Postgame Impressions: An Embarassing Coaching Performance.
by DrB on Oct 9, 2010 9:08 PM EDT
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I don't even have to say much, lets just list some facts:
- We play with 11 walk-ons, 2 recruits worse than what Southern Cal will have when their probation losses fully kick in, and you just lost to a team that has lost 11 of their players.
- 11 carries for 55 yards for Ellington. 12 for 27 for Harper. Thats just today. 39 passing attempts by Clemson, against a team that averaged 176ypg rushing allowed beforehand.
- Against UM: 17-107 for AE and 3 TDs. JH had 18 carries for 57 yards. Against AU: AE with 22 carries and 140 yds, JH with 19 for 44.
- Play a guy with a broken wrist on punt return. Play your only TE on every snap and then again on special teams.
Now if you just walk-on to our FB team, you'll get a scholarship, become a WR coach and suddenly get promoted for no logical reason and make a million bucks to go 15-11. I'm going to remind you, and show those who haven't seen, what the staff thinks about the AE/JH situation
Has Ellington's performance over the first four games caused you to re-evaluate the distribution of carries at running back?POWELL: "Not really. Jamie Harper didn't play as well this game as he'd liked to have played. We all know Jamie can make plays. Andre played 42 plays. I'm not sure he can play 62 plays. So whether it's 1A and 1B - you start giving him 50-something plays, I think you'll get diminishing results. We're going to keep it the way it is."
So evidently they are just blind, or blatantly stupid. They watch the tape, so I find myself leaning towards stupid. This is not neurosurgery, its not rocket science. If I give you a guy who gets 5-6 yards every time he touches the damn football, what do you do with him? You feed him the football til he can't stand up any more, then substitute. If I give AE the ball 30 times today, we beat UNC. Not one damn soul reading this can tell me that he wouldn't have had over 130 yards if he got 30 carries, likely over 150.
But no, not at Clemson. Our staff isn't that bright. They prefer to continue doing the same dumb shit that got the last staff fired. They take the winner out and put the Ballerina in at RB, and then when the defense shows that they want to give up the run, they decide to call passes.
In the post game press conference, Dabo said "I'm embarrassed.....couldnt get the running game going today." Well, if he had half a brain, he'd see that his OC didn't even CALL THE RUNNING PLAYS TO TRY TO RUN THE DAMN BALL. YOUR HORSE SAT ON THE DAMN SIDELINES THE ENTIRE GAME AND DIDNT GET THE BALL WHEN HE WAS IN THE BALLGAME.
WHERE WAS THE ZONE RUNNING GAME?
WHERE WAS THE ISOLATION BEHIND DIEHL? YOU HAVE THE BEST LEAD BLOCKER IN THE CONFERENCE AND DONT EVEN RUN BEHIND HIM AGAINST A DEFENSE THAT ALLOWED 176 PER GAME COMING IN?
But no, that stuff just doesnt make sense, we'll use our 235lb sissy on a sweep so he can practice dancing, and then throw 39 times and hope for the best. AE wasn't hurt, as Dabo said after the game, they just didnt give it to him.
Look, losing to UNC isnt the problem here, losing 3 in a row that you pissed away because of poor preparation, playcalling, and overall coaching ineptitude is the immediate problem. Team comes out totally flat on both sides, Defense still gives up big chokes on 3rd down, Napier can't figure out how to call running plays when AE is in, and they basically can't see that AE should actually be IN THE GAME so he can get those carries. It took you 4 weeks to figure out that Xavier Dye and Terrance Ashe suck? I suppose it'll take 4 more to figure out that AE should get the ball more often now.
And every one of Clemson's beat writers should be hammering this staff right now. I know they read us from time to time, and if they dont ask tough questions they should be ashamed.
We did a lot of good things today and i'm really encouraged by some players, but when the staff continues to screw up, it doesnt do me any good to enumerate them because next week those will be the things we botch. I'll save them for the film review if you want to see them.
Every Clemson fan in the country should be ashamed of how this staff has prepared this team to play ball. We got KP back and we're 2-3 now, when we'd be 2-3 with Tajh Boyd too. Its not his fault we're 2-3, he cannot overcome those around him by himself.
