Playcalling and the Debate on Swinney vs. Napier
Last year, going into the Maryland game we were pretty discombobulated on offense. There was fairly little rhythm to anything that wasn’t part of a scripted drive, and it ended up costing us a big home game against TCU. During those first few games you would not be able to say what our intentions were on offense, e.g., whether we were a running team or a pass-happy team. In the Maryland game the offense totally shifted to passing, and as we went through at the time in the game review posts, it was predominantly shotgun-based. Before last season even began, I heard from several folks that Billy Napier preferred a more run-oriented attack similar to what he ran at Furman, while Dabo Swinney (who also came through an I-formation based system at Alabama) preferred a spread passing attack. What we saw early on was a bit of a hodgepodge, but at Maryland it was all spread against a team that didn’t have much of anything on defense. They threw the ball around all day and lost 24-21.
After that day, the fans latched onto the information that leaked out which hinted that there were too many fingers in the playcalling-pie at Maryland. Napier stormed off after the game without answering questions, and with the revelation that Dabo signaled in the wrong protection on the last play (resulting in a sack), we started asking the question about who is really calling our plays. They denied it totally at the time, saying that Billy Napier calls all the plays for the offense. I believe that was a complete falsification.
But after that game, the system changed totally. CU went to an I-formation based system that had great success with it. The passing attack was predominantly play-action based and the clear intent was to get the ball to our 3 best players. We didn’t deviate too much from this philosophy and finished the year on a relatively high note. Therefore, most people had confidence in Napier’s playcalling coming into this season and the expectations of 9-3/10-2, considering the talent here and with Parker back, were not unreasonable.
In the preseason I thought that if we came out and played to our strengths (experienced OL, two RBs, solid defense) that we’d turn out alright for the year. If we came out and threw the ball around with Swinney’s preference for the 4-wide shotgun attack, we’d lose.
This year we seemed to start out with these ideas on offense. After rolling over NT and PC, we went to Auburn and dominated them up front in the 1st half, and took advantage of their overpursuit with screens. For whatever reason those screens were abandoned at halftime and the staff didn’t adjust to the obvious fact that Andre Ellington was the better runner of the two that day. After Parker got the late hit to the back, the offense couldn’t finish things off and we botched the snap on the kick that would’ve extended the game and given us another shot.
But then the next week the offense didn’t look the same, and the next week, or ever since. The play calls weren’t even the same. What looked like Napier’s system from last season appeared to be totally abandoned vs. Miami, and we threw the ball 30+ times and lost. It was even more apparent against UNC, when we didn’t attack a depleted defensive front and again lost.
What I believe happened is that Swinney was so crushed by losing to his hated rival Auburn, because we couldn’t hit big passes to end it, that he basically said "To hell with this run-based system, I want to throw the ball and force these receivers to grow up", and directed Napier to install the things that they took from their offseason visits to Texas, which runs an almost-entirely shotgun offense and hasn’t been able to run the ball adequately for several years.
What I see out there since Auburn is two themes on offense, and it is almost like we’re calling plays from two different playbooks. One is all shotgun, pass-oriented, with a couple draws, zones, and zone read option plays to try to keep the defense honest. The other is an under-center book, based out of one-back and the I-formation, that is rush and play-action based. After that, there are a few various single plays/formations that seem to be stuck in as an afterthought, like the Wildcat or the Pistol, which we see once or twice a game and never again.
Even a few of the staple plays of any run-oriented offense have been totally abandoned, which confuses me even more. When was the last time you saw us effectively run a counter? What about the IS/OS Trap? I note every play we run from the I-formation, and all I ever see is Isolation, Power O, Power G, and a Sweep. Occasionally, and not every week mind you, we’ll try a Toss sweep or a Speed Option. We run our single-back formation plays as predominantly inside zones, with one or two stretch plays thrown in, and occasionally moving an H-back around to make them into (effectively) I-formation plays with a lead blocker.
In the gun, we’re as I stated above. There are no midline option reads, and off the top of my head I can’t recall more than one or two counters/traps ever called. We even abandoned the Pistol plays that were installed, and stopped aligning the RB 2 yards back from his normal Gun position. Those are both things that let you give the RB that extra second to read his blocks and make the cut. Now, we put him outside the OT and even with the QB depth, and we have had zero running threat from the shotgun since.
I don’t think there are two people calling plays from these two playbooks, which would end up with more delay-of-game penalties and the like from not agreeing on the calls. This philosophical shift is done in gameplanning starting on Sunday afternoon, when the entire staff gets together to study the opponent’s film. Swinney and others are telling Napier to rep X plays from the Gun and Y plays from under-center on Monday, and he lets Billy call them. I do think others interject with ideas like "hey lets try this!" on occasion on Saturday, and Swinney changes the play call, resulting in a few plays that seem to have never been repped in practice, or suddenly sticking something in that loses all rhythm of the drive. That’s definitely a sign of inexperience, and to my knowledge no one other than Brad Scott has experience running a spread system….and even FSU under Brad was I-formation much of the time.
