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Home fan reaction: No it doesnt look like an eye-gouge, why are FSU fans bitching, because we beat their ass?

Opposing fan reaction: KILL HIM, LYNCH MOB!, DIRTY PLAYER, CLEMSON PLAYS DIRTY!

Don't say many of you wouldn't react the same way if another player did it to Clemson. The TNet crowd most certainly would.

My reaction to this is the same as for Brandon Spikes: he should be suspended indefinitely. Whether you think its an eye-gouge, an attempt at an eye-gouge, or trying to whiplash his neck, it still cant be tolerated.

Now, if you've watched enough football or played, you know this garbage happens in about a third of the games you play in a season. Coaches are lenient about it because they see the film, and the film shows just how much of it happens on both sides during a game, and the press doesnt get that game film or analyze it as closely if they do.

Many times this gets handled on the field, and as fans we dont get enough film to see if it did happen later in the game against a CU player, or if this was actually the retaliation against something they did earlier, but that doesnt excuse it (for either) when it comes to light.

Branch should be immediately suspended, if I'd noticed it earlier in our film review I would've posted it, but I didnt pay attention to the TNet videos.

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Interesting Take

I know most Clemson Fans don’t see it that way and think that Branch wasn’t doing anything wrong and the video is pretty inconclusive, but it still looked pretty dirty to me personally.

 I do know for a fact that Clemson Fans would be screaming for a suspension if the shoe was on the other foot.

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by HashMarks on Nov 10, 2009 8:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

My take

Does it happen a lot? yes.

Is it bad? yes

Is it a dirty play? hell yes, no doubt

Then again, I don’t really care. I don’t mind that our defense plays dirty from time to time, so long as 99% of the time we’re bringing the pain it’s a good, clean hit. I’d rather have this than a bunch of choir boys. And this happens all the time.

BUT….. Branch needs to be suspended. That’s just the reality of the situation. Regardless of how often it happens, once it’s caught on tape and blown up like this, there’s no other option.

by box125 on Nov 10, 2009 9:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

First Post...

DrB and FigureFour, I am finally here boys!!! Allow me to make my first comment on what seems to be a rather controversial subject.

Should Branch be suspended for grabbing a man’s helmet and pulling it back while fighting for a fumble? No more than a player should be suspended for tackling someone by their faskmask, i.e. the type that called for the “old” 15 yd penalty. I did not see any evidence of fingers going into the facemask. I think FSU fans have taken this thing and run with it because they are not playing up to par and may miss their first bowl game since the 70s. I understand that players should be disciplined, but a suspension is a little harsh, even though a precedent seems to have been set by the Spikes incident.

If our coaches do decide to suspend him, can we choose when we want to suspend him, i.e. Spurrier?? We won’t need him the first half of the USC game.

Until next time, ladies…

by CUPadge on Nov 10, 2009 9:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Branch Comments on the "alledged" eye gouge on Facebook

“Andre Branch For everyone who dont know i didnt eyegauge the player from Florida State, lets get that cleared up I was just caught up in the moment pulled his helmet and facemask my hand never went into the facemask for everyone that wants to no the truth 40”

by HashMarks on Nov 10, 2009 10:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad Branch saw the accusation and responded,

I’m waiting on Nigel Bradham’s response to the video Clemson fans are posting and b##ching about for his slinging CJ down out of bounds in the 4th quarter. He was clearly going out of bounds, there was no flag, and he was clearly trying to cripple CJ. But there is no video of that, Bradham wasn’t trying to hurt Spiller and Clemson fans aren’t whinning about it, so…

I saw Branch do that when I rewatched the game. He made a good play keeping Spurlock from getting at the fumble. Then he got all “extra-curricular” on him. I laughed when he got up and signalled Tiger ball. and then I saw the replay and understood Spurlock’s anger. Yes it was cheap, but an eye gouge? No. He did something that Brandon Maye has a bad habit of doing, grabbing a players helmet when he’s got him down (more unsportsman-like taunting) which is petty and rubbing it in, I wouldn’t condone it as a coach, and I would make sure he understood that that isn’t how you should play, but not suspend him. That stuff has a way of escalating more chippy play during a game.And you start getting chopped by the opposing O-line. Again Maye does crap like that more than anyone on the team, and gets grilled by the coaches to calm down.

