Previewing the FSU Offense
Having been at LSU while Fisher ran the offense to the 2003 national championship, I'm pretty familiar with what he likes to run out there. He's always been able to develop his quarterback into at least a solid, and potentially great, player under his tutelage (JaMarcus Russell, Patrick Nix, Matt Mauck) and Christian Ponder might be the best pure athlete he's had at the position. Make no mistake, Ponder is the center of this offense and is the key to limit as best as possible.
The Fisher offensive system is a pro-style spread, in that sense its the same as Clemson's, but this is a catch-all term. It is a system that uses considerably less pre-snap motion and more personnel groupings than what Clemson does. It is more multiple in formations: I-formation, offset I, Ace, Jumbo Ace (2TE-1RB-2WR), 3/4 wide shotgun, pistol...with liberal use of the H-back or a 2nd TE. Its not a system that is designed to dink & dunk you in a West-Coast style like Miami, but attacks all levels of the defense. He always took what the defense gave: if they can run, he'll run it. They'll throw it deep, intermediate, and short. Fisher did not run quite as many screens at LSU in my recollection, but it has been developed into a heavier screen offense to keep pressure off Ponder and force the defense to make plays in space: 37 times so far this year of all types (bubbles, tunnels/jailbreaks, cracks, and regular). However, its been inconsistent at times, which has helped lead to their record being so poor. Still, its ranked 25th nationally and put up 443ypg.
FSU this year has still been more of a passing team. FSU is 9th in the country at 307 yards per game. Christian Ponder (6-3, 217, Jr) is 206-297 (69.4%) for 2,453 yards, 13 touchdowns and only three picks. If he misses a throw, he misses it where NOBODY can catch it. Picks will be at a premium this week. He's extremely intelligent with the football, and makes many audibles and checks himself at the line, without looking at Jimbo. Ponder has also rushed for 166 yards and two touchdowns. He's not quite the runner so far that he's been in the past (hasnt had to be), and with bruised ribs and ankle, I'm not sure he'll run a zone read as much as Fisher would want to, after watching our film.
Their receivers catch more of their throws than Miami does, with 5 of them pulling in at least 25 receptions. Taiwan Easterling has been hot of late, but I believe Bert Reed and Rod Owens are the biggest threats.
Their running game, however, has been pretty average. Florida State is 74th in the NCAA and fifth in the ACC in rushing with 136.5 yards per game. FSU is a zone-blocking team, and run the same plays we do in that respect: inside zone, stretch/outside zones, shotgun/pistol zone plays and counters, with I-formation runs like the counter, iso and blast. Jermaine Thomas is the leading rusher but is a great receiver out of the backfield. They also run considerable play-action off of these, and run much more no-huddle than we have seen so far.
The OL is great at pass-blocking, even with 5-man protections, which in part has led to Ponder's decreased rushing and improved completion percentages, but Ponder doesnt hold onto the ball long. They handled UNC's front extremely well against the pass, and I would say, only given the superior talent and skills at LB for UNC, that their front 7 is better than Clemson's. On 42 passing plays, FSU allowed a sack on only 2 at UNC. If at any point you believe during this game that our DL isnt getting pressure, start counting seconds after the snap until Ponder gets rid of the ball. It wont be long. They are a bit small up front, but well coached and athletic. In run blocking, they are very average, probably due to their youth.
But, FSU has not faced a good secondary like Clemson sends out there. Our guys are faster, better coached, and more aggressive than UNC's. Now we'll look at a few of the plays you should see from FSU this weekend. From Kevin Steele:
Would you say they're pretty diverse with all the stuff they do on offense?
Steele: "Yeah. They're very multiple in their personnel groupings. They're multiple in their formation groupings. They've got the vertical passing game, the intermediate pass game, they throw a lot of screens and they create the two-back running game with the quarterback and tailback. They're about as diverse as you can get."
Does Christian Ponder remind you of any of the guys you've seen this year?
Steele: "No. He's a little bit different. He throws the ball like an NFL quarterback and runs it like a college option QB in the 70's and 80's, which is a rare thing now. He's a very gifted young man, very, very bright. I know him quite well."
"I recruited him, No. 1. I was in his home. I know what kind of young man he is. He's a bright person and has a lot of tenacity. He's very calm and has natural leadership qualities. He's a very special young man. He's what it's all about. I think he's working on his masters and he's just a junior. I wasn't working on my masters when I was a junior."
Is it hard to get to Ponder sometimes, given their quick passing game?