If you want to fire somebody, don't misdirect your anger at Dabo Swinney, Billy Napier, or Kevin Steele. They may be on the hook for the immediate problem, but youre stuck with them. You need to direct it at those who put them in place: Terry Don Phillips, Jim Barker, and the entire Board of Trustees. If the incompetent people are making the hires, then the next hire won't do any better. Our problems go from the top down.
Wanna fix it? Here you go, heres a list to start with:
david.wilkins@nelsonmullins.com (David Wilkins, Chairman of BOT)
tbrown@theamickcompany.com (Bill Amick)
bsmith@redrockdevelopments.com (Will Smith Jr. Vice Chair)
drleesoffice@bellsouth.net (Ronald D. Lee)
hortcola@aol.com (Louis B Lynn)
lcs@cdsfunds.com (Patricia H. McAbee)
tbmcteerjr@aol.com (Thomas B. McTeer Jr.)
asmith@alicemsgco.com (E. Smith McKissick)
nickym@defenderservices.com (John McCarter)
and IPTAY JBARKER@CLEMSON.EDU
PTERRY@CLEMSON.EDU
berthso@clemson.edu
mahonyr@clemson.edu
cbussey@clemson.edu
jwhite@clemson.edu
wjennes@clemson.edu
jcouch@clemson.edu
dunham@clemson.edu
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But Harper is a kid Dr.B! He's a kid! We can't make him upset and take away his carries.
We might get a call from his parents! Oh no! We don’t want that!
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Course not, that would make me a mean overzealous fan
who is delusioinal and expects Clemson to go 14-0 every year.
by DrB on Oct 9, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I need a phone number to call.
Not one of those dumbass help lines either. I want to give the Clemson management a piece of my mind.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
This really pisses me of the most...
Has Ellington’s performance over the first four games caused you to re-evaluate the distribution of carries at running back?
POWELL: “Not really. Jamie Harper didn’t play as well this game as he’d liked to have played. We all know Jamie can make plays. Andre played 42 plays. I’m not sure he can play 62 plays. So whether it’s 1A and 1B – you start giving him 50-something plays, I think you’ll get diminishing results. We’re going to keep it the way it is.”
First part sounds like he is his agent not his coach.
Second part, lets find out idiot.
My wife really got tired of me yelling at the TV this time.
They don't care about winning.
They don’t give a shit. It’s the same old formula. Do the same fucking thing that you did in the previous game. Ram the same game plan up their ass over and over again to see if it works and when it doesn’t, blame the players. It’s not our fault that the team wasn’t prepared. It was the players.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
We were outplayed , out coached , and
under prepared and I think our staff took this game for granted . How stupid to keep running the SAME un- succesfull plays that we have tried to run all year . Andre Ellington should have run the ball ALL DAY LONG . And when can’t run anymore, put McDowell in , and when he can’t run anymore , try one of the damn cheerleaders !!! Please stop trying to convince us of how great KP is too….cause we’re not buying it anymore. When HE can’t get it done , give Boyd a go .
Please Tiger fans , start inundating the BOT , so we can get this problem fixed from the top down starting with Barker , then Phillips , then…………..
A thought
Anyone else think that South Carolina morphing into a successful program could be a good thing for us? Obviously in the immediate short-term it’s going to hurt as far as bragging rights, prestige, recruiting, etc, but maybe a very successful Carolina is the kick up the ass both Clemson fans and administration need to get this football program back on track. Not saying I necessarily think that and I don’t really want USC to be successful but who know what it will take, at this point, to get things back on track….
Everything about the game has pretty much been covered, but I just wanted to say one thing. Parker took a lot of shit today for his performance but I thought he played pretty damn well, just never had the opportunities to go downfield and still had some bad drops. I thought he did a fine job today, much better than last week.
Parker was fine today
he was pretty accurate overall. I thought he missed a few open guys in his checkdowns and reads, but his accuracy on the throws he made were quite good.
And the OL did a jam-up job giving him time.