So, if you accept this, saying you just want Napier gone because of his calls doesn’t make much sense. You don’t know who is running the show in film study on Sunday/Monday that influences the gameplan, and Billy is not the one teaching individual techniques to players. The only one he coaches directly in one-on-one situations is Parker (who has not progressed as he should either). Dabo wants control of the offense himself and wants to be involved in all the playcalling. He believes that will keep his head in the game and he’ll be able to adjust better. I don’t agree with that point of view. I think he’d be better off observing instead of discussing the next play call and signaling it in. If he took a step back and watched the ebb and flow of the game, taking notes, I think he’d be able to make a more informed decision on the plays.
It’s certainly the head man’s prerogative to change plays, and Bowden should’ve done it more than he did, but Dabo doesn’t have experience calling them, and even if another staff member calls a particular play, Dabo is the one signaling them in instead of thinking "hey this is stupid, we’re running the ball down their throat, why not keep going with it?". My bet is that his ego won’t let him give up these things with a new offensive coordinator coming in. If you want a new OC, you might as well want a new HC.
One thing I've definitely noticed about Dabo is that his optimism runs so deep that its to a fault. He believes guys like Xavier Dye and Terrance Ashe and Brandon Ford really are capable of great things. He truly believes Jamie Harper is an outstanding running back. He believes he's so good at playcalling that he can just change anything at any time and it'll work. Unfortunately for him thats not true. His own optimism and hardheadedness blinds him to what actually is happening on the field. A new OC will not change these things, a more experienced OC will not let Dabo walk all over him in playcalling, and end up quitting. A new offensive staff, from top to bottom, may be able to teach them techniques well enough to do things right, but he's so confident in his staff choices that he is not going to go on a firing spree. We're stuck.
Throwing the ball 30-40 times is not what this team is going to be strong at this season. I personally have a preference for running it, but I'm not against throwing the football, despite what you may think. Far too many folks think I'm all for running it 65 times per game with the same RB, thats not true. However, Clemson has a good-enough OL and, until Andre went down, RB group to justify a 60/40 run/pass ratio. Kyle Parker doesn't need to be throwing the ball 40+ times in a game with a group of WRs who barely know the offense, and an older group of WRs who just aren't any good at all. Every time he's thrown it over 30 times, we've lost.
Dabo just doesnt see that, and even if Napier or any other staff member does, it won't matter.
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I read an article by Larry Williams on TI today. Dabo and Billy give the same canned responses every time they are asked about the playcalling. Larry made a good point. Why don’t they come out and tell the people that are paying their salaries what is really going on? It would stop the constant questions, which they obviously hate.
I am the utter Playstation football type fan...
Never played football at any level, but have watched it for years. So from a strategy and understanding the nuances of the game I am a novice.
What I am wondering is what do I not see that these Div 1 level coaches see that tells them we need to be running the types of plays we are running (ie predominantly the pass over the run). I mean it appears to me from each game I have watched (even with my untrained ey), much as you have pointed out on the site, that our strength is as stated, running the ball.
The whole dadblame fan base sees it. So why can the coaching staff not see it, or what is telling them otherwise?
I am at a loss…
Running the football is obviously our strength
because there is no way this offensive staff gets that many correct run plays called at the right times throughout the season.
Damn fine article.
Well done, Doc
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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“That’s what keeps me going every day, right now. It’s pretty obvious we’re missing a couple of explosive pieces that we’ve had…we’ve got help here and we’ve got help on the way. That’s exciting to me.” This is a Dabo quote from today.
I interpret to mean that he is getting his jollies off thinking about 4-5 WR sets. If you didn’t believe in his spread philosophy then this statement here should clear that up for you.
I don’t care if we come out with 5 guys lined up at WR. Teams can be committed to the run as a spread team or as a freaking wishbone team. The OC has to be innovative enough to create running lanes with different alignments the difference shows from week to week. Thats why we pay him more. We could have a million formations with thousands of WRs from one back sets that can be successful. Bottom line. EVERYONE HAS TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE. If you run the power I you can’t run the football if you signal the wrong protection. This is not on Brad Scott, Jeff Scott, Billy Napier, Danny Pearman. It is on the HBC who signals in the plays. GET ON THE SAME PAGE AND STOP THIS AMATEUR HOUR BULLSHIT. I know Dabo can coach without a doubt in my mind, but the mistakes come from never being a high profile OC and not having a high profile OC on staff.