Steele: "You're not going to sack a quarterback when he throws 37 screens in four games. It's a rare occasion a quarterback is sacked on a screen. That's a another deal. You approach that totally different. When they go traditional, drop-back pass game, we have to do what we do, which is four-man rush, pressure and push the pocket in his lap and dial up the pressures when they need to be dialed up."
Who are some of the other guys that concern you other than Ponder?
Steele: "Their running back is a good player. He can hit the homerun. #38 can go the distance. No. 24 at fullback is a tailback. They can formation you with multiple tailbacks. The receivers, you have to know where No. 80 is. He's a big presence that makes big catches for them. No. 83 and 8 are the guys who are getting the reverses and the screens. Obviously you have to make sure you get those guys. The last couple of games for them, there has been a lot of tackling in space. They're going to get the ball in space, although they can and do throw it down the field effectively. A lot of that stuff is get the ball on the edge quickly with the bubble screen, reverses, option with the orbit over the top. If you tackle in space, you have a chance."
The Screen
-The screen is designed to do a few things: attack zone blitzes who give up something in underneath zones (nearly all zone blitzes are Cover 3), attack man coverage on blitzes, force the defense to tackle in open space, and, most importantly against Clemson, slow down the pass rush.
-Bubble screens: the slit or motion WR bubbles away from the QB, while the outside WR will come in to crack a slotman's defender to spring him. Some offenses will actually abort a running play and throw a bubble screen if the linebacker blitzes. The only players who make this judgment are the wide receivers and quarterback. The offensive linemen and backs actually go ahead and execute a running play.
-Jailbreak screen: WR comes in over the middle behind the linemen. It's called a jailbreak is because the offensive line releases automatically downfield to block, after chucking the DLinemen. The offensive tackle stays in and chops the DE to keep his hands down so that the ball can be thrown over the top of him. The offense uses a TE or wide receiver to go away from the line of scrimmage to pick the outside receiver's man.
-Crack screen: A killer against man coverage with a LB on the RB. In 4 wide shotgun, the slot WR would crack block the LB assigned to the back, while the outside WR would take an outside release vertically to draw his Corner away. The Nickelback or safety on the slot wouldnt recognize the play coming and wouldnt immediately pick up the back.
Theres no reason why you cant crack one side and run a bubble to the other, both are going to be high percentage passes. Then theres the usual screen play that sends a RB out with 2 OL in front of him. Usually a skilled DE can get off blocks and disrupt these plays by jumping/rushing into the throwing lanes, and with discipline can tell that the RB and OL are releasing and stop his rush to play the screen. Otherwise, there really is no trick to stopping a screen play for the defense.
Just hope you dont get caught in a blitz.
From Smartfootball, the bootleg play Jimbo ran against Miami.
The Smash pattern: A two-WR pattern where the inside/slot WR runs a 12 yd Corner route, and the outside receiver runs a 6yd hitch. Smash has become a go-to for attacking Cover 2 zone defenses, but also can attack man coverage. Against man to man defense to the short side of the field the depth of the corner route will be around 20 yards.
In this play, which worked to success against UNC, the QB has a simple progression read: 1. the Corner route, 2. the hitch, 3. underneath, keying the CB. If the cornerback sinks back to stop the corner route, throw the hitch; if he comes up for the hitch, corner route. In general, you take the corner route til the defense shifts to stop it.
In Cover 2, the CB usually takes a "flat" zone with safety help up top. He'll read both #1 and #2 to his side and gets sandwiched by both of these routes. If the corner comes up on the hitch, the outside WR will push to 6, turn inside, and work inside to the next zone hole. It puts pressure on the safety to that side to get over to cover the Corner route and if the defense "cheats" by telling him to shift over a few yards, then the middle of the field is open.
In combination with this pattern, the "divide concept" can be used. The safety may cheat over for the Smash, and the TE runs a skinny post down the middle. This way, the SS is caught in a pickle and must read the QB's eyes and be fast getting to whomever the ball is thrown to.
Here is the Double Smash against UNC.
To defend this, I think a defense must pattern-read or play great man/man defense. A possible 2nd adjustment is switching to Cover 3. Against man the corner route must be thrown well or its hard to hit because of the Safety/Nickel taking inside leverage on his receiver. However, it is not a CB on the slot WR, so it can give them a better matchup.
