Game Thread for FSU @ Clemson, Nov. 7, 7:45pm
by DrB on Nov 7, 2009 3:13 PM EST
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Florida St. Seminoles at Clemson Tigers, Nov 7, 2009 7:45 PM EST
FSU: 4-4, 2-3 in the ACC.
Mickey Andrew's FSU defense is quite possibly the absolute worst in the entire country aside from recent 1-A addition Western Kentucky. Its certainly the worst one he's ever fielded in his tenure as a DC at Clemson and FSU. One item of worry is his announced retirement: Will it encourage his defense to play to their potential for the first time this year? They still have young guys with alot of potential over there, many of them more highly rated recruits than ours.
I think its more likely Clemson's offense shits the bed. FSU's defense is truly horrible and might play a little better, but emotion and effort is not the problem in Tallahassee, technique is. Kyle Parker should not have difficulties finding guys open downfield and considering our pass-blocking so far, I expect him to have ample time to throw against this FSU D-line. The only question is whether he's going to use his head and not throw balls away too early or give up easy turnovers.
FSU runs a defensive scheme that has never ever been very complex: 2-man, 2-zone, and Robber. More zone than in the past because they suck at man coverage, which itself is affected by their poor pass rush. Its a basic 4-3 Stack and Under front system. They blitz quite a bit. Thus, it surprises me that they are this bad. It is not hard to teach.
We've previewed FSU's offense, and there isnt much else to say that I didnt cover there. Clemson's secondary is the best they've faced so far this year. UNC did ok against them in the first half and stopped the running game before injuries sidelined two of their LBs, and we will have to shut that down and make their offense one-dimensional. Its impossible to shut down Ponder and do the opposite, he's too skilled a QB. Pay no attention to the rib injury, this guy will play. My only expectation is fewer called QB Draw plays and Zone Reads than what they would run with him on a good ankle.
Their running game has potential and given the penchant by our LBs to overpursue and take bad angles at the POA, we could be gashed a few times. If they could play defense, their rushing stats would likely be better, as they've had to throw to keep themselves in games. Watch the FSU play-action game as well.
I expect Clemson to play Robber Defense against pro formations with Brandon Maye spying Ponder, though I also expect Maye to charge up the wrong gap and be left behind a few times. Cover 2 Matchup Robber is possible but will likely just be a basic Cover 2 Zone and 2-Man, out of Nickel and Dime defense. Given their speed and depth at WR, good Man coverage may only be possible for our 2 Cornerbacks and McDaniel.
Some press has been about Bowers, but his backup has more tackles per play average than he does.
Clemson's defense has not allowed more than 2 TDs at home this year. TCU scored once set off by a freak play and BC would not have scored if not for a fumble by Ellington and a missed assignment by McDaniel. CCU would not have scored against the first team defense.
On special teams, we're both average at coverage but we are considerably better at returns with Spiller and Ford. We will need Zimmerman to have a good day to pin them back and make their offense execute. Give them a short field with turnovers and we're in big trouble.
Feel free to comment throughout the games today and tonight.
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WOO PIG SUUEY
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Meanwhile, TardNet calls it a fluke occurance and deems the “gimmic Flexbone” a one-year wonder, even when Navy almost beat Ohio State in Columbus.
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by DrB on Nov 7, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly why I try to stay away from the t-net board.
Flex/Veer offenses require excellent fundamentals, coordination, and discipline to run. Gimmic my ass, championship squads have been running some variation of this offense for 30-40 years.
Good riddens to Noter Dame’s BCS talk. War the Irish getting rolled up again this year.
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Stanford beats Oregon
Boise State is screwed and TCU in the drivers seat now for a BCS game.
Watch USC back into another Pac 10 Title
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If FSU can keep on running the ball like this, FSU is really dangerous
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I kept watching games today praying to see Cherry in and early game.
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take the penalty or make them kick now?
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dont like it
make em kick from where they are
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by DrB on Nov 7, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Win for the defense to hold them on a short field, now waitin for the offense to come out and shit the bed.
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play calling has been conservative (maybe swinney/napier share your concerns)
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I don't think you really wanted to give FSU another shot (even if it is 10 yrds further back)
FSU is too good offensively
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wtf is rendrick taylor doing in motion and on the field here?
