and Branch look like pretty good replacements for Sapp. Bowers is good, but he has not yet looked like the unstoppable monster he was supposed to be.

DT – We are fine now. We better get some guys next year or we will end up with walkons and Fr playing.

LB – I guess we will find out when we see a few new guys playing. Our LBs were overmatched much of the year. Kavell Conner finally figured it out in the bowl game but now he’s gone. This seems to be a position where we have had a lot of attrition or else guys that have not panned out, and it is hurting. WE NEED MORE LBs OF ALL TYPES!

S and CB– I think we are OK here. We have some good ones still on the roster and we loaded up with several more this year. You never know until they hit the field but if we are not OK here we are not OK anywhere.

QB -Worries me a lot. Parker may not be focused on football this spring. He might end up leaving. He did well as a Fr, and I’d expect improvement. Yes, we have Boyd, and he is the second coming, and all that, but so was Korn, and he did essentially nothing of any consequence in 3 seasons on the team. Now he has not only threatened to quit over lack of playing time, but actually done it and gone to Marshall. Wade is a senior and apparently not good enough to crack the chart ( though I guess he finally will this year). We should have gotten a QB this year. Next year we could have 1 QB on the roster, starting as a RS So. If Boyd is good enough to win the job over an older guy (just like Parker was) then Parker is surely gone as I can’t see him staying to be a backup QB. WE NEED ANOTHER QB IN THE PIPELINE!

RB – Worries me a little. Well, if anyone other than CJ had left, I’d probably say we’re fine. How do you fill those shoes? You don’t. Ellington showed flashes of brilliance running through the line, and also a few too many fumbles given his number of carries. Harper showed fewer flashes of brilliance and more mundane short gains. He has not run like you expect a guy that big to run. We will see this year for sure. McDowell is a total unknown. I’ll be interested to see if we continue to have a tandem/rotation of backs (like Davis/Spiller) or if we move to a starter/backups type of rotation (like last year.) Obviously you have to get at least one of these guys every year, and we did that. Too early to say if Lane keeps his commitment.

WR – Wow. We have a former walk-on who has contributed some, and a bunch of other guys who are either unknown or haven’t done a thing when they saw the field, if ever. 10 guys on the roster ought to be enough, if any of them can actually play. Maybe one of the Fr will step up (some Fr can play, as Jeffery showed at Chickenville) and if not, then who the hell will we pass to? One TE and a bunch of WR who can’t catch??!? We have the numbers, but the ability is in question. It could be as bad as last year, only worse.

TE – Problem. We lost the best TE we never knew we had, or else he just suddenly became a great player, I don’t know which. At any rate we have one somewhat experienced TE. We did pick up 2, but I can’t expect them to contribute very much. This would lead you to believe we will be seeing more multiple WR formations, except for…

OL – There are never enough of these guys. Losing Jay to injury before he ever played was a killer. Clearly Page was a waste, whatever the reason he is gone. Like LB, there seems to be a lot of attrition or recruiting misses here. I think you need to bring in 6 every year just to cover the 50% loss rate.

K and P – Jackson has been about as erratic as possible. Benton was good on kickoffs but if he can’t beat out Jackson for FG then that ain’t saying much. Zimmerman is serviceable as P but isn’t setting any records.

Returns – Total unknowns with Ford and Spiller gone. I think it’s safe to assume a downgrade here, what with Spiller being the career TD record holder.

by Cristo on Feb 8, 2010 4:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good assessment

Some comments of mine:

DB – I think we did fantastic here. I agree with you. Look out for Peters—he could be a real gem. I think we forgot about him because he committed early and never dicked around during his recruitment like Robinson did, but Peters was a priority recruit for Nick Saban (who had him higher on their board than Fulton). I also expect big things from Breeland—maybe even 2-deep at FS this year (not sold on Adams yet).

LB – Agree. Dropped the ball.

OT – Another spot, like LB, that is critical right now.

TE – Vic Beasley is a stud (and could be even better at LB, it’s a shame he has to play TE out of numbers necessity). I think he’s the best player in the class. And of course, just wait for Jay Rome to get here.

On JUCOs – We can’t take them because admissions won’t let us. It sucks, but that’s how it’s been for us for some time.

by box125 on Feb 8, 2010 6:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is good stuff.

This is the type of analysis that I really like to see.

I think our starting linebackers will be okay this year. Was it Hawkins that played in the bowl game (I get him and Christian confused)? He looked good and got a good amount of run in that game.

The positions that really worry me are OL and WR. Both positions have a bunch of players that either haven’t proved anything or have proven that they just aren’t that good. We really need guys to step up in these two positions.

by ggggmen08 on Feb 8, 2010 7:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Spot on IMO, on all of your points

I will say D Allen got better in the blocking department as the season went along, not fantastic but not too terrible either. I hope he improves from last year. If he does he will be a force in the Offense at all times. However he will need help. I hope S. Cooper is red-shirted; Palmer was thrusted into the action his freshman year when he needed a RS because of the numbers game, and I hope the same doesn’t happen this year.

You definitely hit on the DT, OL and LB depth issues after 2010; the backers depth has been beaten like a dead horse now (like it should) and the Tigers have to basically hit on almost all of their recruiting targets just to get the 3 to 4 needed. O line the same, depth and the ability to reload after every year instead of the cycle of decent to good then god awful for a year or 2, rinse, repeat. Yep I was hoping they would snag at least one more DT as well due to seeing what you did…, doomsday 2011 if Thompson and/or Bowers declare early. Unless R. Moore is a long lost Perry brother or possessed by the spirit of Rob Bodine, he will need help from Shatley, Thomas, Watson and a couple of frosh; and that is with Big Brandon staying for his senior year.

As far as the wrs, there must be three guys that can step up, they all can’t be busts (well they can, but here’s hoping someone can actually coach them up). For the QBs maybe the staff believes for one year, if there was an emergency, a Breeland (best candidate) or Peters could maybe step in in a worst case scenario. Of course the offense would be severely one dimension with the run.

If the staff can duplicate the success of keeping all of it’s committed recruits in 2010 coupled with getting the numbers to match the needs of the positions that would put the Tigers in great shape in 2011. I hope some of these players like Q.Christian, Shuey Willard, Norris, Brandon Thomas, Marquan Jones and Jaron Brown take off starting this spring.

by CTigers77 on Feb 9, 2010 12:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs


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