CREATE AN OFFENSIVE PHILOSOPHY AND STICK WITH IT. LIVE AND DIE BY IT AS A TEAM OR MOVE ON. TWO PHILOSOPHIES CAN NOT WIN GAMES.
More Swinney comments
Dabo comments that Clemson has only lost 4 road games by a total of 17 points this year. He says, “I don’t want to use the word close, but that’s the reality of it”.
Sound familiar?
Does Napier walk at the end of the year?
If you’re right Doc about Swinney overruling Napier at every turn, I can’t imagine he (Napier) would want to stick around much longer. The longer the offense suffers while it’s being claimed Napier is making all the play calls, the more poorly it will reflect on him professionally. It would seem to be in his best interest to seek another gig posthaste.
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
What's Napier's alternative? I don't see him getting an FBS (or even decent FCS) OC offer.
If I were Napier I’d stay put, work on managing Dabo better, and get the WRs onboard to actually execute what Dabo wants executed. Napier can’t get a better job than he has right now. He has an incredible opportunity to make a name for himself as an FBS OC (which is a stepping stone to an FBS HC position.
I do not think so, because this is the best he can do at this point.
There is something in these Hills!
by Tigerplowboy on Nov 18, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
You would think they would place winning above ego.
Who knows what happens behind the scenes and why they run the plays they run? But, they have constantly said they want to get the ball in the hands of the best players, so if that is the case, then it ain’t happening out of the spread. Allen, Ellington, Harper, Diehl, and Nuke should be in there on most plays, and those are the guys who should get the ball 80% of the time.
There is something in these Hills!
Can someone explain this to me ?
According to Rivals, Bellamy and Lane are 2 of the best 10 RBs in the country coming out of high school this year. Our last 2 RBs are now playing on Sundays, and I could see AE making an NFL team in 3 years.
Knowing that we can get this kind of talent to run the ball, why on F#CKING earth —
1 – do we not go balls out recruiting OL and/or find a coach that get develop OL talent ?
2 – are we so focused on being a “passing team” and running a spread offense ?
When you’re trying to develop your team’s identity.. don’t you start off looking at what your best players do ?
No clue.
There is something in these Hills!
by Tigerplowboy on Nov 18, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt Bellamy & Lane both stay with Clemson, but I was thinking the same thing earlier today.
If you look at Clemson’s 2011 commits on Rivals, there are multiple 4-5-star RBs & WRs, but not much in the way of star-power between the TEs. And although we’re hurting for LBs, we only have one 2-star and one 3-star so far. I know it’s still early. But it reminds me of the Bowden years where we had good skill players and nobody bo block for them.
Yes, that is concerning
It’s like we hired Tommy Bowden’s more optimistic brother? We seem to be drifting back towards that kind of regime.
Did we ever leave that regime?
I see no real difference in the philosophy, scheme, execution, etc and most of all no change in the results. (I guess that is why I am miserable.) The only thing that has changed is the lack of blowouts and the occasional game where we are more physical than the opponent.
Lack of LB recruits is alarming based on current talent level.
Lack of 4 start OL recruits is also alarming based on Brad’s track record of missed talent evaluations.
I'd be surprised if we got a good LB recruit.
I’m not enthralled by what we have committed, and I am doubtful we get Anthony or Steward right now.
Very well done, Dr. B
You know, every coach has their philosophy of what is the best way to win. And, it’s totally logical for Dabo to come to the conclusion that, “I want a Big 12-style spread offense and an SEC-style defense.”
As Dr. B basically said, Dabo did not have any credibility as a HC or offensive mind and had to win games last year. We won the Atlantic division and Dabo gained a lot of credibility with fans, the admin, and recruits.
Clemson 2010, though, obviously has predominately I-Formation personnel and it was clear that we were going to have that kind of offensive personnel two minutes after the bowl game with Kentucky ended last year.
Dabo has taken advantage of his credibility and job security and has chosen that his philosophy is more important than putting a pretty talented team in a position to win. To me, it’s not ego, it’s arrogance.
Dabo is well aware by now that he has given back any job security he earned from last year but, he believes so much in his system that he’s willing to stand by the argument that the kids are doing everything right and “hey, we’re building a program here.”
We are going to find out what we have “built” by this time next year. I don’t think Dabo will survive the full donor meltdown that will occur if we are in this position next year. Even if the offense is scoring 45 points a game, it won’t matter if we’re not winning.
We squandered one great defensive football team this year, to put in the “offense of our future” and I’m pretty disappointed with that. Because we did that, I think all of our expectations should be fairly high next season. I think it’s Atlantic Division or bust.
Problem is, you CANNOT have an "SEC defense" with a "Big 12 spread offense". As the
great Bill Parcells always said, “Your defense is married to your offense.” Meaning, if you have a finesse offense you’ll get a finesse defense by default. Mainly, because they go against each other every day in practice. Just a fact of life. You think Texas Tech never wanted a physical dominating defense? They just couldnt develop one because they had to practice against that soft spread offense every day in practice.