Clemson fans are the ones we need to motivate.
If we lose to USC again this year, we might get a new coach. Jim Harbaugh, Kirby Smart, the DC at Texas… are all available
by 007Tiger on Oct 9, 2010 11:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Right now I'd go for Harbaugh
but honestly, i dont see Clemson fans wising up enough to get rid of Dabo for a 5-7 season. Theyll pressure him to fire Steele and/or Napier and then give him a reprieve.
Of course we couldve had Patterson if we’d been willing to pay big boy money.
I think UGA will be after Harbaugh if they let Richt go.
Ummm
That would mean spending some serious money, right?
Yeah, that could happen.
by A Balrog of Morgoth on Oct 10, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I wanted Patterson badly, big fan of his, but
I was under the impression that he turned down the offer to interview with us. Of course I dont know the ins and outs of what exactly happened but everything that I read said he flat out refused us.
TDP called him and talked to him
our sources said that TDP threw out a number, like 2.5 mil.
Patterson said something to the effect of “nice try, talk to me when you want to get to big boy numbers”
This fucking offense is ridiculous , both scotts and napier need to go . If dabo proves himself by swinging that axe then he can return also.
by 5knklshfl on Oct 10, 2010 12:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
This fucking offense is ridiculous , both scotts and napier need to go . If dabo proves himself by swinging that axe then he can return also.
by 5knklshfl on Oct 10, 2010 12:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sadly
Ben Tilman does not read the U.S. News and World Report College issue.
by A Balrog of Morgoth on Oct 10, 2010 12:26 AM EDT reply actions
I agree 100% and then some with this editorial.
In addition to Powell’s stupid comments about equal time for Harper & Ellington, Napier had this to say after the Miami game about why it took him so long to dump Dye & Ashe:
Napier: “One of the things you’ve gotta make sure you understand is that you’ve got some veterans that have been around and worked their butts off and deserved an opportunity,” Napier said. “Giving them a chance, ‘Hey, go earn it,’ in terms of team chemistry and morale and all that.”
Oh really Billy? Does it help the team chemistry and moreale to lose games because you’re bet on playing lame seniors? Does it help team chemistry & morale for the players to know that you don’t play the best man? Does that motivate young guys (or the older guys) to work harder?
You know what sucks? Those of us who graduated from Clemson, love Clemson and want Clemson to be a top tier team. But the administration graduated from other schools and don’t love Clemson like we do. It’s just a job to them. They don’t give a shit. Is there any self-respecting FBS football school in the country who would hire position coaches to be head coach and OC? No way. It’s fucking disgrace.
Anybody looking forward to playing SCar this year?
We're going to get blown out by USuC, NCSU, and FSU
We may be competitive against GT and BC.
We will be competitive against Maryland and Wake Forest. Hopefully.
4-8 on the year?
Imagine that you're the OC... and...
Imagine you played Auburn and your RBs did this:
Ellington: 22/140, 6.4YPC
Harper: 19/44, 2.3YPC
But you dismiss the results and you evenly split carries versus Miami and your backs do this:
Ellington: 17/107, 6.3YPC
Harper: 18/57, 3.2YPC
Naturally when you play UNC, you’d give Ellington a bigger share of the carries, right? Not if you’re Billy Napier. You do this:
Ellington: 12/55, 4.6YPC
Harper: 11/27, 2.5YPC
I'm not so sure it's ALL Billy
We just don’t know how much Dabo is calling plays. Many people (with careers in football) say that Billy knows what he’s doing and is a power running I formation guy. Dabo is the spread and throw guy.
Well if that’s true, Dabo has a LOT of influence on the offense.
WE NEED AN OFFENSIVE OVERHAUL. Our base attack has no rhyme or reason. We do not run plays to set up plays. We don’t establish an identity in games, we don’t have a plan that works (except Auburn), and we don’t get the ball to our best player (Ellington).
The sad thing is...
there is nothing those of us who have realized the truth can do except bitch on these message boards about it. The admin of CU only cares about the US News ranking and being the feel good story of college football where the players and coaches are in church every Sunday, everyone can come have a good time, and visiting fans can help themselves to our tailgating food. If this were not true, the hiring of Tommy’s WR coach and retention of most of that failing staff would not have been allowed.