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of course, go hogs
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by DrB on Nov 7, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
think spurrier will come back for more after this season?
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not after the next 2 losses
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by DrB on Nov 7, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
may as well be the wild west at this point...shootout is on
FSU would be hell on wheels if it had half a defense
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shit. nice play fake. This looks like it will be a 40-45 game when its all said and done
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where the fuck was he throwing the ball?
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go for 2 now?
I might think about kicking the xtra point
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i think i would take the XP here too
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by DrB on Nov 7, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
couldn't see it, looked like the ball was just behind the receiver
I wish ESPN would replay these things a couple times
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no doubt...still say the pass interference was BS
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nice pick, did not expect a mistake like that from ponder tonight
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Get in teh fucking I formation and pound this fucker
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what got into Dye this week?
Parker has not gotten flustered under pressure
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the whistle blew. fucking mcclain cant do his job
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Fucking 4 inch line
if we lose a close game its all on that possession
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we cant pay attention to the snap count
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FSU is eating us up up front
why is rob spence calling the plays?
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how do you miss this?
first on the goal line, then we cannot kick the field goal
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Halftime adjustments?
Chill this team out. Defense is antsy and missing assignments up front, taking bad angles and missing tackles on the backs.
Run the damn football.
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Clemson has to hit Ponder every chance it gets
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not having to punch it in in the red zone?
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they look like they are about to break one every time on kick coverage
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I see us changing coverages
and blitzing more? agree?
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thank goodness...they had that screen set well
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we were playing soft on all those 3rd downs
we shouldve brought pressure but if we cant play man we’re screwed
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well, with butler and chancelor out, it doesnt look too good
still have to get after their ass because Ponder will kill you if you let him sit back there
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how are they looking tonight?
i dont get the game here, so i have to watch the box score, but that doesnt really tell the whole story normally
hopefully spiller is not hurt (hamstring?)
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cannot freaking line up properly...piss poor
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we are killing ourselves. Can we make a field goal?
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Your defense is so well coached - doesn't miss tackles.
The difference between your defense and your offense is night and day.
deserve to lose this game for shooting ourselves
defense looks frustrated and losing composure, offense is a clusterfuck
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Ponder hung that ball
And I’m going to put my foot in Hall’s ass for that.
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apparently hall has about as much confidence in our offense scoring as we do
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piss poor kicking. I can kick extra points
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get her in touch with swinney for some pads, i guess...our kickers havent done
shit tonight
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We should be ahead by one TD minimum
2 TDs if we didnt keep fucking ourselves
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3 missed extra points 2 missed field goals. we are lucky
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Haha.
Only you two guys watching the game? Funny.
I heard that Tommy Bowden sent a couple of spies to our team and hid them within our special teams unit.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Clemson wins in the orange pants again vs a good team
finally after 10 years, doing honor to the orange
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Our defense won this game
Little bit of a questionable decision keeping CJ Spiller out on the field with his injury, but the bottom line is that ever since Dabo became head coach, our defense has taken a elite step forward. For the first time in a long time, our defense seems to be able to step up when it counts and not only deliver good hits, but create turnovers.
That and Kyle Parker is going to be a good one. He still has a lot to learn, but he plays like a pro.
I fully expect for our high standard recruiting to go back to normal next year. Some players were a little nervous making a commitment to a new coach, but surely after this year people will see that Dabo has the ability to get the job done, and we should get a full filling of 4 star recruits.
1st time we’ve beaten Miami and Florida State in a while too.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Night game excitement I'm sure.
Plus it looked really bad for us for awhile.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Not to mention this team is starting to smell like Tampa
This game is something to really build on. Of course, the kicker has to actually put balls between uprights now and then. I wonder though, was it the kicker, the snapper, or the holder, or some combination of the three? Some of those snaps really looked wild at times.
Also, if there had been another offsides call on that one series, Parker could have done a kneeldown for 6. And of course we came away with 0 points. Fortunately it didn’t kill us.
Fans run onto the field at Clemson after every game
Clemson is one of the few schools that excourages people on the field after all games.
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They actually didn't tonight.
There was a sign that said stay off the field. It went well.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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