I’ve got respect for Tomahawk nation (lurk over there like I do here). They are a cool set of fans, far more than any I ever ran into when I live in Tally. However it’s funny how some missed Spurlock jawing at the D line earlier before that play (but it’s not on Youtube like Branches actions.) Rewatch the game and it’s evident that the teams were going back and forth. Jarvis Jenkins swung a punch that got flagged, and rightfully so. There was some things going on in the trenches between the two teams (like most football games). But again Branch was rubbing it in, not trying to hurt the guy. If so, Spurlock would have done something about it. Heck, Trickett is his coach; my o-line coach from high school would have made us pay the next week in practice if we didn’t stand up for ourselves (the right way of course). And Trickett is a heck of a lot meaner than he was.

And I’d like to add, I remember the FSU defenses of old, taking knee shots at every qb they could (ask Joe Hamilton about his encounters with that defense). FSU intimidating opposing offenses especially after the quarterback pass releases (Peter Boulware taking two steps and hitting Nealon Greane after the ball was gone) and along the sidelines (well mostly two yards deep on the sidelines), with plenty of FSU fans bragging about “Mickey’s Defense’s” knocking qbs out of games. However, I didn’t whine about the other team. I wanted to see the team I cheered for fight back (legally of course) and not take that type of “sportsmanship” from anyone. FSU’s line did that by playing good on Saturday (real good: they are the real deal! I was impressed with them.) Now it seems some fans have a lil’ taste of the other side of football life.

I’m sorry they lost Ponder for the season ( I hate to see any player get hurt). Almost all of their fans would have hated to see any of our players have that happen to them as well. But they should be thankful that by his own choice Ponder got hurt legally, not knocked out because RIcky Sapp took a cue from the ghosts of FSU’s defenses of the past and practiced sub-marining into his knees on pass rushes. Hope Ponder get’s well, and hope the few whinners realize if Branch wanted to hurt Spurlock, he probably could with little effort.

by CTigers77 on Nov 10, 2009 10:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

They took some shots at QBs back in the day. FSU does not exactly have a stellar reputation.

I saw the late hits that you speak of and I could pull them out for youtube but I don’t see the need. We won the game, CJ wasnt hurt, and I don’t see the point in starting more arguments.

by DrB on Nov 10, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly, I figured you knew from where I came from, Dr. B.

This Clemson team is starting to showing the toughness and confidence that any fan can appreciate (like to see it more on the O-line, though). I’m not foolish to think Clemson is back, but the positives are outweighing the negative at this time. Clemson finally divorced & made their move away from the Bowden’s, and the drama that it involves. We are better off now, and in time we will find out if Dabo is the man. I liked the hire and at the same time understood the question marks surrounding his experience. Dabo would have to grow up on the job, but at least you know he owns the job and seems to have direction. Tommy seemed to be stuck at the “we’ve got the players”. Then he walked over, squatted down and started playing with the turf. No different than what Bobby does now at FSU, waiting for a victory, not working for it.

The fact is FSU is down, and only FSU can change that. The guys over at Tomahawk nation realize that, and are rightfully frustrated at their situation. I know I was frustrated back in the 90’s watching FSU clobber the Tigers over and over again while living no more than 2 miles from Doak Campbell. They will get past the drama once the stage is set. Bobby just has to depart, and let Jimbo Fisher start taking that team in the direction he wants to go. The offense is definitely getting there. That o-line keeps getting better each year under Trickett. Now their D just needs a leader (and to lose Chucky A.)

by CTigers77 on Nov 11, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Been a Die Hard Nole since birth in '83

From 2001-2005 it was a Wake up call that we have become just another average football team. From 06-present it has become a joke to me that Bowden can do whatever he wants here. I agree with you CTigers77 on Mickey’s Defenses of the past. They were just vicious, ask Danny Wuerffel, knocked down on EVERY play of the game. This has been the Weirdest year i have EVER seen as a Nole fan. From 2001-2006, The Lost-Son Era, Mickey’s Defense was the ONLY thing that kept us in games. We had NO Offense whatsoever, Now we have a Dangerous Offense and NO Defense.
 From the second Ponder threw the 1st int it looked to me like he was hurting more than anyone lead us to believe, if you throw a ball with bruised, cracked or broken ribs i garuntee it will be under thrown or float. I think this season is pretty much lost anyway so why not let Ponder heal and start EJ Manuel? If that were the case we would not be forced to start him for the remainder of the season.
 Sorry to ramble about my Noles guys, i know this is a Clemson Thread but mainly just wanted to reply to the Branch play. Dirty plays happen ALL the time. But with the gaytors Brandon Spikes eye-gouge still fresh in everyones minds it wasnt the best time to act out. Not to mention most of these occurances happen in the middle of a dogpile. This one just happen to be wide open for all to see.