How much of Dabo and Napier’s success last year was just from #28 making plays in light of piss poor strategic game plans. I’ve thought that this year would tell us if Dabo was really the answer and the results thus far are not good.
We are stuck with 2-3 starts and Emerald Nut Bowls if we are lucky for at least 2 more year, and I am not sure that it will get any better if they do clean house because of the MO of the people making the hires.
Clemson is “getting what it deserves”.
Getting what they deserve, and what they paid for.
Went the cheap route, just like government contracts, and left wondering why they get shitty results.
It is what it is, therefore.....
They ought to let Tajh Boyd get a lot more snaps in now…given that Kyle P is off to MLB next semester! (so they say), we ought to let the kid get more experience….after all, its going be really hard to win the ACC now….unless everyone else just collapses
I think that would be mailing it in
I still want to win every game. Starting Tajh would not give this team the best shot to win this season.
I understand the sentiment, but dont think that would be fair to Kyle, this team, the fans, or even Tajh.
Not going to happen. Clemson's going to lose every game because of shitty coaching
no matter who’s playing QB. Might as well get the future of the program warmed up and some experience.
KP was throwing duck after duck out there. Something is wrong. Did you not see him? He couldnt even get the ball half way across the field on that 2 point conversion. Then he throws a whopping 30 yard hail mary. He also badly missed wide open mcneal in the endzone. He’s not the same guy that he was. Boyd can do better.
No, Boyd cannot do better
I have seen enough of Boyd to know that. KP did alot of good things yesterday, his coaches let him down.
That's what the problem is to begin with
I think people should be more concerned about what is good for the program instead of worrying about what is “fair” to a player that is going to leave after two years. I have never been impressed with him anyways. We should be playing Tajh. At a minimum after KP’s second int last week Tajh should have been taking the snaps!
by WinchesterVAtigeR on Oct 10, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
what ? FAIR ? You don't think it's fair ?
You’re shitting me. Seriously ? You don’t think it’s “fair” to Kyle ? I agree with Jeff B. Good God, Spurrier went to the other extreme and yanked Garcia after he fumbled the ball against Auburn (debatable decision). And no one in their right mind would think Parker is as good a runner or passer as Garcia. Not even a close comparision. Then again, sitting Parker out might be a moot point since he seems rather fragile and he’ll likely get knocked out for a game or two.
We all admire Parker’s athletic skills and the exciting baseball season this past year, but that doesn’t translate to being a good football QB at this level.
And you’re not suggesting we continue to play him the entire game just because he decided to return to Clemson football this Fall instead of leaving for Colorado, taking a pay cut in the process ?
a qb change would be the exact same shit tommy bowden pulled , blame the qb thats the problem . thats bullshit and you know it , the real problem is the game plan and prep. fix those problems and the talent should speak for it self . look at the previous unc game to this and what is the major difference ? coaching if you have not figured it out already . clemson is stagnant due to coaching and unc has made drastic improvements due to coaching . if you do not believe it the two products were on the field yesterday and what was the out come.
Really?
IIRC, Tommy’s problem was sticking with an injured/shell-shocked starter instead of playing his backup.
by A Balrog of Morgoth on Oct 10, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
TB Problem
Promises at recruiting time but man enough to keep them but it had consequences.
We all have a TB moment he made us mad. Mine when he gave the ball to CJ over Chad Jasmine in the Carolina game in Death Valley. He taught Dabo to ride the horse you choes rather than the Spurrier route of just play the best. He left Whitehurst in when he should have been pulled. Thus Dabo left Parker in at Auburn. Dabo created his Parker problem. It will be intresting if he follows suit with his Willie Korn moves with Parker
Tiger Rat in 68
Tiger Grad in 73
CU Fan forever
What did you expect?
