Conversation with Tomahawk Nation
In this Q&A we have FSUncensored of Tomahawk Nation as our guest blogger. Our thanks go out to him for helping us get exposure for the new site. He's always been our greatest supporter. Below you'll find answers on why FSU has struggled this year, the Chest/Fisher escapade, and why Jenn Sterger had a brain fart and removed her breast implants, destroying erections everywhere. You can find our answers to their questions here.
FSU has been able to keep defenses fairly honest with their rushing game. I have noticed a lot of big plays/highlights coming off of play action and have heard the gusy at Tomahawk talk about even running a few screens off of PA. How important is this to their offense and how important is it for the Seminoles to have some success running the football to set these types of plays up?
As you noted in your excellent preview of our offense, Fisher will take what an opposing defense gives them. A lot of teams elect to play soft 2 or 3 against the 'Nole's offense, because they are scared of FSU's 4 very capable wideouts. In those situations, Fisher will run the ball on them, and when he expects them to creep up from the soft alignments, he will do the PA stuff. FSU hasn't abandoned the run all year, as he's called 28, 49, 22, 28, 28, 23, and 33 run plays in their 7 D1 games. FSU has run the ball well in most games, and has really run it well of late, (GTech: 28 for 193), UNC: 23 for 53 (included is a -14 yard reverse though, which obviously counts.) We used the run game early to keep them honest later., and NC State: 33 for 277. Note that I take out sacks when calculating run numbers, because it's really a failed pass play.
Also, wouldn't you think that Fishers ability to stay patient and take what the defense gives you/play to strong suits combined with FSU's offensive talent make Clemson's degense lose some aggression?
Yes. I do think Clemson should play off and hit FSU's wideouts. The only things that has stopped FSU this year are 1) Ponder's MCL injury in the USF & BC games, and receiver fumbles (also BC and USF). Fisher doesn't get over-anxious with his playcalling and neither does Ponder. That's remarkable to me because FSU's defense is so shitty that they are often behind. Sometimes the wideouts have pressed, however, trying to take a simple hitch and make something out of it that simply is not there. Wideouts have had 8 fumbles lost, though none in the last two games if my memory serves. However, when FSU holds onto the ball, it can be pretty frustrating for the opposing defense, and then I guess the ball is back in Kevin's court. Will he risk FSU going downfield and screening Clemson to death?
Who has had the most success defending your offense? Why?
USF and BC. I fashioned this handy chart for you:
Opponent Miami BYU USF BC Ga Tech UNC N
Opponent Miami BYU USF BC GT NC NCSU Plays 71 77 64 71 66 65 73 Yards per play allowed 5.7 6.6 4.5 6.8 8.2 6.7 7.6 Rushes 28 49 22 28 28 23 33 Yards/rush allowed 4.5 6.4 2.8 2.9 6.9 2.3 8.4 Passing Plays 43 28 42 43 38 42 40 Yards pass/allowed 6.4 7.1 5.4 7.7 9.1 9.2 6.9
5.7 yards per play (400 yard pace) against everyone except USF. 6.6 (460 yard pace @ 70 plays) against 4 teams, and a 530 yard yard pace in the last two. So what happened against USF (7-17 home loss)?
First, Ponder had an MCL sprain and was kinda hobbling around. Second, receiver fumbles. Third, when the offense doesn't convert on the goal line, the defense should get you the ball back in realistic field position. That did not happen, as USF had a 99 yard drive for TD on the ensuing possession. So FSU had 1st half drives of 79, 43, and 39 yards, and 200 yards total in the 1st half, with no points. Fourth, Jason Pierre-Paul. He's the best player we've faced all year (Allen Bailey of Miami was close). Mel Kiper moved the relatively unknown Juco product up to 10th on his big board, and the kid is only a junior. He was unblockable and it was the best defensive performance I've seen against the 'Noles since the early decade Miami teams picked on Chris Rix and co. USF rushed 4 and got there. FSU came in overconfident and then sleptwalked thorough the game. This was USF's biggest game in their history and the intensity levels were not comparable. They didn't blitz much and played a lot of cover-2.
Essentially, USF played the perfect game of their lives on defense.
I dont understand how Mickey's defense can be as BAD as it is. Its the worst I've ever heard of FSU having. What is the major malfunction?