Pattern-reading is a technique used with matchup zone, which Clemson runs. Essentially, the defensive backs are taught all the possible combinations (patterns) an offense can run to each side of the field, based on the personnel grouping. It improves their instincts immensely. Once the defense recognizes Smash, they can react and make plays, and every pattern-read Cover 2 team will rep the Smash every day.
Looking at UNC, they are a blitz-happy Cover 1/2-Man under team like Clemson. They are ranked higher nationally, particularly against the run. FSU smashed them in the passing game. Clemson went to more matchup zone and less blitzing against Miami, and I expect that to occur Saturday night. Still, Miami put up 433 on us.
To defend against Ponder's ability to scramble, do not be surprised to see our usual Cover 1 "Robber" defense, where Maye will be, in effect, the spy watching Ponder and waiting for him. If our LBs and secondary have a good day, I think we can contain this offense well enough to win.
Other than the Miami game where you gave up a bunch of big plays, you haven't been troubled with that extensively this year.
Steele: "We've been pretty effective. I think we're in the top four or five teams in the country in allowed first downs. We're right at the 70-percent mark in getting off the field on third down, which that is the benchmark. We've done a good job of getting pressure on the QB. Our coverage has been good. Not since I've been coaching and one team had 80-something yards passing and another team had 25 and another team had 27 yards passing. Somebody out there is rushing the passer pretty good and somebody is matching those routes pretty good. Coach Harbison has done a good job of getting those guys in route recognition. (pattern reading)
"There are some things we have to keep getting better at. Every game will present its own problems. For example, you mentioned the TCU quarterback. The first time we saw that play was that day. It was very different. They ran it four times and he did a good job on it. We run it every week now in practice whether we see it or not. The first play of the game this week was the same play and I think it went for two yards. Sometimes you'll see things in this game you haven't seen before, because of all the pullers and motions and shifts. They're not going to go out there and do it perfect. If everybody's perfect, we wouldn't have a job."
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Great read
Despite the win, what Miami did to us is worrisome. No doubt, FSU presents even more problems. Maybe not as scary athletically, but their downfield passing game just looks so complex.
How do you think Bowers' injury affects us?
I’m kind of split on this. It will be tough to get any pressure on Ponder anyway for the reasons you stated (he’s smart, quick passing, etc.). I trust Goodman, Alexander, and Branch to play well.
But he’s been dominant on 3rd & long when we move him inside—the times when Ponder will need time. I think that may be where we miss him the most.
Given that we will likely pressure with the Down 4
quite a bit, I think we’ll miss him on 3rd downs, but i’m confident the backups can do the job.
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I think you will miss him quite a bit
I read somewhere that Ponder has the highest QB eff rating on 3rd down then any other QB in the nation. It would have been an interesting matchup.
Great stuff Doc
A few things, if I may…
Against Miami, #57 really had a great day against the run, and they gave us the pass more. We ran 28 times for 126 and threw 43 for 275 (including lost sack yardage)
Obviously we killed BYU, (54 points and 600+ yards).
But Ponder had a grade 2 MCL sprain after BYU and it showed against USF, big time. And that was a very strange game, we sleptwalked through it, 4 fumbles by wide receivers.
We had 411 yards on BC on 70 plays which is more than anyone had by a good bit.
And the run game seems to be coming back to life:
GTech: 28 for 193
UNC: 23 for 53 (included is a -14 yard reverse though, which obviously counts.) We used the run game early to keep them honest later.
NC State: 33 for277
I will say we really hit UNC when OLB Bruce Carter went down.
The only thing that has really held FSU back so far… wide receiver fumbles. Teams who have been extremely patient and played soft cover-3 and hit the wideouts often did well, except when we held onto the ball, and then they ended up getting hit.
throw out GT stats, lol
i think their defense is almost as bad as yours
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by DrB on Nov 5, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah it is pretty bad and getting progressively worse
But I think you underestimate just how bad FSU’s defense is.
The throwback screen off play action is new
We stole it from UNC I think. I like the play, and we run it to the track guy, but just haven’t blocked it well yet. Our like is so athletic, it’s a bit surprising because we’re a great screen team. We’ve run that one though, 3 or 4 times now, and either the guard or tackle have whiffed so far. Perhaps because it is new.
We ran it once against UNC I believe and multiple times vs. NCST
Every time we run it, it has been close to a big play with one missed block.
365 days, until I change my ways.
Ok I love this article so I'll keep going
2 of our backs played wideout in high school, so I suspect you’ll see more of the 2RB Gun than we normally run, hoping to match up with Clemson’s backers in coverage.
that would be a smart move IMO
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by DrB on Nov 5, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Also, I think we're a top 5 offense in the country.