You took a coach from what you wanted to change from and got you where you are and promoted him to head coach with no experience and surrounded him with a want to be OC and Co – defensive DC from Ala. Umm you expected the bubble screen to go away and play calling to significanlty change. The only change is in leadership style or hype. As I expected we are right back where we were facing Md when we fired Bowden. All Dabo did was get them to win the right game last year and rode the back of CJ and Ford and somehow got Kyle Parker thinking he is an NFL QB. Yoour comments are well articulated however the top of the atheletic program is TDP. Yes Clemson took the affordable route. No we should not have fired Bowden mid season. No we can not afford a top 10 head coach but we deserved better than this. This loss and these rants on chat lines will kill recruiting and thus the program will begin to feel the real reversal of the Bowden firing starting now.
Tiger Rat in 68
Tiger Grad in 73
CU Fan forever
"the program will begin to feel the real reversal of the Bowden firing starting now"
Maybe you haven’t been watching the same team I have for the last year and a half??
by WinchesterVAtigeR on Oct 10, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is us wanting to wait
One of the reasons I like this site is that the writers tell you their opinion and do not deviate. I don’t always agree with everything said (like firing Leggett), but these writers love Clemson. What they are saying is correct, if we put up with that display yesterday we are not going to compete for anything. To change coaches now (at the end of the season) makes the most sense for us to be good in the long run. If we put up with the performance yesterday where our players look crappier than they are, we won’t be good for a minimum of 5 years (1.5 to 2.5 more years for Dabo and then the possibility of his replacement being good 2.5 or 3.5 years after that).
I know it is hard to see anything positive out of a performance like this...
But Da’Quan Bowers is a man. just makes things happen.
Also, all of the UNC fans I was talking to in our section thanked me for the win and told me that we gave it away. I have to say that UNC had some great fans who were respectful and made sure I had a great time. Would definitely go back, and I hope everyone else who was in attendance had a similar experience.
Not a Parker fan
I agree with most of the critisisms, especially with Swinney and Napier. But you have to include Parker in a truthful critisism. Personally, I wish Kyle was practising baseball in Colorado right now.
A few observations—
1— He can’t run. And he’s apprehensive to even try to run. He’s not especially tough, so I can understand his apprehension to run.
2—He’s horribly inaccurate much too often and it doesn’t make up for the times he is accurate. He’s like a golfer that hits a great tee shot then shanks the next one out of bounds. The bad shot heavily outweighs the good one.
3—He fumbles.
Guys, he’s a great story. He’s on a baseball team that made it the final four. Two sport athletes are always exciting to hear about. Just to be able to be considered as the starting QB, in addition to being a stand out baseball player is impressive. But face it. He’s extremely mediocre. Disagree ? Compare him to other teams’ QBs. Of course he’s not in the league of the QBs from OSU,Auburn, BSU, Oregon, Arkansas, Bama, etc. Not remotely close. How about 2nd tier teams ? How about our rival Gamecocks ? Nope, not even close to Garcia.
Over the next few weeks, there will be some shake ups in the Big 12 and SEC. Auburn, LSU, Ok St., Neb, OK, Mizz are all undefeated and it’ll be interesting to see who emerges at the top. ( I bet it’s not Auburn) And frustratingly for Clemson fans, anyone watching will be seeing better quality QB play from most of these teams.
So yes, give the ball to Ellington more.
And a little off the Parker topic but somewhat related——For the love of God, NO MORE idiotic and amateur attempts by the coaches to move down the field when there’s less then a minute to go in the first half. Didn’t you braindead idiots learn from the Auburn game that we DO NOT have the QB or the receivers to attempt something so high risk/low reward ? YOU lost the game. Auburn’s late first half TD is the most unnecessary and preventable TDs by an opponent that I can recall. It’s something a child would do. Mister “all in” went all in with his 3 2 offsuit. (poker reference)
Just like a child might go for a first down when it’s 4th and 5 from their own 30 because well, he can’t really see the bigger picture and doesn’t understand the risk/reward ratio is out of his favor, trying to mount a 1 minute offense with Parker and our receivers from our own 30 is inexcusably ignorant of the game of football. And of course they tried it again against UNC proving the idiots don’t know how to learn from their obvious mistakes.
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