Huked On Foniks Wurks Fer ME!!!!

by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 10, 2009 10:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,again I don't condone what he did

but it was more cheap than it was dirty. Spikes went all psycho on Ealy (sp?) at the Cocktail party. Branch seems to just grab his helmet, making what ever point he was intending to making, but I don’t think he was intentionally trying to hurt him. Just talking trash, however Spurlock was in a vunerable position (I know it would have ticked me off!). If Branch is punished for it, he only brought it upon himself. Just like I don’t see Bradham was trying to injure Spiller on that sideline tackle He was just frustrated that CJ kept getting out of bounds on the edge, depriving him from a chance to lay the wood on him.. Even C.J. was telling Dabo to let it go (Dabo was visibly pee’d and laying into the refs). Good luck to you guys the rest of the season, I will enjoy seeing what EJ can do in Jimbo’s offense.

by CTigers77 on Nov 11, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!!!

Wish you guys all the luck in the world to, just not when we play eachother… haha
i think its a good thing Spurlock didnt do anything back because other than a penalty on us it may have lead to something more. Damn Fuseball players and their testosterone…

Huked On Foniks Wurks Fer ME!!!!

by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 11, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Andrew Carter from the Orlando Sentinel just wrote about this subject. Heres a excerpt from that:

Will be interesting to see what fallout, if any, results from this. Of course, Florida linebacker Brandon Spikes was in the news a lot lately for a similar incident.

Asked about whatever might have happened between Branch and Spurlock, FSU offensive line coach Rick Trickett earlier tonight wouldn’t say too much. He did say that a bunch of things happen in those piles. And certainly, things like this get a lot more attention these days than they would have years ago, just simply because of the technological age we’re in.

Huked On Foniks Wurks Fer ME!!!!

by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 10, 2009 11:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The part that makes me think eye gouge

Is the right hand that seem to go inside the face mask near Spurlock’s right eye. Then there is this kind of pumping motion. Maybe it’s just my garnet and gold glasses playing tricks on me, but it really looks to me like the hand goes inside the face mask or at least tries to. Either way he should be suspended, it just looks to me like an eye gouge. Oh, and by no means will I say FSU has a team of choir boys either.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Nov 11, 2009 10:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dabo Swinney was alerted to the play in question Monday and did not impose discipline after looking at it from every angle he could.

Swinney also spoke with Branch, who said he was trying to hold Spurlock back from the loose ball. He told his coach he didn’t try to put his hands inside Spurlock’s helmet and gouge his eyes.

The play was forwarded to the ACC, which viewed the play and didn’t think it merited suspension.

This thing has been thoroughly reviewed by the folks in charge. Those folks have determined that no discipline is warranted.

by DrB on Nov 11, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, It's been reviewed and hopefully Spurlock was given his chance

to tell his side of the story as well. Branch should expect his actions on the field to scrutinized along with others for the rest of the year. If he is punished internally by the team, again, Branch knows it is all on him and will take the punishment. If later on he goes all Sergio Kindle and starts tapping quarterbacks in the jaw with his head like they were named Taylor Potts, ripping helmets off the heads of receivers like a Taylor Mays or does the “Tallahassee two step” (Boulware and Wadsworth were experts :) on opposing qbs after they released the ball, I will kindly join the movement to call for his banishment. He did something that was unnecessary and unsportsman-like just to rub in in Spurlock’s face (taunting). Neither Steele or Sweeney strike me as the type of coaches that condone that type of behavior.

The fact is what he did does not even compare to what Spikes was trying to do (injure a guy). And yes I have seen the “grabbing the face mask to keep a guy away from the fumble” type move in a football game before. It didn’t receive the pr push that this play on Saturday did. However, these same acts that have occurred in the past didn’t have the “Brandon Spikes, Da Thug” to compare it too, either. I just hope EVERY player on Every team in the ACC are made aware that cheap late hits on the sideline (FSU and BC), leading with helmet (Da U), crippling chop blocks (GaTech), leg whipping (VaTech), horse collar tackling (UNC) and face mask snatching (Clemson) will not be tolerated. The conference doesn’t need to resort to weekly SEC battle tactics.

by CTigers77 on Nov 11, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is my problem though

If he gets no type of disciplinary action, the conference is saying “even if we catch you on film doing something cheap, you won’t be punished.” I have no doubt that FSU does this kind of stuff too, and when it’s caught on camera I would call for them to be punished also. You have to send some sort of message on this stuff. Then and only then will some of these kids think twice about dong something like this, knowing that there are so many cameras around nowadays.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Nov 11, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that's the ACC for you...