I might be Bias, but these rankings agree: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/statistics/fei-ratings/2009
Essentially, we’ve set the season high against every defense we’ve faced other than USF.
We just haven’t played any cupcakes outside of Jax State in a monsoon
I think we run more key blitzes
than simple zone blitzes, its rare that i see any of our DL dropping into zone
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by DrB on Nov 5, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
maybe on 3rd downs some
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by DrB on Nov 5, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Props on the article
It’s really well thought out and includes a lot of the tendencies that we run here at FSU. As most of the country is now finding out Ponder has been unstoppable all year. He really hasn’t thrown many bad passes and as you pointed out when he misses it is a good miss i.e. in a area where no one can catch it. It’s a big worry of course that he is a bit banged up this week as his mobility is a huge asset to our offense. We should really know in the 1st quarter how bad it is by watching his range of motion and whether he shortens his pivot when he throws. Previewing our offense could probably take 2 articles, but our defense would take one paragraph. They are by far our weakest link and hopefully they can put something together although nothing this season has led me to believe they can. Good luck in the game on Saturday and keep up the good work over here at Shakin The Southland.
His 3 interceptions
1- throwaway at end of Miami 1st haf that he didn’t launch far enough.
2- tipped ball OL missed cut.
3- tipped ball, OL missed cut.
Exactly
It’s scary to think how good Ponder really has been. His reads and throws along with Fisher’s play calling are the only thing keeping FSU afloat this year. If not for 2 tipped balls last week he would still be sitting on 1 interception for the whole year.
Great article, guys
Jimbo loves those screens. Look for that jailbreak/middle screen to the WR to go to our #80 Fortson. Also, you’ll see a lot of the bubble that often go to #83 or #8. We love the way Jimbo bases his offense around taking what the defense gives him…it’s very adaptable. Ponder not being 100% limits us, though, and you guys have a very good defense. I think you guys will probably beat us by a couple of scores.
>>---l>
25th is Deceptive, and #80 and #38 are the biggest threats to your success
Much like FSUn stated, our schedule has been rather tough; and we have the worst possible day for each defense less USF and the J-State game…
But to add one point to that—FSU is either kicking your ass or shooting themselves in the foot offensively; if your D-Line is anything like USF’s, you might get a good laugh at our “highly touted offense”.
However, if you can’t get that inside penetration with the DE outside contain—you are in for a VERY long night.
This game, for FSU—is gong to rely a lot on whether SO Jarmon Fortson (#80) and SO Jermaine Thomas (#38) come to play. With Ponder’s ability to read defenses—he will find the open guy, and the two guys you will have issues with in space are Fortson and Thomas.
Also, Chris Thompson might find his way into the lineup if you all struggle up the middle; he has great presence between the tackles and 4.4 speed.
So I’m done poring the Kool-aid down your throat; I just hope this is a great game and not one-sided (meaning—ure offense destroys our -efense, and your Defense destroys our offense)
GO NOLES :)
I take exception to saying our offense has been "inconsistent"
We have moved the ball consistently against every single opponent, turnovers are the only things that have kept our point total down against a few opponents.
As FSUn said, taking total yards per game to rate where an offense is pretty irrelevant because it doesn’t take into account opponents and takes into consideration garbage time possessions. Over at TN we’re big advocates of the FEI rankings that fix these things, and they have us at #3 nationally on offense. I honestly do not doubt that for a second. As a corollary, our running game has been better than the numbers might indicate, and if we really want to run it against you we’ll do it. We have not had the luxury of playing with a lead most games so we’re usually throwing it around to catch up – surprisingly still with success. I’m sure we won’t run that much on your D, but it’ll be because (hopefully) we won’t have to other than to keep you honest. Bubbles also work great as an extension to the running game and although they don’t go to the running totals Jimbo views them as runs.
The biggest thing is, however, is that FEI have us at #98 on D and I think we’re way too low. We’re easily the worst defense of any team in a BCS conference (except maybe Wash St, man they’re bad)
Other than that, good preview and I’m pretty sure you guys will beat us on Saturday. Our defense is just too inept.
Wish I was as confident as y'all
Not that I don’t think we have a good enough team to win (and perhaps by 2 scores), I’ve just been down this road too many times.
We're not confident of the outcome, just how good our offense is playing.
Everyone has been saying they expect us to lose.