Ok, check out how bad they are: http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/11/2/1110686/florida-states-defense-the-cure 98th in the country is just not acceptable. So what has happened? They are too small. Mickey is still playing a bunch of cover-1 and cover-0, and they've never been a good zone team. The defensive ends are coached by a former wide receiver who never coached or played defense before Bowden hired him to replace the universally highly regarded Jim Gladden (the man behind the terrors off the edge for many years). Amato is more concerned with screwing with Jimbo Fisher than he is coaching the linebackers. He implemented the freedom system which just tells the backers to go make plays. As you might expect, a system which encourages FSU's guys to be more undisciplined has failed miserably. Nobody plays with anything even resembling decent technique. Fundamentals are completely absent. Linebackers don't take good angles. Other teams have figured out FSU's signals (my opinion). Andrews hasn't wanted to coach since his son's suicide (and who can blame him) and he didn't want the aforementioned coaches! Coaches who don't want to coach, refusing to adapt, and players who don't buy into the garbage the lame duck coaches are selling, and you get FSU's defense.
I will say that they do play really hard, however, which is scary.
Why does K. Mangum start? He's absolutely awful, and a senior? I think a monkey can do better in pass coverage.
I think it's an evil plan between Amato and Bowden to make Jimbo crack and Kill someone, thus costing himself the shot at the job. Mangum knows some of the assignments, which is better than some others can say, but he is definitvely the worst starter at FSU since 1980, and it is not even remotely close. I know for a fact that the offensive coaches tried to repeatedly embarrass him in fall camp to have Mickey bench him and he just wouldn't. Andrews is a great man but he is in love with Senority.
Whats the story at Defensive End with Jody Allen? They have horrible discipline and they never hold their containment. These guys would be 3rd stringers here.
Ah yes, Allen, our defensive ends coach who was selected to replace possibly the best ends coach in the game (Gladden). The players think he is a racist. He won't take advice from Gladden, who graciously offers it if asked. Allen never played defense at any significant level. His practice antics make everyone uncomfortable. Everette Brown ended up teaching our defensive ends last season
What adjustment has Andrew's made schematically to make up for these issues? What can be done when you suck at pretty much every position, aside from one or two good players?
Um, does blitzing everyone into the same gap count? No? That doesn't work? Oh. Hmm. They tried to play some more cover 2 and cover 3 and that was a colossal failure. The defense is really too small to play anything that doesn't involve 8 men in the box, which creates somewhat predictable coverages. The frustrating thing is that while I have been screaming for some adjustments in the past, there are few schematic adjustments I feel this staff can make because they can't or won't teach it. They need to bench Mangum and the upperclassmen who have zero shot to play next season (though some do).
Chuck Amato was once a good recruiter, once a pretty good position coach, but I dont understand what has failed for him since being back at FSU, any ideas what happened to him?
It's all about Chuck's Ego
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He bounces around practice, doing everything but his job. He gets into multiple confrontations with other coaches (some physical). As noted above, the freedom system destroyed the work done by Steele, and I thought Steele had our backers taking good pursuit angles. Amato doesn't have these guys keying anything and they definitely don't take good angles. Plus, like Allen, I think the players know he's toast.
I heard the other day that Jenn Sterger had a breast reduction......GOD WHY?
I always thought Sterger was a bigger deal to other schools than she was to FSU. But I hope she hasn't lost that great set! Ok, upon some investigation:
Actually the article about Sterger's breast implant removal is in the Dec 2009 Cosmo magazine. I dont wanna know how Figurefour found that out. Someone clearly screwed up, I thought Cosmo was supposed to have "how to make him go crazy in bed", not "how to make him go limp by removing two perfectly constructed breasts."
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Question for FSUncensored if he's around
What do you make of these comments from that same Smart Football post that DrB linked earlier?
Some coaches are fine with being only "good" at what they do. Take what I’ve seen of Florida State recently. I like Jimbo Fisher and think he calls a great game, but I don’t think his offenses — either at LSU or his current one at FSU — is particularly great at any one thing. He has a lot of concepts but few of them, especially in the passing game, seem to flow into and out of one another in the same way that, say, June Jones’s do at SMU, Mike Leach’s at Texas Tech, or Joe Tiller’s did back in his early Purdue days.