No better than the SEC, and the teams in the conference are saddled with them and some of the sorry a## refs they employ. But again some are looking for a rookie coach to start setting the standards when the other more tenured coaches (Beamer, Bowden, Groh, etc.) have not for things that have happened like under their watch (and it has) that do not fall in the realm of fair play. The precedent is not there. Examples: 1) Randy Shannon does not suspend his linebacker for knocking out a Clemson player while leading with his helmet. Sharpton’s unsafe play did in fact hurt a player. And to top it off, he wasn’t the only player using that tactic in th same game (McCarthy did it as well). 2) Beamer claims illegal chop blocks by GaTech players in their game threatened his players well being. ACC agrees with some that were not called in game… . The Great Paul Johnson did not suspend nor publicly punish the players involved even though he is the same coach that took on the very topic addressing the concerns for those types of plays at the coaches clinic (ironic).

I’m not defending the player for what he did. And I’ll trust the coach will do what’s best for the situation to insure his players play the right way. When has a player been suspended for grabbing a face mask? If the Tigers were consistently showing a pattern of thuggery (trash talk is not being a thug, if that was the case Spurlock would fall in the same category) through out the whole season, I would say the coach has the responsibility to police that stuff and should. I am critical of maybe one guy on the D that get’s a little too wild at times. But the coaches keep an eye on him and repeatedly stay on his butt when he does the “stupid”. However, it isn’t Andre Branch. And he’s played quite a few snaps since he’s been here. This is the first time any fan has seen this from him.

If he had a reputation and was indeed guilty of dirty play before, I would think the FSU staff would have really pushed for some type of punishment and got it from Dabo. Maybe they did and it was shot down. Or maybe they saw it like some other observers have: a cheap play that was missed, noted, and not warranted with a suspension. Swinney has four other guys that can play the position now(not including Bowers) without Branch, so he isn’t being lenient to Branch because he wants to win out. Maybe Dabo saw the play, got to the bottom of it, and saw it for what it was.

by CTigers77 on Nov 11, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Playin' Football

Branch’s action are extreme but after the Spikes incident in the FL/GA game, it’s clear that going for a fumble and confusing, frustrating and distracting the opponent for that moment (including pain) is what is done to recover (or keep the opponent from recovering) a fumble. This has been confirmed by every Ex-player I’ve listened to on sports talk radio. The actions were done in response to a fumble. If you focus on the play BEFORE the fumble you will see that Branch jumped on the FSU player to stop him from going after the fumble or because he thought the player had the ball and he wanted to jar it loose. Either way, it’s football, not a dirty play. I’m sure it would have been a 15 yard technical if the Ref’s had seen it but why should they when they didn’t see any of the numerous late hits out of bounds that the FSU players were getting on Clemson.

by Tiger_Fan_I_am on Nov 11, 2009 4:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wah wah wah...

“Do the right thing, Dabo!” How pathetic that FSU bloggers have spent 2 days bitching about something that has absolutely no effect on their team in any way. How far they’ve fallen.

by box125 on Nov 11, 2009 6:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

How many times are you going to quote me?

My apologies for thinking Dabo was of sound character and integrity.

by Scalpemall on Nov 12, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

for completeness

Just to have this here.

“It’s not worth the time (to talk about it). Did you watch it? I’ve seen worse in my 10 and 11-year olds’ games,” said Swinney. "It’s football. It was a fumble. There’s no ill will towards anybody. It was a guy trying to dive and get the ball. He didn’t know where the ball was. There wasn’t an issue there at all.

“We do things with class here. If I thought it was anything of malice, certainly we would deal with it. There’s a lot of worse things that can happen in football games. There’s chop blocks, there’s violent facemasks and 15-yard penalties and guys don’t get ejected. Again, not worth more discussion.”

Asked about the ACC reviewing the video, Swinney confirmed that the conference had seen the footage.

“I talked to a pretty prominent official and he wouldn’t have even flagged it. He would have said, ‘Hey, keep your hands off the helmet,’ but it wouldn’t have been a flag.

“I think we’re a hypersensitive country. One little thing happens somewhere that was really not right and now all of a sudden? you start dissecting a football game, next thing you know you’re going to see a lot worse than that.”

as far as i’m concerned the discussion is closed

by DrB on Nov 12, 2009 1:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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