365 days, until I change my ways.
Yeah we aren't confident
I predict a 38-31 Clemson win with Spiller amassing 250 total yards. Our defense is horrific.
Is TomahawkNation
taking over the Clemson site? I’d be tempted to bet on the over on Spiller and 250 total yards
by ncarolinanole on Nov 5, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Nahhhh
we’re not taking it over. Just passionate about our team, plus this is some excellent breakdown from Doc.
Sorry
I meant that I’m not as confident in a Clemson win as y’all are in a Clemson win. I’m nervous as hell about this game, though y’all have chalked it up as an L.
Anyone's Guess
Forget the FEI stuff. Our defense is ranked 115 out of 120 teams. There is no lack of talent there. We have guys with speed and guys who were highly touted recruits. The only way anyone can explain it is bad coaching on the D-side of the ball. I think there’s some things Mickey Andrews can do to improve the performance. Whether he will or not is yet to be seen.
On the offensive side, you should expect maybe 10 runs and 2 end arounds for the whole game. FSU has a small line and has not been able to run the ball against a quality defense all year. We have fast and very talented backs. Our small OL is just better at pass blocking (moving backward) than they are at run blocking (moving forward).
FSU is about 30 seconds away from being 7-1. Fortson barely missed catching a touchdown pass on the last play of the game to be Miami (it had to be reviewed.) Greg Reed (our freshman DB) dropped an interception thrown right into his hands on BC’s last drive (where they got the game-winning touchdown). GT was a similar situation where they had to come from behind to win (and had to score 49 pts to get the W). The only game that was that close was a 17-7 against USF, where FSU fumbled 4-5 times, was suffering jet lag from the BYU game, and when Ponder’s mobility was limited b/c he was wearing a knee brace.
Despite the absence of a solid running game and any sort of defense at all, FSU is still 4-4 on the year and has some quality wins (at BYU, at UNC). The difference is Ponder. The lack of defense and running game make his achievements that much more amazing. We have to throw the ball just about every down (either b/c we’re behind or b/c we have no running game except Ponder scrambling, which makes our run statistics seem like we’re better than we actually are). Still, no one seems to be able to stop us. Sometimes we stop ourselves with penalties and fumbles, but no team has been able to stop Ponder all year. The only exception is the first half of the UNC game.
We do throw a lot of screens and short routes to make up for the OLs inability to run block. Because the OL is smaller, faster, and has great endurance, the do have the ability to block on screens really well. We also have big powerful receivers who also block well. UNC pretty much shut our offense down for the first half of the game because they covered the screens really well. Because UNC was so concerned about the screens, Jimbo made halftime adjustments and we killed them in the 2nd half with intermediate and deep routes. I would look for us to open up the Clemson game with a few screens and a lot of intermediate and deep routes (b/c that’s how we burned UNC’s D). Unless you guys are playing 5-6 DBs every down, I would also look for our TE (Reliford) and our RBs to have huge receiving games on intermediate routes.
I don’t know how you’re going to stop FSU’s offense. Blitzing and bringing the pressure might help. Rushing 4 guys will not get you to the quarterback. However, our RBs have shown some weakness in picking up blitzes. I wouldn’t be too concerned about Ponder running b/c he has bruised ribs. If y’all can get to him and hit his ribs, you might be able to throw his pinpoint accuracy off. Even though he only has 3 picks on the season (2 tipped balls against NCSt), he threw some dangerous passes in the NCSt game after his ribs were hurting.
The other thing, and probably the scariest thing, is crowd noise. We’re talking Death Valley at night, after your fans have been tailgating all damn day long. Ponder has three different plays he can run on any down, and he checks off after he comes to the line to read the D. If our guys can’t hear which play we’re running, it will be a long night for FSU. However, I fully expect that Jimbo will have implemented something to allow Ponder to be able to check the plays at the line without having to overcome the noise.
If our defense awakens from its season long hibernation—which is possible, but highly unlikely, it could be a long game for you. However, if ya’ll can hit Ponder in the ribs once or twice and are crazy loud, or if our guys start fumbling, FSU could easily get blown out. Clemson has played a tough schedule and hasn’t been smacked around by anyone. I think the FSU fans are hoping for a close game, with Ponder having a chance to win it, and that’s probably about the best we can hope for. I’m predicting that Spiller will have a 350+ yd game.
Hey, damn fine post.
I think we have to attack their LB’s in coverage and hope to break a tackle or two and go long.

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