That is a very good point.
Also probably why GT does not have a very good defense.
There is something in these Hills!
by Tigerplowboy on Nov 18, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
This is true
Smash-mouth offense makes you a smash-mouth defense to an extent.
That doesn’t mean you can’t have it that way, but it certainly helps.
Ding Ding...^^^winner
That has always been my personal philosophy on football. The game is won in the trenches. Manhandling people up front on both sides of the ball wins games more consistently, and more importantly, is a consistent winner at the highest level of football competition.
I think the Steelers, Nick Saban, and Danny Ford have always had it right.
I do disagree somewhat with the reasoning that it’s all about practicing against each other in practice because in college they don’t do that. They practice against the scout team replicating another offensive scheme. The spread/run and shoot didn’t exactly work in the pros though either.
I believe that it doesn’t work because the defense is on the field for longer stretches of time, more series, and for more total plays than defenses of other teams. I don’t believe that Ray Lewis would soften up if the Ravens went to the the spread. I do believe their defense would give up more points though.
I agree totally that if Dabo did come to sort of a “Big 12 O/SEC D” conclusion, it’s not going to work (ie. it is arrogant to think that after 100 years of football, he would be the guy to reinvent the wheel). He will get a year to prove me wrong in 2011.
That is what I'm holding him to as of now, yes.
7-5 in 2011, even with a young Boyd at QB, is still unacceptable.
Napier should tell Dabo "I'm the OC, keep your nose out of my business, if you dont
I’ll walk and then tell the entire Tiger nation that you are the reason the offense is a fucking joke this year. Trying to force the team into being a 40-50 pass per game loser."
where would he walk too though ???
I think as a bigger man he should do what you said , but not so sure as a smarter man .
Is there anyone interested in Napier ? Furman again , Wofford ? Or maybe he would actually gain respect in the football community by telling Dabo to kiss his ass , take a step back and rebuild his own career ? He could be in a tough spot right now .
Yeah I don't think Billy has any way out unless a lateral move is offered to him.
He’s stuck in it and I believe he knows he has to make the best of the situation until something comes along.
One thing to consider...
If you’re trying to install a spread offense and looking to recruit for a spread offense, your system needs to produce big WR numbers to lure in big WR recruits. The same goes for the QB.
I think an HC/Staff has to be dynamic and make adjustments to play to his team’s strengths and attack an opponent’s weaknesses (pretty obvious, yeah). Considering he’s likely recruiting for a spread attack, he might feel he needs to have enough marketing material to sell high caliber skill players, from a statistical standpoint.
This is only hypothetical, and I concede that winning is the best marketing device for recruiting, BUT this might explain his bizarre devotion to the spread.
Just a thought.
as long as we can block ,
on the offensive line , we can be successful . if we can’t block on offensive line , including tight end and tackle , pulling guard and receivers we can expect disaster against WFU , USC , and as bad as I hate to say it ( because there isn’t enough beer in the USA to calm the pain ) we will see another record broken . Yep , University Of South Carolina Gamecocks have the best chance in history to beat US , Clemson , 3 times in a row……….can WE live with that ??? That is a probability . For that reason , we better act soon …..tigers.
Question:
How much of what they do is geared toward attracting recruits? Let’s say Dabo wants to have a spread offense, does not have the players to really run that type of offense, but wants to recruit those types of players. Well, if he runs all I-formation plays which plays to the strength of the current players, then are the recruits he needs for the spread going to say, “Hey, all you run is I-formation, so how am I going to fit in? You say you are going to run the spread, but all I see you ruin is the I”. If the coaching staff was worried about this, then I can see how the offense might look disjointed, because on one hand you want to win games, but on the other you want to show your recruits (Watkins, Bryant, Peake) that you are going to run a system where they can get a lot of touches. Personally, I would go all out to win right now and just adapt to the strenths of my personnel each year, but that is just me. Also, I would run out of the I-formation most of the time, because I like power football.
There is something in these Hills!
I think may be part of it
but, Julio Jones didn’t buy that. I gotta go Al Davis on that, “Just win baby.” You can also run a pro-style balanced I formation that is physical and argue to a WR recruit that “because you play in a pro-style system, the NFL teams will draft you ahead of the spread guy that has more receptions”
I think we can all name some pretty good NFL WRs from our own conference that came from more pro-style offenses.
I think that argument doesnt fly
You don’t ever play against your strengths. Thats how you lose football games.
If your strengths are in the running game, you can still throw the ball enough to attract recruits and work on things you want to shore up passingwise. This isnt Georgia Tech’s system we’re running. You don’t have to throw 40 times to get good WRs.

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