I’ve heard similar things said about Rich Rodriguez’s passing game before. The knock on him was that while his running game was robust and highly conceptual, his passing game was mostly just a collection of routes.
Is it really Ponder that makes this engine go? How did Weatherford handle Fisher’s system? My memory of recent FSU seasons isn’t as strong as my memory of Clemson’s, for obvious reasons. :-p
by OrangeBritches on Nov 6, 2009 8:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Weatherford, Fisher, Ponder
This is Jimbo Fisher’s third year at FSU. When he took over Jeff Bowden had left him nothing. The OL was in shambles and FSU was lucky to even field an OL starting 5 that was only mediocre. FSU struggled between who would start that year (2007) between Weatherford or Lee. That year Weatherford broke the ACC record for most consecutive passes without an INT. Our offense however was only middle of the pack in the ACC because of the dearth of talent on the offense (plus Weatherford is a marginal D1 QB).
Last year Jimbo Fisher was the ACC Offensive Coordinator of the year as he led FSU to the highest scoring team in the ACC, this with a first year starter at QB and the youngest, smallest OL in the nation.
What you are seeing this year is the reaping of those growing pains. Fisher could have easily started the 4th year starter Weatherford and won us maybe a gmae or two more, but he didn’t. He knew this was an investment. Plus he knew the potential in Ponder and also needed the more mobile guy behind that young, small OL. What you have on this offense now is an extremely intelligent QB (graduated with his Bachelors in 2.5 years and will be finished with his Masters in the Spring). with good-to-great mobility and an NFL arm behind an OL that took their lumps last year. Our RB’s are making enough plays (Thomas is now fully healthy and it showed in the NCST game) plus blocking well enough. Our WR’s are more consistent this year and, luckily for us, have been keeping their nose clean!
So to get to your questions. Fisher did have a mess he came into his first year with Weatherford but last year we did have the number 1 scoring offense in the ACC with the ACC’s OC of the year. This year, according to the FEI ratings, we are the number 3 offense in the nation. We returned a lot this year. Actually, if I was Clemson, I’d be more concerned with what this offense will look like next year. We return 20 of our 22 in the two-deep next year.
With that said, I still expect FSU to lose in a shootout. Something like 42-35. Our defense is just too embarassing this year.
by s_barrow1 on Nov 6, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have Rodriguez's 1999 Clemson playbook
and yes it isnt designed to attack downfield, some are just collections of routes, not all of which make great sense to me in stretching a defense
Shakinthesouthland.com-Clemson football analysis
by DrB on Nov 6, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
View Jimbo QB's as an extension of himself; view his offense like stacking dominos
Give Ponder credit for putting in the time in the off-season to really gel with his receivers while getting himself into top physical shape (apparently, he holds the fastest shuttle time on the team and can bench 400)
However, when it comes down to game time, Fisher is the kind of coach who teaches you how to fish rather than fish for you.
For example, picture the 3 plays that Ponder can call @ the line like dominos. The defense can stack themselves to stop up to 2 of those dominos, but it is rare that they will be able to stop all 3—that is, all things being equal.
So suddenly, you have this bizzare string of dominos stacked up all down the field—not really making sense. Then Fisher dials in that one play that knocks them all down, and a big play breaks loose.
With what I just wrote, I would go to say that Fisher’s playbook, though conceptually difficult, is rather simple in its fundamental execution, as he prefers to rely on the intelligence of his QB. This gives FSU a flexibility that many teams lack—and when you watch our offense perform, you will notice how fluid it is in its motion; its either rhythmically clicking away, or its festering.
Sorry for the long-winded-ness, but I’m kind over people talking crap about his offenses cause they aren’t flashy. He gets the job done again and again, using such simple concepts that it just frustrates the hell out of the other team that they can’t stop it.
JF Offense, the offense of headaches
by Trus1te on Nov 6, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok this could take a while. I know Clemson week will have passed, but would you still be interested if I addressed this later?
by Bud Elliott on Nov 6, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
Doesn’t have any impact on the game, I’m just curious as to what you think about it.
by OrangeBritches on Nov 7, 2009 9:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

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